TheDVoid Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Sons of russ, I require your assistance. Can you explain the Mark of the wolfen to me? As I think my opponant who plays Space Wolves is trying to fool me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230476-mark-of-the-wolfen/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Try searching for mark of the wulfen. Basics though. Attacks become D6+1 rending and cannot be combined with any weapon bonuses (extra weapon for example). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230476-mark-of-the-wolfen/#findComment-2768979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarapham Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Though assaulting gives +1 as normal, so would be d6+2 rending when assaulting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230476-mark-of-the-wolfen/#findComment-2769012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Just out of interest. What was your opponents version and did he have his Codex to hand? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230476-mark-of-the-wolfen/#findComment-2769017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donutzot Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Try searching for mark of the wulfen. Basics though. Attacks become D6+1 rending and cannot be combined with any weapon bonuses (extra weapon for example). or you give it to a skyclaw then you have D6+3 attacks on the charge Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230476-mark-of-the-wolfen/#findComment-2769124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niiai Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Or mess around with ragnar who gives a random amount of attacks on top of the random from mark of the wulfen. If the frozen winds are blowing, a mark of the wolfen may apear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230476-mark-of-the-wolfen/#findComment-2769259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Finale Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Try searching for mark of the wulfen. Basics though. Attacks become D6+1 rending and cannot be combined with any weapon bonuses (extra weapon for example). or you give it to a skyclaw then you have D6+3 attacks on the charge Ragnar + 10 Grey Hunters with Mark of Wolfen + Wolf Guard with Mark of Wolfen Charging out of a Land Raider Redeemer = 1 + D3 + D6 + 2 + D3 + D6 Rending attacks Between 7 - 21 Rending Attacks at WS4 S5 I5 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230476-mark-of-the-wolfen/#findComment-2769271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Try searching for mark of the wulfen. Basics though. Attacks become D6+1 rending and cannot be combined with any weapon bonuses (extra weapon for example). or you give it to a skyclaw then you have D6+3 attacks on the charge Ragnar + 10 Grey Hunters with Mark of Wolfen + Wolf Guard with Mark of Wolfen Charging out of a Land Raider Redeemer = 1 + D3 + D6 + 2 + D3 + D6 Rending attacks Between 7 - 21 Rending Attacks at WS4 S5 I5 Both more and less - Ragnar and the GHs don't have rending and get : 32 - 52 non-rending attacks (note: Ragnar has a Frost weapon so with Furious Charge his hits are at S6 / I6) The GH and WG with Mark add : 6 - 20 rending attacks (only one of the GH models has the Mark) All at S5 / I5 due to Furious Charge (except Blackmane). That's not a moon, that's a space station! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230476-mark-of-the-wolfen/#findComment-2769282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitzkrieg861 Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 This isn't accurate... Mark of Wulfen gives you D6+1 attacks. The only thing that can make this bigger is assaulting. Assaulting with Mark of Wulfen gives you the following: Mark (D6+1 attacks) + Assaulting (+1 attack) = D6 + 2 attacks Mark (D6+1 attacks) + Assaulting with Ragnar (+D3 attacks) = D6+1+D3 attacks That's it. End of the road. You can't get any more attacks than that with Mark of the Wulfen. If your buddy did any more than that, he cheated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230476-mark-of-the-wolfen/#findComment-2769328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Finale Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Try searching for mark of the wulfen. Basics though. Attacks become D6+1 rending and cannot be combined with any weapon bonuses (extra weapon for example). or you give it to a skyclaw then you have D6+3 attacks on the charge Ragnar + 10 Grey Hunters with Mark of Wolfen + Wolf Guard with Mark of Wolfen Charging out of a Land Raider Redeemer = 1 + D3 + D6 + 2 + D3 + D6 Rending attacks Between 7 - 21 Rending Attacks at WS4 S5 I5 Both more and less - Ragnar and the GHs don't have rending and get : 32 - 52 non-rending attacks (note: Ragnar has a Frost weapon so with Furious Charge his hits are at S6 / I6) The GH and WG with Mark add : 6 - 20 rending attacks (only one of the GH models has the Mark) All at S5 / I5 due to Furious Charge (except Blackmane). That's not a moon, that's a space station! :) I wasn't counting the non rending attacks. Just the 1 GH and 1 WG that do have mark of wolfen but you are correct that it's 6-20 (forgot that WG 2 attacks is replaced by 1 + d6) EDIT: This isn't accurate... Mark of Wulfen gives you D6+1 attacks. The only thing that can make this bigger is assaulting. Assaulting with Mark of Wulfen gives you the following: Mark (D6+1 attacks) + Assaulting (+1 attack) = D6 + 2 attacks Mark (D6+1 attacks) + Assaulting with Ragnar (+D3 attacks) = D6+1+D3 attacks That's it. End of the road. You can't get any more attacks than that with Mark of the Wulfen. If your buddy did any more than that, he cheated. Actually, you can. Mark (D6 + 1 attacks) + Assaulting with Ragnar (+D3 attacks) + Logan's Living Legend (+1 attack) = D6 + 1 + D3 + 1 attacks :P So Ragnar + Logan's Living Legend + GH w/ MotW + WG w/ MotW = 2x (D6 + 1 + D3 + 1) attacks = 8 - 22 rending attacks from one GH and one WG (Edit: at S5, I5. Ouch) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230476-mark-of-the-wolfen/#findComment-2769352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 EDIT: This isn't accurate... Mark of Wulfen gives you D6+1 attacks. The only thing that can make this bigger is assaulting. Assaulting with Mark of Wulfen gives you the following: Mark (D6+1 attacks) + Assaulting (+1 attack) = D6 + 2 attacks Mark (D6+1 attacks) + Assaulting with Ragnar (+D3 attacks) = D6+1+D3 attacks That's it. End of the road. You can't get any more attacks than that with Mark of the Wulfen. If your buddy did any more than that, he cheated. Actually, you can. Mark (D6 + 1 attacks) + Assaulting with Ragnar (+D3 attacks) + Logan's Living Legend (+1 attack) = D6 + 1 + D3 + 1 attacks :) So Ragnar + Logan's Living Legend + GH w/ MotW + WG w/ MotW = 2x (D6 + 1 + D3 + 1) attacks = 8 - 22 rending attacks from one GH and one WG (Edit: at S5, I5. Ouch) Throw in a Preferred Enemy re-rolls to-hit, a Wolf Standard to re-roll any ones on the # of attack dice and call it a Cuisinart... :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230476-mark-of-the-wolfen/#findComment-2769430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDVoid Posted May 24, 2011 Author Share Posted May 24, 2011 He had blackmane, logan and the guy who had a battle leader (I think that's what they are called) with mark of the wolfen and saga of the warrior born in a squad of GH which had a guy with mark of the wolfen as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230476-mark-of-the-wolfen/#findComment-2769539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 He had blackmane, logan and the guy who had a battle leader (I think that's what they are called) with mark of the wolfen and saga of the warrior born in a squad of GH which had a guy with mark of the wolfen as well. Did your opponent have a long beard too. Thats one seriously overloaded squad. Three HQs in one unit! How many points were you playing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230476-mark-of-the-wolfen/#findComment-2769557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 He had blackmane, logan and the guy who had a battle leader (I think that's what they are called) with mark of the wolfen and saga of the warrior born in a squad of GH which had a guy with mark of the wolfen as well. By Russ's beard that's alot of nasty attacks for one squad! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230476-mark-of-the-wolfen/#findComment-2769558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Finale Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Be glad he didn't add a WG with MotW as well. 3 models with MotW in one unit? That's 12-33 rending attacks just from those 3 models! Logan gives them preferred enemy for hit rerolls and banner rerolls 1s. Nasty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230476-mark-of-the-wolfen/#findComment-2769644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Didn't see the list beforehand? Guess the pack was in a Raider too. Should've been your primary Target to take out being such a pricey unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230476-mark-of-the-wolfen/#findComment-2769652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDVoid Posted May 25, 2011 Author Share Posted May 25, 2011 We were playing three thousand points and it was my primary target to destroy. Now here is where I am struggleing to understand, I get how such a visious amount Of attacks can be allowed in a single unit however his battle leader who had mark Of the wolfen and saga of the warrior born also had a power weapon. Now from what has been explained to me on here so far he already cheeted using Power weapon rules for his mark of the wolfen attacks. But with the bonus attacks Generated by having saga of the warrior born, logan and blackmane does mark of The wolfen mean those attacks are done following the effects of no wargear bonus Or not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230476-mark-of-the-wolfen/#findComment-2769864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 We were playing three thousand points and it was my primary target to destroy.Now here is where I am struggleing to understand, I get how such a visious amount Of attacks can be allowed in a single unit however his battle leader who had mark Of the wolfen and saga of the warrior born also had a power weapon. Now from what has been explained to me on here so far he already cheeted using Power weapon rules for his mark of the wolfen attacks. But with the bonus attacks Generated by having saga of the warrior born, logan and blackmane does mark of The wolfen mean those attacks are done following the effects of no wargear bonus Or not. A model with the Mark may not use wargear to bolster their attacks. No power weapons ignoring armor, no second CCW giving bonus attacks, nothing. The additional attacks generated by Warrior Born, Logan, Ragnar, charging, etc are done with the Marked models rending rule also and may not benefit from wargear either. It sounds like he cheated you. Sorry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230476-mark-of-the-wolfen/#findComment-2769879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Yup, sounds like you need to have a chat with our not so honourable Wolf Brother there mate. Hope it gets straightened out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230476-mark-of-the-wolfen/#findComment-2769960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
postal105 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 burn the heretic ;) :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230476-mark-of-the-wolfen/#findComment-2769972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDVoid Posted May 25, 2011 Author Share Posted May 25, 2011 Thank you brothers, sounds like its time for my inner Templar to come out For some smashy time. It is time to suffer not the traitor to live and purge Them with flame! Best way to win one over on him cheeting, beat it (without cheeting) Time for some Templar fun, and we shall see who has the last laugh When his rediculous amount of attacks meet with Sword Brethren with storm shields with Emperors champion, accept any challenge, meltas and Chargeing out of a crusader. And if that don't kill them, they can be squisheed Before the power of the Honerable Brother Vio, currently intered within a Venerable. Brothers, one way or another my Templars WILL purge the unclean. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230476-mark-of-the-wolfen/#findComment-2770028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 By burn the unclean, I hope your referring to the cheat and no the Wolves of war! To be honest, he seems like a power gamer putting that many points in one pack so take it out first. Also, let him put the PW on his MotW WGBL and the point out he can't use it (description is in the wargear section in the SW codex). Good luck too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230476-mark-of-the-wolfen/#findComment-2770053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDVoid Posted May 25, 2011 Author Share Posted May 25, 2011 By burn the unclean, I hope your referring to the cheat and no the Wolves of war! To be honest, he seems like a power gamer putting that many points in one pack so take it out first. Also, let him put the PW on his MotW WGBL and the point out he can't use it (description is in the wargear section in the SW codex). Good luck too. Naturally I mean the cheat and not the rest of the honourable sons of Russ. Good idea, cheers man, it'll be like slapping him round the face with his own Codex. Righteous! Thank you all for your assistance, Fight hard Brothers, may your fangs grow Long and your blades strike true. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230476-mark-of-the-wolfen/#findComment-2770124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Stromclaw Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Hehehe... I like this Templar, he's got spirit. You're always welcome around the Fang, laddie, and be sure to let us know if you beat the bloody cheater. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230476-mark-of-the-wolfen/#findComment-2770336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac the knife Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Sounds like one of our infamous "lost companies" has walked to the 13th stone. Good luck and happy hunting. =D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230476-mark-of-the-wolfen/#findComment-2770343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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