greatcrusade08 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 hi strangers.. been a long time since i posted here, but here was where i first started my B&C 'career' long long ago.. most of you know how batty i am over themes and ive been wondering for some time now if it was possible to make a death company only force, but make it competative. im not saying im going to collect them, but it may be a possibility now that most of my other projects are coming to completion... generally if it doesnt have a theme it doesnt hold my attention for long.. anyhoo from what i see (with my tiny experience with BA) is that astorath would be essential, but not owining the dex im not suite sure what he brings to the table... hes not an IC is he? ive been reliably informed that DC tycho is a waste as hes not an IC either and its difficult to use him correctly. i guess the best bet would be dual stormraven with DC dread with blood claws in each, a big unit of DC in each with chappy/lemartes.. can you take lemartes without the JP? i figure if you go 50/50 with bolter and BP/ccw on the DC you can take casualties from whichever 'group' is less essenatial for the mission.. against high 'I' daemons and nids for example the bolters might be more useful. i also figure you dont want to go too mad on upgrades.. do DC still have rending? so just for giggles how would you guys kit out a 1750 list to be as competative as possible? thanks all edit: i might theme it as flesh tearers gone mad and use Seth, just becuase hes an awesome model, any suggestions welcome Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229963-can-pure-dc-be-done/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
vharing Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 I made a list with Astorath, lemartes, and 4 other dc with JPs and PWs in a stormraven with TLMM, TLAC, hurricane bolters and XA. 1 squad of 9 DC with 2 PF, BPs and CS with a chaplain with PF in a drop pod. 1 squad of 9 DC with 2PFs and bolters with a chaplain in a drop pod. One DC dread with BTs in the stormraven. I tabled the space marine player I faced off against. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229963-can-pure-dc-be-done/#findComment-2761110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Astorath is an IC. He is of course the key to unlocking a pure DC army. I won a tourney with an army similar to the one you've suggested - no one was really prepared for it and I was able to table all three of my opponents - you're going to have to play very well and not make any major mistakes in any objective based missions so keep that in mind if you are planning to build a competitive army. G :o Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229963-can-pure-dc-be-done/#findComment-2761115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 i appreciate the tips.. im used to playing an unforgiving niche army, so this would be similar.. though i suspect the hitting power of DC is harder than SM scouts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229963-can-pure-dc-be-done/#findComment-2761116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 It is indeed ! :D G Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229963-can-pure-dc-be-done/#findComment-2761149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 i just did a quick google search, Dc are troops but cant score, that could indeed be interesting :D and lemartes is only available with JP, does that mean you have to take JP Dc to have him, or can you mix JP with footsloggers.. i know the stormravens can handle JPs. so astorath with Dc in one raven and lemartes with Dc in another.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229963-can-pure-dc-be-done/#findComment-2761152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 You can mix Lemartes with DC sans jump packs - he can't lose his though... Just takes an extra slot in the transport. G :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229963-can-pure-dc-be-done/#findComment-2761155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d@n Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Tabling your opponent is a legitimate way of winning. take a few basic scout units and have them sneak onto objective maybe a good idea though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229963-can-pure-dc-be-done/#findComment-2761164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 Tabking your opponent is a legitimate way of winning. take a few basic scout units and have them sneak onto objective maybe a good idea though. wheres the fun in that :D. a full Dc only army probably wouldnt have any scouts, but aslong as you kill the enemy troops choices you cant lose.. winning means tabling though as you said Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229963-can-pure-dc-be-done/#findComment-2761169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vharing Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 You can mix Lemartes with DC sans jump packs - he can't lose his though... Just takes an extra slot in the transport. G Only thing he could go in though is a stormraven. It is the only transport that allows JPs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229963-can-pure-dc-be-done/#findComment-2761176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 If I was looking at a DC list at 1750, I'd probably rock this: Astorath 10 DC - 2Fists, 1 PW 8 DC - 2 Fists, 1 PW Rhino 8 DC - 2 Fists Rhino 8 DC - 1 Fists Rhino 3 Attack Bikes - 2MM 3 Attack Bikes - 2MM Storm Raven - Armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229963-can-pure-dc-be-done/#findComment-2761234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 If I was looking at a DC list at 1750, I'd probably rock this: Astorath 10 DC - 2Fists, 1 PW 8 DC - 2 Fists, 1 PW Rhino 8 DC - 2 Fists Rhino 8 DC - 1 Fists Rhino 3 Attack Bikes - 2MM 3 Attack Bikes - 2MM Storm Raven - Armour. Depends how keen GC08 is to have only DC in his list. Might have to ditch the Attack Bikes. I guess the SR could be debatable too although personally I'd let it slide as it's a transport (although not a Dedicated Transport). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229963-can-pure-dc-be-done/#findComment-2761242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Depends how keen GC08 is to have only DC in his list. Might have to ditch the Attack Bikes. I guess the SR could be debatable too although personally I'd let it slide as it's a transport (although not a Dedicated Transport). For sure. The thing is though, a "pure", in the purest sense of the word, DC force has a few more issues than simply not being able to control rage and their inability to score. You need a bit of firesupport some how. But, some people are more about theme, so, will totally depend what he's going for as you said! edit: Also, its the best way to transport Astorath without paying idiot prices for Jump Packs! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229963-can-pure-dc-be-done/#findComment-2761256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 I like a 10 men relentless jump pack equipped bolter squad. I know its expensive and rage is a bit of a pest, but its a really interesting irritant that can still hold their own in a combat with S5, I5, 3+ and FNP. You can put out 20 S4 shots before 30 S5 attacks in close combat. When you need to annihilate to win you need more of everything. It's mobile and can DoA wherever you need them. The thing with BA is that everything cool is expensive. Astorath and 5 DC in a SR with a DC dread sounds well meaty. It should be for 750+ points! But you needn't restrict yourself to just DC units really. Any transport is fair game, a Librarian Dread if you wanted, or any librarian really, any vehicle - Astorath isn't as much of a raving loon so he'd see the sense in bringing along whatever unit you wanted to meet whatever threat you're facing. Give him a Sanguinary Guard bodyguard if you want. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229963-can-pure-dc-be-done/#findComment-2761277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Chris Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 I think the Attack Bikes are a bit bending the rules. DC can take the infernus pistol and the DC dread has a melta and it is fleet so they can get up to their targets quite quickly, with the same stats except range. If rules can be bent though (self imposed ones on force composition), Astorath attached to an SG unit, painted black with red crosses or in his flayed style armour, with a DC themed banner really would be an awesome sight. Holding objectives is going to be a problem though, and I can think of quite a few strategies to make the DC chase units around to keep them away from objective holding troops until it's too late. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229963-can-pure-dc-be-done/#findComment-2761331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 thanks for the input guys, much appreciated.. ive been speaking to 'venerable brother' from SoS im gunna try and spend some time with his codex this evening if i can.. im thinking his idea of 3 stormravens isnt too bad. at 1750 i should get something like this: astorath 8 Dc with 2PW 8 Dc with 2PW 5 Dc with Pw 3 Dc dreads, blood talons, heavy flamers 3 stormravens TLLC, TLMM, smoke launchers of course it will be cutting it close in points, ill take a look later.. any thoughts? should i stick to 2 units and take some JP DC seperately? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229963-can-pure-dc-be-done/#findComment-2761397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shatter Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Meph' Psycho Tycho 15 DC 3 DC dreads 3 SR A variant I considered. i don't have my book at the moment to expound on points, but that's the gist of it. You don't need Astorath for DC dreads. Another point, He's not a DC member himself. Like Mephiston isn't. Both Meph and Psycho Tycho can CC armour. Lots of models with Fleet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229963-can-pure-dc-be-done/#findComment-2761457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 My DC army had DC squads with jump packs riding in SR. One was lead by Astorath, the other by Lemartes. Both had DC dreads with talons. I had a third DC jump pack squad I would deep strike to use as a diversion. G :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229963-can-pure-dc-be-done/#findComment-2761500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 astorath 8 Dc with 2PW 8 Dc with 2PW 5 Dc with Pw 3 Dc dreads, blood talons, heavy flamers 3 stormravens TLLC, TLMM, smoke launchers Stormravens can't have smoke, sadly. I work that out to be: 1720 without jump packs 2035 with jump packs. If you add the jump packs then only the five man can ride in the ravens. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229963-can-pure-dc-be-done/#findComment-2761510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 I want to look at running 7 man squads with Elite Chaplains in Rhinos with 1 PW and 1 Hammer That comes to around 340pts a squad Plus Astorath at 220 with a Storm Raven at 215 and another squad of 7 with Hammer at 170 and a Blood Talon Dread to throw in it too for 125 That comes in at around 1750...... I'd possibly drop the squad sizes down to 6 men and add in Inferus Pistols to try deal with armour... Could work possibly. Still nigh on impossible to win consistently with though Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229963-can-pure-dc-be-done/#findComment-2761697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joasht Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 I'd imagine a really, really "pure" DC army would struggle in anything regarding capturing stuff, but if you wanted a potentially-competitive one I'd suggest playing 2 tiny Razorback squads of Tacts or Assault Marines to sit somewhere at the back of the board purely to capture things, then just loading up on normal jump pack-less DC. This way you don't utterly gimp yourself (because tabling isn't always an option....) while still taking advantage of the DC: cost-efficient, SHP-independant killing machines. SRs are great as mentioned, but I'd actually be tempted to, possibly, mix in a Land Raider Crusader in there simply to load it to the brim with one MASSIVE squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229963-can-pure-dc-be-done/#findComment-2761699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Nah taking objectives is cheating. haha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229963-can-pure-dc-be-done/#findComment-2761709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 It defeats the purpose. G Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/229963-can-pure-dc-be-done/#findComment-2761714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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