ZeusLion Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Hey Folks, So I'm playing in a local 1,000 tournament that's running over the course of May and June. Next up, I'll be playing one game each against Nids and Orks. No info on mission types. I know next to nothing about the players and their armies. I'm trying to put together a general anti-horde list to test out next Monday (May 16th) against both armies. I'm new to Grey Knights and run terminator heavy lists. I'm looking for your expert opinions, Brothers, on how best to beat back the foe with the forces available to me. I've got two lists put together so far that I've summarized below, along with a run down of the models I have available that aren't included in either army. Suggestions on which list to run, or on an alternate list (and I can switch army lists between games, so if you'd suggest something for Nids and something else for Orks, that'd be great!) would be much appreciated! List One: HQ: - Brother-Captain w/Orbital Strike Relay, MC Force Sword, Storm Bolter w/Psybolts, 2 Servo Skulls - Inqusitor Coteaz Troops: - 10-Terminator Squad w/2 Psilencers & Swords, 2 Falchions, 2 Hammers, 2 Halberds, 2 Swords, PsyBolts for the squad, run as Combat Squads = 16 SB rounds, 12 Psilincer shots - 5-Terminator Squad w/ Psycannon & Sword, 3 Halbreds, 1 Sword, Psybolts - 4 Psycannon, 8 SB Tactics: Castle the whole army, Force the horde to come to me while I try to blow holes in it. Brother Captain stays put and rains down death from above using the Orbital Relay (using the Servo Skulls to improve his accuracy for as long as they last). Coteaz is there for his Sanctuary power, which I hope will slow down the assault wave when it finally hits my front lines. List Two: HQ: - Brother-Captain w/Orbital Strike Relay, MC Force Sword, Storm Bolter w/Psybolts, 2 Servo Skulls - 220pts - Inqusitor Coteaz Troops: - 7-Terminator Squad w/ Psycannon & Sword, 3 Halbreds, 2 Sword, Psybolts - 6-Terminator Squad w/ Psycannon & Sword, 1 Halbreds, 1 Sword, 1 Falchion, 1 Hammer, Psybolts - 12 Member Warband - 10 w/Carapace Armour, 6 WAs with Hotshots, 3 w/Bolters, 1 w/Storm Bolter, 2 Heavy Bolter Servitors Tactics: Essentially the same, but this list gives me a little more diversity of fire power and a meat shield of Warrior Acolytes to keep out front to absorb the first wave to assaults. Other Forces Available: Lord Draigo, Librarian, 2 GKTs w/Incinerators, 1 Mystic, 1 Psyker, 1 Add'l Heavy Bolter Servitor, 2 Combat Servitors, 2 WAs w/Melta Guns, 1 WA w/flamer. 1 Add'l Servo Skull, 2 Land Raiders, 1 LR Crusader, 1 Dread w/Multimelta & Storm Bolter, 1 Dread with Plasma Cannon & Missile Launcher. Thoughts? Thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229668-1000-points-of-grey-knights-vs-nids-orks/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasoX Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 drop the psilencers, they are useless. i have played few times with the new dex with nids. you will need more firepower, incinerators and psycannons are great. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229668-1000-points-of-grey-knights-vs-nids-orks/#findComment-2756798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Heretic Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Whats Coteaz doing there, besides unlocking henchmen you aren't using? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229668-1000-points-of-grey-knights-vs-nids-orks/#findComment-2756814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crynn Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I'm sorry to say this however Terminators are one of the worst anti hoard units the grey knights have. Your brother captain is wasted find the points to turn him into a GM so you can give units reroll 1's to wound or counter attacks. split your 10 man termi unit into 2 5 man and put psycannons in them instead of psylancers then drop the other 5 man squad and replace it with a unit of purifiers with a mixture of halbards psycannons and falchion. Their cleansing flame will annihalte hoard. also with your grand master, try and find the points for psychotroke grenades, I cannot express how retarted they are. In short - BC to GM - 5 termies to Purifiers. Regards, Crynn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229668-1000-points-of-grey-knights-vs-nids-orks/#findComment-2756850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasoX Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 considering what models you got, i came up with this. its only around 900 pts, add something you like :D Librarian - 3 powers Ox inquisitor - power armour - psychotroke grenades - rad grenades Terminator squad - 5 extra terminator - 2 psycannon - 2 halberds - 2 hammers - psybolts Terminator squad - incinerator - 3 halberds - 2 falcions Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229668-1000-points-of-grey-knights-vs-nids-orks/#findComment-2756858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelis Mortis Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Orks and Nids are both likely to have huge mobs. So forget the Terminators and take Crowe and Purifiers. Cleansing Flame will really make a huge difference if you get nailed with a big mob. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229668-1000-points-of-grey-knights-vs-nids-orks/#findComment-2756872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crynn Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Orks and Nids are both likely to have huge mobs. So forget the Terminators and take Crowe and Purifiers. Cleansing Flame will really make a huge difference if you get nailed with a big mob. I'm presuming he doesn't have the models for this type of army, but surely he can muster up the models for one purifier squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229668-1000-points-of-grey-knights-vs-nids-orks/#findComment-2756878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibious Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Something that may get shunned quickly here, but against both armys you realy do want to try and Max out your psycannons. The standard swams will die in droves to well placed bolter fire. But unless you know that both opponents are pure playing swarm armys, you will have to prepare for Monsterous creatures and Truks. I see countering these support units with plenty of high strength shots (Ie psycannons) The rest of the army can be take piecemeal. -Gib- Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229668-1000-points-of-grey-knights-vs-nids-orks/#findComment-2757289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeusLion Posted May 13, 2011 Author Share Posted May 13, 2011 Thanks to everyone for your input! Re: Why Coteaz? - Cheapest way to get "Sanctuary" into the list. My thought is it will slow the inevitable assault wave, but perhaps it isn't worth it. Spend the points instead on an extra Terminator or two? Re: Purifiers - Having played two games against GK players with Purifiers, I agree that they're a great unit. That said, I spend my money on "cool-factor" units as much as anything else and on stuff I am confident I can paint well. I'm not a fan of the Purifiers fluff and I can't paint white to save my life, so I think they're probably out. I might look at a Strike Squad or Purgation Squad with Incinerators at some point. Re: Psycannons vs Psilincers: I've only got two models with Psycannons, but from the feedback here I may invest in a few more. I love the concept of the Psilincer, but unless I'm fighting daemons (and how often does that happen, really?) then they're just under-strength assault cannons. I'll see what I can do about beefing up my Psycannon numbers. Any thoughts on the Orbital Strike Relay? I figure it's a cheap way to take out at least a few (hopefully) of the horde before we get to close combat. Thanks again folks. I'll see what I can do about a batrep after this thing is all said and done. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229668-1000-points-of-grey-knights-vs-nids-orks/#findComment-2757619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabadin Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 My reccomendation for against nids, if you have to run terminators, find the points to throw a banner on at least 1 squad. Coming from experience against Tervigon lists, if you find yourself up against MC's or a warrior unit this thing is an absolute godsend, and the extra attacks doesn't hurt against horde units. The lack of FW status on the banner bearer isn't a huge issue against models with 6+ save. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229668-1000-points-of-grey-knights-vs-nids-orks/#findComment-2758065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 If you want Sanctuary trade your Brother Captain for a Librarian. If you're taking Coteaz just for Sanctuary then taking a Librarian instead saves about 75 points over the cost of the Brother Captain + Coteaz. If you want a henchman warband you can buy a naked Inquisitor for 25 points. Against horde armies you need numbers, as in numbers of guns. You want psycannon and storm bolters. You don't need falchions. Count all your non-special weapon acolytes as being armed with storm bolters. Trust me, you'll be glad you did. Agreed on the banner on one of your terminator squads. One ten man and one five man terminator squads. Give every five models 4 halberds, 1 daemon hammer, 1 psycannon. For my points. Librarian, sanctuary, might of titan, the shrouding, vortex of doom 170 Inquisitor 25 10 terminators, 8 halberds, 2 hammers, 2 psycannon, psybolts, brotherhood banner 505 5 terminators, 4 halberds, 1 hammer, 1 psycannon 225 10 Warrior Acolytes, 10 storm bolters 70 Total 995 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229668-1000-points-of-grey-knights-vs-nids-orks/#findComment-2758074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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