Abaddonshand Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Page 61 of WD June, "against horde armies...take falchions for +1 attack per model." Now I know they've made rule mistakes in WD before, and not to take it as gospel, but unfortunately this seems to be at least some indication of the way it will go :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230837-falchions-resolved-by-june-white-dwarf/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abaddonshand Posted May 29, 2011 Author Share Posted May 29, 2011 Actually, having read further into the article and noticed numerous other rules and editin mistakes, it may well indicate the opposite of what I said above. Mods please delete this thread if possible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230837-falchions-resolved-by-june-white-dwarf/#findComment-2775010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Aye, and 2 lines later they give falchions a 2+ invulnerable save... So much for rules clarity in WD. :) But yeah, I think Falchions are probably about 90% certainty going for +1 attack if the final FAQ does come out (all hints have pointed in that direction at least). Which is somewhat sad, as it makes 'em about as useful as Psilencers. :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230837-falchions-resolved-by-june-white-dwarf/#findComment-2775011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Valerius Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 I dunno, Ward says they give +1A and a 2++, which is pretty damn useful. :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230837-falchions-resolved-by-june-white-dwarf/#findComment-2775106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oiad Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Hah, if the FAQ comes out with that then not only will everyone start to stock up on falchions but it really will make the stave more useless! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230837-falchions-resolved-by-june-white-dwarf/#findComment-2775145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gil galed Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 I dunno, Ward says they give +1A and a 2++, which is pretty damn useful. :tu: wait... where does it say it's 2++? ~Gil :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230837-falchions-resolved-by-june-white-dwarf/#findComment-2775158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bl00d bath76 Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Falcons are +2 attacks. Its quiet clear in the rules and from what i have been hearing i have yet to find a reliable source which says its to be +1. And anyway falcons are still trash if they are +2. If they were +3 i might consider it but 1+ or 2+ no way! Must prefer my halberds Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230837-falchions-resolved-by-june-white-dwarf/#findComment-2775178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 I've already stated all this in the consolidated FAQ thread, but hey it bears repeating: "...which you can then allocate to the Grey Knight with falchions, who has a 2+ invulnerable save." It's in the paragraph immediately following the one that "clarifies" for +1A. In other words, both are complete bunk and can't be trusted until an official line comes out in an errata or FAQ. Nothings been resolved yet. For now though, I'll gladly take them for +1A and a 2+ invulnerable save (not even just in close combat). Certainly makes warding staves look like a waste of time ^_^. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230837-falchions-resolved-by-june-white-dwarf/#findComment-2775187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 I've got lots of converting to do now... Oh boy. G :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230837-falchions-resolved-by-june-white-dwarf/#findComment-2775254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Valerius Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 For now though, I'll gladly take them for +1A and a 2+ invulnerable save (not even just in close combat). Certainly makes warding staves look like a waste of time :D. I know, right? Best upgrade in the codex! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230837-falchions-resolved-by-june-white-dwarf/#findComment-2775408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Toddius Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 I seriously doubt falchions will grant +1 A 2++. That is beyond broken. I can see the +2 A because of RAW, but geebus 2++ on GK's in HtH? You've got to be joking. With that logic the Great Sword on the DreadKnight should grant 4++... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230837-falchions-resolved-by-june-white-dwarf/#findComment-2775412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 I seriously doubt falchions will grant +1 A 2++. That is beyond broken. I can see the +2 A because of RAW, but geebus 2++ on GK's in HtH? You've got to be joking. With that logic the Great Sword on the DreadKnight should grant 4++... Someone took the joke post seriously... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230837-falchions-resolved-by-june-white-dwarf/#findComment-2775413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 It may be your copy of the White Dwarf. Mine specifically identifies the warding stave who gets the 2+ invulnerable. Given that the article writer is Mat Ward, writer of the Codex, I think that +1 attacks for falchions is confirmed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230837-falchions-resolved-by-june-white-dwarf/#findComment-2775414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Toddius Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 I seriously doubt falchions will grant +1 A 2++. That is beyond broken. I can see the +2 A because of RAW, but geebus 2++ on GK's in HtH? You've got to be joking. With that logic the Great Sword on the DreadKnight should grant 4++... Someone took the joke post seriously... I was simply commenting that it would be mad to allow that. Not that I took it seriously. do i need to end all my posts with a smiley face or something? :) there ya go... lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230837-falchions-resolved-by-june-white-dwarf/#findComment-2775418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 I seriously doubt falchions will grant +1 A 2++. That is beyond broken. I can see the +2 A because of RAW, but geebus 2++ on GK's in HtH? You've got to be joking. With that logic the Great Sword on the DreadKnight should grant 4++... Someone took the joke post seriously... I was simply commenting that it would be mad to allow that. Not that I took it seriously. do i need to end all my posts with a smiley face or something? :) there ya go... lol Much to my dismay, deadpan humor really doesn't work so well over the internet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230837-falchions-resolved-by-june-white-dwarf/#findComment-2775446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 indeed, I'm still waiting for sarcasm tags :) This doesn't resolve anything, as usual, there are still 2 camps over it and that wont change until we get a faq, and only if its actually answered in the faq heh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230837-falchions-resolved-by-june-white-dwarf/#findComment-2775454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Well.... Hear me out on this! :devil: We all know a Nemesis Force Sword gives a +1 to Invulnerable Saves in CC. What if, as suggested, the +1A for using a Pair of Falcions in the Dex is actually the same +1A for using two weapons. But... As 'Falcions' are a type of 'Sword', and you're using *two* of them, they both give you a +1 to your Invulnerable save in CC? So a GKGM with an Iron Halo and a Pair of Falcions would have +1A for using two special CCWs, and also have a 2++ save in Close Combat? :tu: (j/k) Personally, I wouldn't give the article any credence what so ever. Just like not using your Force Wepaon when facing a nid MC becuse you used Hammerhand to Wound. Or the other guff about Crowe. Where's our FAQ already? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230837-falchions-resolved-by-june-white-dwarf/#findComment-2775499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamsight Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 @ Gentlemanloser Pure genius but as we all know pig will fly first Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230837-falchions-resolved-by-june-white-dwarf/#findComment-2775641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 I like deadpan humor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230837-falchions-resolved-by-june-white-dwarf/#findComment-2775684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nian Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Let us all be honest here however. Even if the article was perfect queens english with not a single erroneous rule or error, If it was done by matt ward then he will retcon everything he ever wrote. I believe the reason for that is that matt ward's literature is unique in that he produces it by eating several dozen cans of alphabet spaghetti and diarrheaing out whole sentences. Thus he can never produce the same work again and must retcon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230837-falchions-resolved-by-june-white-dwarf/#findComment-2775860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Valerius Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Well.... Hear me out on this! :) We all know a Nemesis Force Sword gives a +1 to Invulnerable Saves in CC. What if, as suggested, the +1A for using a Pair of Falcions in the Dex is actually the same +1A for using two weapons. But... As 'Falcions' are a type of 'Sword', and you're using *two* of them, they both give you a +1 to your Invulnerable save in CC? So a GKGM with an Iron Halo and a Pair of Falcions would have +1A for using two special CCWs, and also have a 2++ save in Close Combat? I like your ideas, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230837-falchions-resolved-by-june-white-dwarf/#findComment-2776821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 i heard a rumour that GW are very close to releasing an FAQ, apparently m Ward has held his hands up and admitted his errors in rule wording and they are rushing to get it fixed Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230837-falchions-resolved-by-june-white-dwarf/#findComment-2776897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Oh my, that would be awesome! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230837-falchions-resolved-by-june-white-dwarf/#findComment-2776952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Oh my, that would be awesome! ;) Getting a proper FAQ would be nice. My recent attempt to run GKs in a local tournament had some less than enjoyable moments due to several rules discussions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230837-falchions-resolved-by-june-white-dwarf/#findComment-2776962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 hey If falchions counted as[as in for rules] 2 nemezis force swords and gave a cumulative +1to inv save bonus each [droping a iron halo dude to +2inv] , many people could live with the fact that they are +1A only . But lols aside , WD since they removed Q&A is not a good source for rules . Anyone who remember the 3 different versions of BA dex will know why. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230837-falchions-resolved-by-june-white-dwarf/#findComment-2777111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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