Crynn Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 So I am seriously thinking of starting a sculpted range of minis for all the ones that GW F up or don't produce because I am sick of single sculpt blister models like the new gortesques with only one realtively static model. I have been refining my sculpting skills for a while and I would like to think I am getting reasonably good. I'm looking to get an idea of who or how many people would consider buying a 3rd party sculpt, obviously presuming it was a good sculpt. With a grotesque for example maybe a set of 3 different bodies, legs and heads, a few weapon assorments posing options and maybe priced around the equivilant of 2 grotesques for the 3 with all their weapon and bits options and a very good cast quality? This as aposed to the single model with little to no posing ability and almost no customization. What models, would you like to see sculpted that are not in the current range, or what models would you like to see re-sculpted? I am frustrated for wolves players with no thunder cav sisters of battle (though I expect them to come out soon) no poseable storm troopers and dark eldar players with half of their models in metal (now finecast), and personaly I think the grotesque looks rather average. So what would you guys like to see or consider purchasing? Obviously in this forum I am looking at marine models 'or bits'. Regards, Crynn PS: I put this in the work in progress thread becasue if there is interest I will post some previous sculpts and a personal one I am currently working on. Then I will start sculpting the models and look to all of you for feedback in regards to the sculpts and pieces so that you actually have a say in the look of the models you want! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mek Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I think it's a great idea (barring any IP conflicts). As you mentioned earlier, thunder cav would be great. I think the current Abaddon model is way too dinky for how cool he is and Mephiston suffers from the same problem. If there were some decent sculpts for those two from FW or a third party, I'd be interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HvitrValdyr Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Logan Grimnar and Ragnar Blackmane need more dynamic models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybrus Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 To paraphrase Jay and silent Bob strike back. " GW GONNA SUE SOMEBODY!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Although I think this has some interest for me, I must point you to the perils of IP infringement. To that end the whole kerfuffle surrounding Chapterhouse Studios is a reasonable case in point. :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crynn Posted May 31, 2011 Author Share Posted May 31, 2011 Although I think this has some interest for me, I must point you to the perils of IP infringement. To that end the whole kerfuffle surrounding Chapterhouse Studios is a reasonable case in point. :angry: Yes these are definately things that I have to work around. However wasn't the problem with chapter house that they used the actual names GW uses for their models and bits? Look at scibors miniatures. clearly marines but different enough to not cause IP problems. Please though if you have any details please fill me in. Regards, Crynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master of fact Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Just do It! lol New abaddon, new dark eldar, the list goes on. Just remember you could sculpt conversion parts for already existing kits, which would save time. I can sculpt the odd thing but would love to do whole figures! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly_bear Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Captain Cortez "the imortal" Personally I think every named captain should get a model or atleast the bigger names in other chapters....I suppose seeing a pack to make a Iron hands chapter master/captain would be pretty awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crynn Posted May 31, 2011 Author Share Posted May 31, 2011 So far you guys are really just after special characters it seems. In which case I'm more likely to do a special character upgrade kit with meph's sword, iconic heads and a few chapter specif breast plates though I don't think i'm allowed to reproduce their symbol, does anyone have info on that? Also special power fists, chainswords, and things of the like. I feel like most of these special characters are easily converted, is there really much of a market for this? I was expecting to hear things along the lines of inquisitorial henchmen, space marine bike command squad, many models other than marines such as ogryns, grotesques, wraithguard, beast master and beasts, fiends, things of that nature. Feel free to suggest non marine units guys. This is a serious project and if there is support a very good chance of it going ahead. I will also be looking for input on the scupts. Anyway keep iot up guys! Regards, Crynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juicy kaboose Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I'd buy well sculpted heads with decent expressions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulblight Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Well, from my point of view its all about the marines! And in special, the IC's.. A updated Dante, Mephiston and Cassius. Or a specialised hammer for the dude in the SW codex (dont have the codex and are a little unsure about whats his name is). And yeah, heads and weapons would sell fine i think. Oh, and sanguine priest blood chalises! Right now we have to make due with Cobulo and apothecarys arms.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Mojonir Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Old school style terminator shoulder pad bits for the new terminators (different angle of curve, and they joined in a point at the bottom, with curves where the flats are... errr just look at the old metal termies and you will see). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathar the great Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 To be honest, pretty much anything people listed in this topic is already available through MicroArt, Scibor and the like. You'd have to come up with a line of truly unique and new stuff and it will have to be either at top quality or really really cheap if you want any chance to compete with existing companies. I'm not really getting the feeling that you are actually aware of what you are planning here, regarding the amount of time, work and money you would have to invest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly_bear Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 To be honest, pretty much anything people listed in this topic is already available through MicroArt, Scibor and the like. You'd have to come up with a line of truly unique and new stuff and it will have to be either at top quality or really really cheap if you want any chance to compete with existing companies. I'm not really getting the feeling that you are actually aware of what you are planning here, regarding the amount of time, work and money you would have to invest. @ catger the great: This is all true comment....but top notch if you pull it off and do well....hope you do...as I hate seeing people fail with a dream/goal that they can achieve. Would you mind PM'ing me the links to these sites you've mentioned so I may have a look. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crynn Posted June 1, 2011 Author Share Posted June 1, 2011 To be honest, pretty much anything people listed in this topic is already available through MicroArt, Scibor and the like. You'd have to come up with a line of truly unique and new stuff and it will have to be either at top quality or really really cheap if you want any chance to compete with existing companies. I'm not really getting the feeling that you are actually aware of what you are planning here, regarding the amount of time, work and money you would have to invest. I am well aware of what it takes to produce these models, pieces, sprues and I am well aware of the other companies and their ranges. I myself am a regular buyer of scibor bits however his are only press mold work and there is only so far that will go, not to mention all of his power armor bits are over sized and are not directly interchangable with marines. the normal marine sholders fit terminators and thats about it, heads are far to big. As for micro art studio, the sculpt quality on many of the pieces is very poor, uneven, lacking detail and generally just ugly. They have a few good things on offer and a whole lot of bad. Kromlech are fantastic, very crisp and clean, I feel they lead the way with much of their work and I would be looking to mimic their quality. Production costs are not actually that expensive. It requires some capital but as you can tell, I am trying to work out what people are really after so that if I have to get 100 sprues or models done at a time it is worth the investment. I currently do commision work and I feel my time would be better spent making miniatures and pieces I could re use. Yes it takes 300 hours to sculpt a model, however I am more than willing to put in the time if there is a market for it. GW IP infringment is my biggest concern. Anyway guys thanks heaps for the info so far. I will start showing some of my work if we get another page of ideas then I will start a pole based on the ideas given on what models/sprues/pieces you would like to see first. Regards Crynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popkhorne Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 ive always wanted to see someone elses take on a new night lords conversion kit... ...i mean unless you couldnt tell by my profile picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathar the great Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Fair enough then. To be honest, I've just grown a bit wary concerning people on the internet. You don't give your age on your personal page (which I always read as under 15), you have never posted anything in the PC&A and you kinda opened your thread in the wrong forum. But if you actually know what you are getting into, more power to you ^^ What I personally would like to see (and don't know any other company that does this) are generic Dreadnought sized longer legs, arms and armor plates to make Pre-Heresy Dreadnoughts. With the new Dreadknight there might be less demand for that, but it would still be a cool thing to have. Some Steam-punk styled bits would also be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crynn Posted June 1, 2011 Author Share Posted June 1, 2011 Fair enough then. To be honest, I've just grown a bit wary concerning people on the internet. You don't give your age on your personal page (which I always read as under 15), you have never posted anything in the PC&A and you kinda opened your thread in the wrong forum. But if you actually know what you are getting into, more power to you ^^ What I personally would like to see (and don't know any other company that does this) are generic Dreadnought sized longer legs, arms and armor plates to make Pre-Heresy Dreadnoughts. With the new Dreadknight there might be less demand for that, but it would still be a cool thing to have. Some Steam-punk styled bits would also be interesting. Fantastic post! In regards to conversion parts being used in direct conjunction with GW kits that i actually do not know the boundaries of, however anything to turn a dread into something that looks a little more capable of walking I agree with I just don't know if i can copy thweir artwork and make a model out of it to sell. What you said is correct in regards to not posting much in these forums however this is because I find internet feedback in those types of threads (what do you think of my model...) is relatively useless as no matter what level your model is you recieve "it's fantastic, show us more and keep up the good work" when what i want is seriosu constructive critisizm. So for now give me the benefit of the doubt that I am able to produce something of reasonable qulity and If the thread reaches a third page and there is some interest I will show some of my work. Mid twenties for your other question mate. Anyway please keep the posts up guys! I don't care if the idea has been mentioned before I still want to hear it because then I can gauge the demand! Regards, Crynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naysmith Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I think this Idea is great. You should consider to create models that no other 3d Party offers yet, just to have unique position for the start. I really would like to see a set of poseable Wraithguard. Id love to build a Iyande Ghostarmy but not at the GW cost and posing. cya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathar the great Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Just realized I used "to be honest" in two consecutive posts. Makes me look like a douche big time, lawl. I understand what you are saying about the kind of feedback you get in most forums. I always try to go the extra mile and actually post something helpful and constructive, but that takes time and effort people either don't have or don't want to go through. Anyway. I wouldn't worry about the compability with GW kits. If you take a look at some Ork parts of other companies, you'll see that they are often directly made for the GW Orks and it would actually be hard to combine them with any other kit. So as long as there are no official icons or markings on the "Generic SciFi Mech Legs/Arms", it shouldn't be a problem. Some other things I haven't seen done by other companies: - Conversion parts for Scouts. Yes there are some helmets you can use, but nothing dedicated to them. I bet a power-fist that fits Scouts would sell well - Replacement tank tracks for Chaos vehicles. Many chaos players are not happy with having an Imperial Eagle on their Chaos Land Raiders.h - prettier claws. The design we have now, with the huge fist and claws attached doesn't represent the actual rules very well Things that have been done but we can't have enough options: - Dynamic legs for Marines. Other companies have got away with it, I guess you could, too. The standard Marine "kick me where it hurts" stance is horrible. I personally could never have enough running, walking or jumping poses to work with. - Helmets. Can't go wrong with cool new helmet designs. Maybe something to represent technologically advanced Marine Chapters like Mentors or Iron Hands. Some thoughts, might add more later. Keep up the good work :tu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Hey dude, as far as infringing GW IP goes, it seems the major no-no is using their terminology (Blood Angel this, Dark Angel that), as long as you sculpt EVERYTHING and dont use their names you should be ok, but GW have details up on their website somewhere. As far as what people want, the Horus Heresy is fairly popular at the moment, and besides FW's older Mk armours, there's no GW minis available. Some readily available (and I'm not talking about treasure hunting on eBay) Custodians, Sisters of Silence and a big ask, Primarchs, hell an Emperor too, would be cool. Basically anything GW doesn't make, that has demand. Like jetbikes or a true scale conversion kit. Cheers, Jono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathar the great Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 true scale conversion kit. Now that is interesting. Though I'm not sure what this would look like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsuro Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 true scale conversion kit. Now that is interesting. Though I'm not sure what this would look like? Pretty much new everything except the head, hands and weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Yeh, that's what I was thinking, torso, legs, pads and both normal and jump-packs. And as an after thought, how about chapter symbols that are molded to the shape of said enlarged pads so you don't need to by sets of pads, but rather sets of symbols? Cheers, Jono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathar the great Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 So basically an upscaled Space Marine that looks exactly like a GW Space Marine but by another company? Never going to happen. You can take a look at Scibor, whose generic Sci-Fi warriors are pretty much the same scale as a true-scale Marine. But a set that similar to GW Marines won't get past the development stage before GW is ringing at their door. And in all fairness, true-scale Marines based on Terminators are really easy to do. You have a ton of exising tutorials for pretty much every way to do them and they usually only require some very basic Green Stuff work, if any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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