Redtoof Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 I was looking through the grey knight codex earlier, and I noticed that the librarian's powers work on 'friendly units' as opposed to just grey knights, and this got me thinking. How about sticking the librarian in with and inquisitor and his henchmen? Hammerhand+might of titan on a bunch of deathcult assassins seems pretty mean to me, and shrouding+sanctuary would certainly help out a non power armoured unit. He also gives them the benefit of atsknf, as well as the aegis. As an added bonus a mystic is cheaper than the librarian's teleport homer to combine with the summoning (and works on more untis). He is of course a little more vulnerable in this unit than, say, terminators or paladins, and he loses the deepstrike capability, but he could be ferried around in a chimera (or even a land raider, since the point you save on the henchmen over a grey knight squad will go a long way to paying for it) So has anyone tried this? Did it work? Or does it look like a silly idea? I'm not saying it will be better than librarian + paladins, just a different option. On paper though it does look to me like it has some merit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229822-librarian-henchmen/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3mpl@r Crusade Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 A few conversations about this have come up with inquisitors paired with 11 or so death cult assassins. Its super killy, and it works best off an assault ramp. The problem is that its too killy haha. not a whole lot is going to survive the ridiculous number of attacks that they will bring in close combat. It opens you up to being shot up quite a bit, regardless of shrouding. but hey, If you can maneuver into cover after you wipe a squad, it could work out nicely. Youll need a frag assault launcher though, they dont get nades :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229822-librarian-henchmen/#findComment-2759358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 I've actually begun thinking that the most efficient use of a Librarian is indeed with an assaulty henchman unit and not a GK unit. Though as T3mpl@r said, you don't want an uber-killy assault unit. At least, not a unit that is both uber-killy and incredibly fragile. I wouldn't bother with a mostly DCA unit (with or without an attached librarian) because it is so fragile yet so killy that it will inevitably be stranded after annihilating its initial target and then just get shot to pieces. But a more balanced and survivable assault unit? Sure! Attach a libby and go to town. Attach an Inquisitor with Hammerhand and a libby with Might of Titan and you can have Str 10 Banishers. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229822-librarian-henchmen/#findComment-2759672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormshrug Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 I think a really nasty pairing would be with Crusaders, who benefit hugely from +1S and Initiative bonuses (unlike DCAs, who are already at S5 and I6), but also have their 3++ when it comes time to take hits back. Or a mixed Crusader/DCA unit. -Stormshrug Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229822-librarian-henchmen/#findComment-2759682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crynn Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Works very well. The Lib is one of the most versatile units in the codex and shrouding extra important on hull down chimeras and henchmen in cover with low armour saves. With death cult assassins and a raider you should be able position your charge so that when you wip your opponent in combat you can get half your army into cover off consolodation and use stealth to actually give them a 3+ save. Even use your raider nd position it so after the charge you can use it for the cover, with a bit of practice it isn't that hard to do. Regards, Crynn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229822-librarian-henchmen/#findComment-2759706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 I was thinking about this today after I read the first post. Would a mix of DCA's, Crusaders be a good choice? Maybe add two or three warriors with meltas in case the need arises(dread gets too close). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229822-librarian-henchmen/#findComment-2759739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crynn Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 I was thinking about this today after I read the first post. Would a mix of DCA's, Crusaders be a good choice? Maybe add two or three warriors with meltas in case the need arises(dread gets too close). It would absolutely be good. If you wanted to add the melta vets they could bused as a last ditch attmpt to crack open a vehicle before they along with all the DCAs charge their occupants. It wouldn't be my first stratergy however I don't think it is still viable. Regards, Crynn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229822-librarian-henchmen/#findComment-2759790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3mpl@r Crusade Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 I would think a 5/5/2 crusader/deathcult/melta warrior would do really well. Have an inquisitor upgraded with hammerhand and the libbie there for might of titan. Depending on what your up against, it could be really powerful to have the libbie with quicksilver. just in case your up against a really fast squad of something that you need dead before they hit you. (not much of that is out there, but for 5pts heck yea insurance policy) libbie with warding staff, skulls and 2 powers: 210 inquisitor with hammerhand: 55 squad as mentioned: 178 Im almost thinking the inquisitor needs a demonhammer, in case dreadnought? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229822-librarian-henchmen/#findComment-2759823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crynn Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 I would think a 5/5/2 crusader/deathcult/melta warrior would do really well. Have an inquisitor upgraded with hammerhand and the libbie there for might of titan. Depending on what your up against, it could be really powerful to have the libbie with quicksilver. just in case your up against a really fast squad of something that you need dead before they hit you. (not much of that is out there, but for 5pts heck yea insurance policy) libbie with warding staff, skulls and 2 powers: 210 inquisitor with hammerhand: 55 squad as mentioned: 178 Im almost thinking the inquisitor needs a demonhammer, in case dreadnought? just the libby using hammer ahnds and might of titan puts the DCAs at str 6 s26 armor pen average role 13, they should have no trouble getting through with the amount of attacks they dish out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229822-librarian-henchmen/#findComment-2759835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3mpl@r Crusade Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 ooo right, forgot you get the extra D6 I guess running this list depends on how you want to transport it. I would personally either spam it into rhinos, or get 2 crusaders to thunder down the field and hwip some frag launchers into the crowd so a killer assault can happen Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229822-librarian-henchmen/#findComment-2759927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 I would think a 5/5/2 crusader/deathcult/melta warrior would do really well. With our without a libby, you really want to have Banishers toting eviscerators in every assault henchmen unit you build. Two banishers is about right because they only have 1 attack each. You need to get some hits in! And if you're taking warriors with guns, you want three of them. BS 3 is not reliable enough on just two models. Here's how I'd build such a unit out... 3 Warriors w/meltas, 2 Banishers w/Eviscerators, and then either 4 DCAs & 3 Crusaders or 3 DCAs and 4 Crusaders Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229822-librarian-henchmen/#findComment-2760266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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