Crowe to be faqd?

[Chengar Qordath]

To be honest, I'm not familiar witht he Ork dex. Wouldn't the Klaw wound ID him though?

Yeah, the Klaw is Instant Death if it gets through his invulnerable save, but there's still only around a 30% chance of a Nob managing to hit, wound, and get past the re-rollable 4++ in a given assault phase.

[veidin]

So you havent fielded him? What are you basing your "infinately better options" on then? It's not experience which leaves theory. You ASSUME he's not useful without actually knowing. The word for this is being naive. I fail to see any "crazy plans" by driving him up in a Razorback. You mention a Libby as a better HQ (which I love the Libby btw) however, how are you getting him into combat or utilizing his 150+ points? I assume you dont foot slog him since your issue with Crowe is that he'd just get shot up which would equally happen to a Libby.

 

That leaves Deep Strike, Storm Raven, Land Raider, or you run an Inquisitorial force and steal a Chimera (which is the same concept I mentioned about Crowe stealing a Razorback which you said was a "crazy plan") If you DS you run the risk of not coming in anytime soon unless you also run a GM/BC. Also our Libby's are more utility based not offensively based so this seems silly to not have him on the field as much as possible. If you run a LR or SR you have now spent at the very least 355 points on two models and that's with the Libby having no spells except Hammerhand and a vanilla SR with no squad attached to the Libby.

 

Again, I fail to see how you note the worth of a model that you admittedly wont "Waste your time on."

 

Well for starters I use things like... this message board to base my opinions by reading bat reps and viewing the opinions of those that have used him. Second I've seen him used several times and been unsurprised at his loss. Next, how can you even compare him to a libby??????? You can put a librarian in a squad. I think the thing you fail to grasp here is what a massive problem it is not to be able to attach him to a squad. Seriously, say your razorback thing works. They pop the razorback and now he's sitting there. The odds of a single squad of virtually anything killing him are good enough that hes not worth it. But something you're not allowing for is the fact that in your plans to use him you have to spend even more points to get him a transport. So now hes over 200 points. You don't make a bad unit better by investing in it. You make it better by choosing better options to start with. The overwhelming evidence with Crowe is that he isn't very good. You're one of the few people that would swear by him. I would wager that a year from now you will look back at this period with the dex and chuckle about it.

 

Just one question, would you not allow for the fact that he is the worst HQ in the dex?

 

Understandable, however, I also gave you 4 examples of battles where he's worked for me. You instantly assumed bad opponents. Why? Because you're biased and stubborn in your thoughts.

 

You compared him to a Libby first I simply answered your comparison.

 

Not being able to attach him to a squad. I understand this...by your train of thought Mephiston is a terrible HQ dont field him. You're wrong.

 

You're right pop the Razor and he could die. I can't argue this. However, let me also give a hypothetical situation. The Libby/squad transport blows up, you're squad of lets just say Strike Marines and Libby eat a Demolisher Cannon to the face and Libby fails his 5+ inv. I suppose by your judgement the Libby now is a useless HQ. Hypothetical situations mean nothing, because at that point in theory every model sucks because something in some army can counter each model.

 

I spend no extra points for a transport for him I dont know where you got that. MSU Crowe lists run lots of Razorbacks. I sacrifice nothing and your comment of him being 200 pts is in left field.

 

I've yet to see this overwhelming evidence of him being bad. I've seen overwhelming opinions such as from you that he's bad. If I tell you Njal is a terrible HQ would you believe me if I also told you I never used him? Of course not.

 

I dont swear by him I even said in my post I love the Libby. I'm simply trying to get you to understand that your opinions have no merit based on you have no experience. I enjoy him and he's proved worthwhile that's my opinion. If you want I can write up a battle rep too and watch as you tear it apart stating the opponent was bad simply because you won't admit you possibly misjudged something.

 

He's not the worst HQ. I have no idea where you think that. Show me a competitive list that utilizes a Brother Capt or a Brotherhood Champ. I'll show you a lot more that utilize Crowe.

[Crynn]

So you havent fielded him? What are you basing your "infinately better options" on then? It's not experience which leaves theory. You ASSUME he's not useful without actually knowing. The word for this is being naive. I fail to see any "crazy plans" by driving him up in a Razorback. You mention a Libby as a better HQ (which I love the Libby btw) however, how are you getting him into combat or utilizing his 150+ points? I assume you dont foot slog him since your issue with Crowe is that he'd just get shot up which would equally happen to a Libby.

 

That leaves Deep Strike, Storm Raven, Land Raider, or you run an Inquisitorial force and steal a Chimera (which is the same concept I mentioned about Crowe stealing a Razorback which you said was a "crazy plan") If you DS you run the risk of not coming in anytime soon unless you also run a GM/BC. Also our Libby's are more utility based not offensively based so this seems silly to not have him on the field as much as possible. If you run a LR or SR you have now spent at the very least 355 points on two models and that's with the Libby having no spells except Hammerhand and a vanilla SR with no squad attached to the Libby.

 

Again, I fail to see how you note the worth of a model that you admittedly wont "Waste your time on."

 

Well for starters I use things like... this message board to base my opinions by reading bat reps and viewing the opinions of those that have used him. Second I've seen him used several times and been unsurprised at his loss. Next, how can you even compare him to a libby??????? You can put a librarian in a squad. I think the thing you fail to grasp here is what a massive problem it is not to be able to attach him to a squad. Seriously, say your razorback thing works. They pop the razorback and now he's sitting there. The odds of a single squad of virtually anything killing him are good enough that hes not worth it. But something you're not allowing for is the fact that in your plans to use him you have to spend even more points to get him a transport. So now hes over 200 points. You don't make a bad unit better by investing in it. You make it better by choosing better options to start with. The overwhelming evidence with Crowe is that he isn't very good. You're one of the few people that would swear by him. I would wager that a year from now you will look back at this period with the dex and chuckle about it.

 

Just one question, would you not allow for the fact that he is the worst HQ in the dex?

 

Understandable, however, I also gave you 4 examples of battles where he's worked for me. You instantly assumed bad opponents. Why? Because you're biased and stubborn in your thoughts.

 

You compared him to a Libby first I simply answered your comparison.

 

Not being able to attach him to a squad. I understand this...by your train of thought Mephiston is a terrible HQ dont field him. You're wrong.

 

You're right pop the Razor and he could die. I can't argue this. However, let me also give a hypothetical situation. The Libby/squad transport blows up, you're squad of lets just say Strike Marines and Libby eat a Demolisher Cannon to the face and Libby fails his 5+ inv. I suppose by your judgement the Libby now is a useless HQ. Hypothetical situations mean nothing, because at that point in theory every model sucks because something in some army can counter each model.

 

I spend no extra points for a transport for him I dont know where you got that. MSU Crowe lists run lots of Razorbacks. I sacrifice nothing and your comment of him being 200 pts is in left field.

 

I've yet to see this overwhelming evidence of him being bad. I've seen overwhelming opinions such as from you that he's bad. If I tell you Njal is a terrible HQ would you believe me if I also told you I never used him? Of course not.

 

I dont swear by him I even said in my post I love the Libby. I'm simply trying to get you to understand that your opinions have no merit based on you have no experience. I enjoy him and he's proved worthwhile that's my opinion. If you want I can write up a battle rep too and watch as you tear it apart stating the opponent was bad simply because you won't admit you possibly misjudged something.

 

He's not the worst HQ. I have no idea where you think that. Show me a competitive list that utilizes a Brother Capt or a Brotherhood Champ. I'll show you a lot more that utilize Crowe.

 

I don't think his train of thought says Mephiston is crap at all. He says he cant join units and that's about where the similarities end. Mephiston can survive a round of shooting from almost anything in the game, a) he will always have cover if not be out of line of site and :P he is extremely fast and does not need to high jack a transport and can use that peed to avoid being shot. Mephiston will aslo mauls that ork boy squad and he'll maul anything that crowe would hill and much much much more. Crowe can use a psychic power to take things down however even if he tried this on Meph he would pass less than 40% of the time. Mephiston is a whole different kettle of fish. He doesn't get IDed by str 8+ weapons he is self contained and relies on nothing else to let him do his job, he may not make units troops however he comes with a psychic hood and can greatly effect opponents play style and deployment. He isn't the be all and end all of combat monsters however he is very usable in most games where as crowe fails at this.

 

A MASSIVE DISADVANTAGE to crowe that people haven't picked up on is any unit charging him gains fc and prefered enemy! That means if crowe is anywhere near your army, they can multi assault off him onto other units and use the buffs to slaughter your gks! think asault termies or even deamons doing this to you. He requires constant attention so that he doesnt give away a kill point by dying or negatively effect your own units.

 

Just take a GM and make 2 units of purifiers scoring, you'll want some strike knights for warp quake anyway, 10 of them is only 200 points and then you can have all the purifiers you like.

 

Regards,

 

Crynn

[Freman Bloodglaive]

Well I just bought Crowe, my last GW purchase from Maelstrom before they're no longer able to sell to New Zealand.

 

He's a bit rubbish I know, but his model is pretty good.

 

Really I only bought him to paint anyway.

[General Ravensong]

Actually, they did release a faq a couple days ago. Crowe is an Independent Character.

However, there's a brief notation at the bottom that reads he may only join Mephiston, Sanguinor, and Death Company Tycho.

[Crynn]

Actually, they did release a faq a couple days ago. Crowe is an Independent Character.

However, there's a brief notation at the bottom that reads he may only join Mephiston, Sanguinor, and Death Company Tycho.

 

Awesome I can put DC tycho and crowe together so crowe has to rage across the battlefield! My god I cannot possibly think of a better way to speand 325 points!