Decoy Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 As always, hail, my Wolfbrothers. The Fang, as I've been observing it, has mostly died down from the bandwagoneering we experienced in the near past. We're all becoming vastly more comfortable with our armies (except for the late-joiners, obviously). We're gettin' into the move'n'groove of the Wolves, we generally know how they operate, what certain units are best against, and what we should avoid. We've all played a few games here and there (unless you're me, but that's because I play like... seven games a day.) so we all have some vital experience under our belts. With that in mind, I have a proposal. I propose a Tactica. The Canis Ultimus. A designated Tactica written and compiled by the entirety of the Fang (volunteers, at any rate.) This Tactica would cover the primary and secondary Wolf responses to every single unit of every single army. Furthermore, the Tactica would not only offer up unit-based counters, but strategy-based counters as well, from simple things (using Cover against Tyranids to strike before them) to the more advanced techniques (HammArjac-ing a high-Initiative character to set him up for a Jaws attack), from Wolf troop deployments on foot to effective mechanized formations such as the R.S. Square. I hold no illusions, my brothers. What I propose is an undertaking so vast that I don't expect to see it fully complete, ever. By the time the Canis Ultimus catches up with the most current army update, another update will be released. The task in which we have devoted so much effort, so much time, will be rendered obsolete, and we will be resigned to once more begin again as time passes. I will not have any volunteers suffer the potential illusion of "finishing" this. If you sign on, expect your work to be over-written and rendered obsolete in the future. The Canis Ultimus will be the be-all, end-all of Wolf tactics and strategies. Pages of material devoted to one single unit of one particular enemy, and even that unit might be subdivided based on how it has been configured (I.E., Blood Angel R.A.S. with Meltas, or with Flamers, or with Plasma, simply for an analysis on their combat strengths.) Before I ask for volunteers, I want you to understand how massive this project is in it's entirety, and so that you understand the magnitude of what you're signing up for. If you're still with me, this is a post simply to gauge interest. If you are interested in contributing articles to the Canis Ultimus, to use your battle-tested wisdom and knowledge for the good of all Wolves, to stand up and take part in what (to my knowledge) may be the most vast, most complete, most absolutely legendary Tactica that the 40K world has ever known, I ask you to simply say so here. Sound off in a post below. If we get enough volunteers and enough overall work going on this, I'll throw a line or two to the Administrators about getting us a subforum so that we can more adequitely assemble and discuss (For instance: B&C>Space Wolves>Canis Ultimus>Dark Eldar>Wyches). In this way, we can be organized and efficient without crossing our fields of expertise. However, that is for the future, and us Wolves, we live for the now! Sound off, brothers. Who's with me on this precipice of the greatest Saga the 40K tactical world has ever seen? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230185-tactica-canis-ultimus/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Sounds like a great idea Decoy. I would gladly lend a hand. However I'm only a couple years into the game and don't get to play too often so I doubt I would be much help. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230185-tactica-canis-ultimus/#findComment-2764831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted May 20, 2011 Author Share Posted May 20, 2011 Sounds like a great idea Decoy. I would gladly lend a hand. However I'm only a couple years into the game and don't get to play too often so I doubt I would be much help. Time played is of no consideration, Schertenleib. The important aspect of this project is a complete and objective analysis of tactics. Even if you have only five games under your belt, those five games have provided you with experience in the field of battle, and said experience may very well be enough to turn the tide of battle to someone less experienced than you. While you may not be able to write up an entire article by your lonesome, that doesn't mean that you cannot contribute to the effort as a whole. I do want to stress that. The Canis Ultimus would be a project for everyone, whether they have a thousand games under their belt or only one. It will be peer-critiqued, altered and changed, and for the most part, it would never stay in the same shape for more than a day, I'd wager. In the future, I'd like to have dedicated specialists to head up the various Codexes (for instance, I would likely run D.E., simply because it's my most common opponent by a long shot), but such a thing is not necessary if the interest isn't there. Anyways, aye. The project is for everyone, even if you have only one game under your belt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230185-tactica-canis-ultimus/#findComment-2764839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
techmarine Azuris Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Im in as an ex ork player Im sure that'll come in handy :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230185-tactica-canis-ultimus/#findComment-2764882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Stromclaw Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 I haven't been playing long and don't get in games very often, but the tactics are the primary reason I'm in the hobby. There's a stack of papers in my house just full of theoretical lists, statistics, and tactics thereof. Sign me up brother. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230185-tactica-canis-ultimus/#findComment-2764897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Metuhs Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Ill help but i might not be able to help much but help all the same Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230185-tactica-canis-ultimus/#findComment-2764905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 stands up from his chair in the meadhall. "did yoy just say what i think you said decoy? do yo actually propose to write the codex astartes? i thought them ultra boys already had the end of all tactical tactica written by guillemen!" :lol: but it definetly sounds like a good idea. instead of discussing unit per unit(since already a lot of people, most importantly dark seer have done that it might be more interesting to concentrate of the tactics part, describing different reactions to many situations, like how to react on a horde nid list when fielding a mechanised list, and how about when you field a footslogging force, or a droppodding one etc :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230185-tactica-canis-ultimus/#findComment-2764964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
techmarine Azuris Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Maybe look at the different wolf list and how to integrate certain units? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230185-tactica-canis-ultimus/#findComment-2764994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Decoy, your vision has been shared. The runes will it so. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230185-tactica-canis-ultimus/#findComment-2764998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hear da Lamentation Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Sounds a great idea Decoy. I only really have experience facing 2 armies (Deathwing and Tyranids) but I'll be glad to offer any advice I can for combating those armies. Bound to be a fantastic learning experience as well Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230185-tactica-canis-ultimus/#findComment-2765000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Coming from one of shorter tooth, lacking facial hair and not being as stuck in my tried and tested ways. This sounds like a huge asset to myself and other sups wondering 'what if'. Obviously, I'll not be a contributer unless testing a theory raised and adding feedback but this sounds great. Less of a Tactica Wulfen and more of a 'how to beat the life out of everything and have fun doing it' Many Ales to Decoy and all future contributers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230185-tactica-canis-ultimus/#findComment-2765025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Definitely an epic undertaking. Sounds awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230185-tactica-canis-ultimus/#findComment-2765031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 im there lets doo this thing...woof Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230185-tactica-canis-ultimus/#findComment-2765067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjaco Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 In my short time I have faced Necrons (once), Tyranids (twice), Chaos Marines (eight or nine times), Orks (three times), Imp Guard (1), BA (2), DA (1), and vanilla marines (2). If I can offer any insights I will, although my biggest mistake is to tend to hold back and let the opponent commit to a course of action first and then try to counter. With some Chaos troops and definately Tnids that ends up making it too late. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230185-tactica-canis-ultimus/#findComment-2765086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKAwolf Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Im in. Id love to contribute to a 'dirty tricks' post or two. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230185-tactica-canis-ultimus/#findComment-2765139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric the Green Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Not sure how much I can contribute compared to those longer in the fang. But I'd be happy to throw in what I can. I have played a couple dozen games against tyranids, and have a rather large collection of necrons I'll be dusting off to either sell or play if they ever get a new book. So for what it's worth I'm in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230185-tactica-canis-ultimus/#findComment-2765393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted May 20, 2011 Author Share Posted May 20, 2011 To respond to damned near everyone in this post: Thank you for the voices of support. I've currently set up a post in the Suggestion forum petitioning the leaders of the B&C for a Canis Ultimus subforum here in the Fang. Right now, they are currently leaning to the side of having us just use the Tactica forum, but to be honest, I think this project is beyond the scale of an already-used subforum. However, whatever they decide, we will run with the best we can. To those of you shorter in the fang chiming in; Your advice, no matter -how- much you may think it insignificant, is valuable beyond recognition. I've played over a thousand games, but maybe only have twenty against Nids, and none against new Nids. I have vast experience, but my knowledge is still limited. In that instance, Eric, your experience is more valuable than mine. Everyone's knowledge, every Wolf player's experience, is vital to the success and "completion" of this endeavour. I'm waiting on word from the leaders of the B&C before we proceed, but one way or another, this project will go forward, and we -will- make the best, the biggest, the most comprehensive Wolf guide known to the entire game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230185-tactica-canis-ultimus/#findComment-2765404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firenze Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 As a long standing guard and tau player, I can lend a wee hand. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230185-tactica-canis-ultimus/#findComment-2765423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 I see my self benefiting from such a forum greatly. As a newer player, and one who plays the same damned (literally) Chaos Space Marine army more times than he can count, I can offer up a limited amount of personal lore. Either way, I will use the living hell out of such a collection of information that the Canis Ultimus will offer up!! End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230185-tactica-canis-ultimus/#findComment-2765445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Stromclaw Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Since everyone else is pointing out why they're helpful, I might as well too. While my primary foes have been Tau and Orks, I have dallied with pretty much every codex. Didn't always get in a game and when I did it was only one or two with proxied models, but I've seen and have access to almost everyone's rules. I hope that'll be helpful. Thank you for the voices of support. I've currently set up a post in the Suggestion forum petitioning the leaders of the B&C for a Canis Ultimus subforum here in the Fang. Right now, they are currently leaning to the side of having us just use the Tactica forum, but to be honest, I think this project is beyond the scale of an already-used subforum. However, whatever they decide, we will run with the best we can. I suggest pointing out that they gave us the Codex: 13th Company Project subforum and that this will be used at least as much, probably more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230185-tactica-canis-ultimus/#findComment-2765475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Maybe Lupus Ultimus is a better title, if you think about it. I hope I'm not barking up the wrong tree.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230185-tactica-canis-ultimus/#findComment-2765476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 Maybe Lupus Ultimus is a better title, if you think about it.I hope I'm not barking up the wrong tree.... From a taxonomic point of view maybe but I prefer the genus name for this undertaking. And nice joke, for a Templar I'd love to write pieces on the Claws as it seems they are undervalued. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230185-tactica-canis-ultimus/#findComment-2765511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted May 21, 2011 Author Share Posted May 21, 2011 Excellent to hear some of the Fang's bigger names will be on board. As a status update, I've got the basic outline of the enemy Codex breakdown, as well as what I'd like to see in enemy Unit selections as well. Once we get a yea or nay from the Admins, we can proceed forward utilizing whatever tools they give us. At that point, we'll break down the structure of the Canis Ultimus into bite-sized chunks for people to volunteer/sign up for. However, being the Wolf I am, I'm going out drinking for a bit. I'll be back in... oh... I don't know... A few hours. Ish. Maybe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230185-tactica-canis-ultimus/#findComment-2765525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Crazywolf Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 Count me in as well. Limited experience on the tabletop, but devil's advocate and the like i am good for. Also not opposed to playtesting some ideas. My regular opponent has Nids, Orks, and BA, and since we play friendly proxies are generally not a problem. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230185-tactica-canis-ultimus/#findComment-2765556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 Aye, you can count me in aswell brother! Limited experience tabletop wise, but it's been mostly against the accursed Thousand Sons and Necrons if I can offer any help in those areas. Also I spend alot of time away from the game reading up on tactics and formulating my own in my head so I can offer some ramblings aswell. Either way, sounds like a great idea brother! :devil: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230185-tactica-canis-ultimus/#findComment-2765608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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