ChaptermasterDemon7 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 hey, im doing a DIY chapter to the BA's called the Blood Guardians, i know my signature says Blood Guard, but im going to changed it after i get done with this post. ill give some background to this chapter and there ways of combat and recriutment and all the other things in this post. :confused: The Beginning The Blood Guardians have a family based Chapter Master( they had many sons throughout the family so they all were recruited, trialed as the rest of the recriuts were and then selected based on if they passed or not) and they started on Ryza, till it was obliterated by the combin strenght of the Thousand Sons, Night Lords, Word Bears and Death Guard in a combined attempt to wipe the Blood Guardians out due to who they are successor to, the Blood Angels. they then moved onwards to Attila, where they have claimed this as there home planet, since it is a feral world, and have grown signifigantly since then. they have fought on countless planets, even though they have not been recorded, and have fought against the Orks on Cirillo Prime and have also liberated Corinthe from the Emperor Son's Chaos warband. they also have worked closely with the Black Templars and the Space Wolves on Balor, Kar Duniash and many other planets fighting Orks, Chaos Marines, Eldar and many other xenos to ride the Imperium of there kind they are currently on Attila, resupplying from there campagin in the Ultima Segmentum sector, fighting the Eldar on Hexos. C&C are welcomed and any suggestions or ideas are welcomed as well EDIT: i have picked the 23rd founding but i am struggling with the why. i got this so far: a High Lord of Terra had a vision from the Emperor that...... and that is all i got. anysuggestions? also, the planet, which is unamed and unterrianified, has been decieded that its people will be barbaric and drink the blood of animals and humans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231092-blood-guardians/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roma Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 While it is nice you spent so much time writing out all those seargents, nobody is likely to read more than 2 of them because the list of names is just daunting. less about seargents, more about chapter! Good luck. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231092-blood-guardians/#findComment-2778898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaptermasterDemon7 Posted June 1, 2011 Author Share Posted June 1, 2011 ok i can do that and i just copied and pasted the sergeants names from my word doucment actully Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231092-blood-guardians/#findComment-2778899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roma Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I mean you still had to write them out in word. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231092-blood-guardians/#findComment-2778901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaptermasterDemon7 Posted June 1, 2011 Author Share Posted June 1, 2011 yea i know, but i had plenty of time on my hands to do it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231092-blood-guardians/#findComment-2778906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soddinnutter Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Name dropping like a boss Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231092-blood-guardians/#findComment-2778951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaptermasterDemon7 Posted June 1, 2011 Author Share Posted June 1, 2011 ok then.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231092-blood-guardians/#findComment-2778961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaptermasterDemon7 Posted June 1, 2011 Author Share Posted June 1, 2011 i had just finished readin the guide to DIYing and i realized that i left abunch of stuff out so ill start right here. The reason why the Blood Guardians were created was that Dante realized that the Blood Angels were expanding at a rapid rate and they needed to lower there rate so he apointed a sergeant, Dejonus Valar, to make a new chapter and so he went off and made the Bloog Guardians on Ryza, this was before it was destroyed by the Night Lords, Thousand Sons, Word Bearers and Death Guard. they do not follow the Codex Astartes because they believe it hinders them in delevering the rightouses judgement of the Emperor to the ones who want to ride the Imperium of all human life. there Combat Doctrine is based off there expiernce fighting the Orks on mulitpile planets and they also base it off how they take the fighting styles from the people of Attila, where the recruit from, and combine it with there own to make a unique fighting style which consists of have the Tactical Squads going in, supported by Dreadnoughts and Devastators, flanked by Assualt squads and the then have the Predators rove around, makin sure the enemy does not do any flank attacks, and they also have either combat squads or a samll devastator squad to help them out. they also have Whirlwinds set up so they can rain down punishment on the enemies of the Emperor. the Tactical Squads either go on foot or ride in Razorbacks or Rhinos to take them to the fight. the Chapter Master rides in a Land Raider Crusader with his Terminator Honor Guard. the Captains of the compaines either ride in a Razorback or ride of a bike to get to the fight quickly. there beliefs are that they need to interact with the humans on there plant to earn there trust and respect of them so they can know that they will protect them. the also believe that anywhere that help is needed, they will be there to help them. there recruitment is a combination of sword work and bolter work and spiritual evaluation and to see if they are ready to join the ranks of the Blood Guardians. they are currently working with the apothecarium to try and figure out the Black Rage and Red Thirst, but they have not found a cure yet. they know who there gene-seed comes from and who there primach is and they honor him as if they wre with him in battle and were his original sons. C&C is welcomed, if its harsh its alright, it helps me figure out my DIY Chapter Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231092-blood-guardians/#findComment-2779005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaplainMathreyn Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 O.k....A few things that jumped out at me... First pleaz chex ur speeling... It's hard to read when it's bad... Ow ow ow ow... The reason why the Blood Guardians were created was that Dante realized that the Blood Angels were expanding at a rapid rate and they needed to lower there rate so he apointed a sergeant, Dejonus Valar, to make a new chapter and so he went off and made the Bloog Guardians on Ryza, this was before it was destroyed by the Night Lords, Thousand Sons, Word Bearers and Death Guard. This premise is abit ridiculous... Firstly, 99% of Chapters aren't founded like that... The High Lords of Terra, in the Emperor's name, create a general 'Founding'... The total number of Foundings there has been, escapes me at the moment.. I Believe 26... Or 25... A Space Marine Captain/Chapter Lord/Head Honcho/Guy With Fanciest Armor, whatever, can't just go around, creating Chapters... And no, they weren't created on Ryza... It is a forge-world... The Mechanicus has100 foot robots of mass destruction called Titans and millions of unthinking, techno-infused soldiers to defend it... No. Chapters are found on harsh and unforgiving worlds. Ice worlds, worlds covered in perpetual darkness, or lava, or where war between tribes or cities predominates... Space Marines don't recruit clerks... They recruit only the toughest of individuals into their ranks...Only. they do not follow the Codex Astartes because they believe it hinders them in delevering the rightouses judgement of the Emperor to the ones who want to ride the Imperium of all human life. The Codex isn't a play-by-play book on 'How to Fight For Dummies' sort of thing... It is like Sun-Tzu's The Art of War... It gives generic commentary like, use cover, flank, speed is your friend, sloth your enemy... It also probably gives a few tactical pointers on the major enemies of Mankind as well... 'Be ever vigilant when fighting the Eldar, for they know only trickery and deceit'. Plus... EVERY Chapter wants to deliever righteous death onto EVERY enemy of Mankind... It isn't an exclusive idea... Now, the Method of bringing death to the enemies of the Emperor might change, but not that idea. there beliefs are that they need to interact with the humans on there plant to earn there trust and respect of them so they can know that they will protect them. the also believe that anywhere that help is needed, they will be there to help them. there recruitment is a combination of sword work and bolter work and spiritual evaluation and to see if they are ready to join the ranks of the Blood Guardians. they are currently working with the apothecarium to try and figure out the Black Rage and Red Thirst, but they have not found a cure yet. The idea behind an IA is to determine Why of all these things... Why did they develop this apparent love for the humans of the Imperium... Don't forget, You aren't human... Even remotely... You're more of a genetic freak-killing machine, then human, without anything Remotelyrelatabletothe "Average Joe" of an Imperial world... "Man, my beets aren't growing... I butchered 500 mutants with my bare hands." Nothing, relatable. It's not a bad idea, and can, very easily, be done, but Why... Why does swordwork play so predominantly? You're a death-machine. You are trained to use and excel with Everything... If it kills, you can use it. Do they prefer long-range firefights over close-in sword brawls? Or vice-versa? Is it a trait carried over from their population of the world they recruit from? Also, if they Are recruited from the Blood Angels, they ARE going to suffer terribly from copious amounts of blood drinkage, and random insanity striking their members... I'm sure they're trying to find something to slow it's effects, but there is no cure, so to speak. How do they cope with that much blood, and those crazy Brethren in the meantime? And what kind of "spiritual evaluation"? The Space Marines aren't, necessarily, religious... Not in the sense that the Ecclesiarchy preaches, at least... So what does This play? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231092-blood-guardians/#findComment-2779037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Also, it helps when you add things, edit it into your original post so its easier to look for. Also, don't feel threatened by everyones Criticisms, if they didn't care they wouldn't be saying anything. They are just trying to help you write it effectively to everyones tastes. My first IA was terrible, and I got some bad stuff for it, but ultimately it helped and I write some decent ones now. In other words, don't give up. In fact, in my first IA, I made my chapter a Blood Angel successor pretty much the same way, but I quickly changed those methods. Just remember, the start is always the hardest, but we all enjoy a good read, and I am at least looking forward to reading this ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231092-blood-guardians/#findComment-2779051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorridgeMeister Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I apologise in advance for this, but there are several flaws I would like to point out about what you have done so far: - I suggest you read the following: Ryza, Attila and Blood Angels gene-curse. In the case of the two planets, you cannot contravene existing canon on such a large scale. As for the Black Rage and the - "The reason why the Blood Guardians were created was that Dante realized that the Blood Angels were expanding at a rapid rate and they needed to lower there rate" This is not a legitimate reason for a Chapter to be formed. - "he apointed a sergeant, Dejonus Valar, to make a new chapter and so he went off and made the Bloog Guardians on Ryza, this was before it was destroyed by the Night Lords, Thousand Sons, Word Bearers and Death Guard." Chapters are not formed in such a casual fashion; it takes years for them to be formed and a mere Sergeant would not be responsible for such a task. - "The Blood Guardians have a family based Chapter Master( they had many sons throughout the family so they all were recruited, trialed as the rest of the recriuts were and then selected based on if they passed or not)" I see no point to this statement in the IA, and how can there be a family when the first Chapter Master was a marine before the origin of the Chapter? - Your format and choice of words is a tad informal when writing an IA article. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ EDIT: Basically what Telanicus and ChaplainMathreyn said. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231092-blood-guardians/#findComment-2779061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantonWC Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Hello I will add in my two pence. The reason why the Blood Guardians were created was that Dante realized that the Blood Angels were expanding at a rapid rate and they needed to lower there rate so he apointed a sergeant, Dejonus Valar, to make a new chapter and so he went off and made the Bloog Guardians on Ryza, this was before it was destroyed by the Night Lords, Thousand Sons, Word Bearers and Death Guard. As stated by others, this is not how Chapters are formed. Only the Emperor, speaking through the High Lords, can commission new Chapters. A Chapter Master may not form a new Chapter of his own initiative. Ryza is a Forge World, and it is considered bad taste to try to take a Forge World as a home world. Furthermore, Ryza as far as we know still exists, so don't mess around with canon. Why do all these Chaos Legions want to destroy this Chapter? Why don't they just go after the Blood Angels themselves? they do not follow the Codex Astartes because they believe it hinders them in delevering the rightouses judgement of the Emperor to the ones who want to ride the Imperium of all human life. The Blood Angels themselves are Codex-adherent. And this is completely flying in the face of 95% of Chapters who obey the Codex and do not suffer from any apparent issues. CWC Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231092-blood-guardians/#findComment-2779289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaptermasterDemon7 Posted June 2, 2011 Author Share Posted June 2, 2011 thanks everyone for writing in and commenting on what i have written so far. @ChaplainMathreyn, thanks for telling me i need to work on my spelling. i will work on that and i will also correct the things i need to correct. also, do u have any suggestions on how i would go about getting the Blood Guardians created and which planet they pick as there own chapter planet? @Telanicus, thanks for the post and encouragement, i will keep this going and try to do better than these first two posts have been. @PorridgeMeister, thanks for the suggestions and i will read about the the gene-seed curse, Ryza and Attila as you have suggested. what would be a better way, as i have asked ChaplainMathreyn, for the Blood Guardians to be created and which planet for them to settle on as their chapter planet? Also, can you explain how to write a IA? @CantonWC, thanks for the comment on what i have written so far. could you tell me a better way to say that they are Codex-adherent than the way i said it? as i stated previously, i thank you for posting and commenting on what i have done. it really helps me understand on how i should do this and learn from others who have wisdom on this subject than i do. -ChaptermasterDemon7 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231092-blood-guardians/#findComment-2779634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantonWC Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 @ChaplainMathreyn, thanks for telling me i need to work on my spelling. i will work on that and i will also correct the things i need to correct. also, do u have any suggestions on how i would go about getting the Blood Guardians created and which planet they pick as there own chapter planet? @Telanicus, thanks for the post and encouragement, i will keep this going and try to do better than these first two posts have been. @PorridgeMeister, thanks for the suggestions and i will read about the the gene-seed curse, Ryza and Attila as you have suggested. what would be a better way, as i have asked ChaplainMathreyn, for the Blood Guardians to be created and which planet for them to settle on as their chapter planet? Also, can you explain how to write a IA? @CantonWC, thanks for the comment on what i have written so far. could you tell me a better way to say that they are Codex-adherent than the way i said it? Just have them created the normal way. Part of a Founding, have them created to defend or bolster defenses in a certain area or to keep watch in a certain area. The conventional wisdom holds that BA successors would be more prevalent in earlier Foundings, because as time goes on knowledge of the Flaw becomes more widespread, making BA gene-seed less suitable in favor of the more stable Ultramarines and Imperial Fists gene-stock. Typically it is up to the Chapter to select a home world based on the suitability of the population. Often writers will have their Chapter claim a home world after rescuing it in a battle against heretics/xenos/what have you, although this may be verging on cliche. ... Just say they're codex-adherent. If they're descended from Blood Angels or a BA successor, then those habits will carry over. 95% of the time, deviations from the Codex appear to be purely organizational in nature, based on justifications that I personally find flimsy more often than not. Believe me, I've tried once or twice with my own Chapter (still unfinished); there is honestly nothing wrong with Guilliman's standard organization. You would need a really, really good reason to deviate from the Codex beyond what is typical (Death Company). Tactically, I really don't see how it is possible to deviate from the Codex, since it is quite encompassing and has only become more encompassing since Guilliman first penned it 10,000 years ago. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231092-blood-guardians/#findComment-2779892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaptermasterDemon7 Posted June 2, 2011 Author Share Posted June 2, 2011 ill try that CWC when i rewrite this up on paper before i post it on here. thanks for commenting and telling me how to better do this! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231092-blood-guardians/#findComment-2779901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaplainMathreyn Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Indeed, try to run it through a spell check,as well... It doesn't need to be, like, essay quality,you're not being graded on sentence structure, and heavens know, I make tons of mistakes, too... It's just easier... Also, when you do update your Chapter, edit your First post, that way people who want to comment, don't have to scroll down through 20 comments,either... It happens from time to time, and that'll make critiquing much easier when I don't have to search and ask "Is this new?", "Is this old?", either... @CantonWC... Indeed... I don't think when "Codex Divergent" is mentioned, it is in regards to actual tactics, either... "The Codex says we should. Forget that, we're divergent! Let's retreat!..."... It's more along the lines of organizational... However, viewing the Imperium as I do, I also think divergence in character is also possible... I guarantee you, Roboute used the Ultramarines as an example of the pinnacle of "Marine-hood", that one must strive to become, martial strength, purity of thought, clarity of conviction, etc.... A Chapter that recruits from a barbaric world, whose Marines wear trophies, or who brand or scar themselves, is highly divergent from the paragon of Marine virtue... And @ChaptermasterDemon7... Read upon the Thread about Creating a DIY chapter... Pick a Founding date, and then pick an excuse as to Why... There's a million reasons Why the Imperium would want to create a thousand more mega-soldiers... Heck, there's a million reasons why I want my own Chapter of mega-soldiers... Generally though, defending forge worlds isn't necessary, nor is being founded to fight one particular enemy, like the Tyranids or Orks or Eldar... That's overkill, and a waste of a good 1000 mega-soldiers... Also... You'll want to kind of mesh your Marines with the culture of their homeworld... That is what gives them their "flavor"... It's like Marine marinated in delicious culture... Yum... For example,if their homeworld is feudal, maybe the Marines are very "class conscience", or prefer 'honorable duels', emulating their knightly jousts... If they come from a cannibalistic culture, maybe the marines eat the brains of their enemies... Is there a real world culture or civilization from History that appeals to you? That you can draw references from, to both create a homeworld, and create the Chapter... THAT is the best way to start. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231092-blood-guardians/#findComment-2779925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaptermasterDemon7 Posted June 2, 2011 Author Share Posted June 2, 2011 @ChaplainMathreyn, ok ill try that and thanks for the comment. so, do i have to pick a planet that has already been made or am i alllowed to make up one? ill also do the spell check as u suggested and ill write it on paper before i post it so its not as hard to read. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231092-blood-guardians/#findComment-2779932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaplainMathreyn Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Make one up... That way, you can make it whatever you want it to be... A world covered in water... A world torn apart in fire and lava... A desert world of nomads... Already established worlds are established in the universe, decidedly without any hint of your Marines in it... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231092-blood-guardians/#findComment-2780053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaptermasterDemon7 Posted June 3, 2011 Author Share Posted June 3, 2011 Alright i can do that. right now im looking at the Japanese, French, English, Roman and Barbarians for ideas on beliefs, the reason why they perfer close combat with swords over long range fighting. also, i picked the 23rd founding for them to be founded in and the reason why is only somewhat done because all i have managed to get was: A High Lord of Terra has a vision from the Emperor that...... that is as far as i have gotten with it for i have been juggling ideas of what the vision could be. any ideas or suggestions for it? and again, i would like to thank everyone who has posted so far and has given me helpful advice on how to make my DIY capter better and for helping with the IA i am trying to write Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231092-blood-guardians/#findComment-2780986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Have you read anyone's DIY's? I found that after reading some of them it was also a little easier. Blood Angel successor ones would also help quite a bit, but there are plenty of others as well. For the most part, since you are a BA successor, you do not really need to explain your culture as a "close fighting" culture. The reason is because of the Flaw. The Red Thirst naturally makes you want to get in close, see the blood, and indulge in it. This could do a variety of things: 1) Your chapter, already feeling the lust for close combat decides to embrace it almost completely, they become savage in their charges. -100 to public relations. 2) Your chapter realises that close combat has a draw on them. However, they believe in a close and ordered assault, using their Thirst as a training, they hone the arts of hand to hand combat. Maybe this will add a degree of control to it? -50 to public relations. 3) You want blood, but your savagry has cost your chapter dearly, it has almost been whiped out! As a result, your chapter will not deny the wants of close combat, but you are perfecting it as an art, so that while you charge, it is very controlled, clean, and martial. On top of that, you also fashion your helmets to resemble grinning faces of some sort (Samari-like), which scares your enemys. +10 to public relations. 4) You love close combat, and you have the thirst, BUT you believe in total control. Your cuts are clean and well controlled, your tactics are fined to perfection, and you fight like a well oiled machine... Yes, you have the thirst, but you do all in your power to make sure you own it. Of course there are more than just these, but these are some examples. You could also go the opposite way, if you prefer ranged combat. You have the curse, but you try to master control of it, and avoid close combat all together. As such you tend to favour devastators over assault marines. If you can not see blood, you can not thirst for it, right? (of course, I know that is not true, but thats a way they might "look" at it.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231092-blood-guardians/#findComment-2781010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaptermasterDemon7 Posted June 3, 2011 Author Share Posted June 3, 2011 @Telanicus, i have actully read a couple of the IA articles on here and i see how it is doen. i also like the ideas of #'s 1 and 3. could i possible combine them to make something completely new? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231092-blood-guardians/#findComment-2781051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaptermasterDemon7 Posted June 4, 2011 Author Share Posted June 4, 2011 Chapter: Blood Guardians Founding: 23rd (NEW)Early History: After the Blood Guardians left Mars, heading towards Esponri, they didnt know what to expect when they arrived. When they arrived in orbit above Esponri, the Blood Angels had already arrived and hand already wenty planet side. they heard a garrgled report that the Blood Angels were facing resistance from a large horde of Orks. So, the Blood Guardians deployed First Company behind the large Ork horde and as the Terminators of the First Company opened fire, the Orks were crushed between the two forces. Once the Orks were defeated, the Blood Guardians depolyed full and the Blood Angels and Blood Guardians made there main base of operations in the captial, Shravana, and planned on what to do to cleanse this planet. It ws rumored that large hordes of Ork were in the forest of Esponri and also that a small band of Chaos Marines from the Word Bearer's Legion were also on the planet. They decided that the Blood Angels would handle the Orks in the forest while the Blood Guardians investigated to see if the rumors about the Word Bearer's Legion were true or not. So the Blood Guardians set out the next day, following there first Chapter Master, Dejonus, towards the planets deserts, where its was said that sitings of the Word Bearer's were held up at, insearch of the heretics. As they neared the deserts, the rumors that they had heard were beginning to come to life. They saw the sacrifices that had been done to some of the local citizens, as well as finding one of the scouts that did not make it back from the recon mission that they were sent to do. When the Blood Guardians set foot into to the blazing hot desert, they knew that the ruinous powers of Chaos were at work, for the sky was as red as blood and the ground was cracked and splintered with fouls creatures that were not of this diminseion. As they went further into the desert, small skirmishes between the tactical squads sent ahead to clear the path and the Chaos Marines of the Word Bearer's Legion broke out and as they got closer to the heart of the desert, the fighting began to escalate till the Blood Guardians were standing infront of a full company from the Word Bearer's Legion. Dejonus ordered that they put the Terminators of First Company, along with the Veterans that came with the Training Cadre from the Blood Angels, to be put on the front lines and that their only Dreadnought, a Furioso by the name of Ares, be next to the front lines and that they place the Assault squads near the flanks. so as they began to march forward, they noticed that they heretics had placed there Defilers near the front to rain down firing to slow the advance to provide time for the Word Bearer's to close on the Blood Guardians. Dejonus decied to send Brother Ares to deal with the Defilers. As the Furioso moved towards his prey, he spun his black Blood Talons and ripped apart the cultists that stood between him and the Defilers. Ancient Brother Ares torn into the Defilers, giving the Blood Guardians enough time to rush in and begin there attack, thus sealing the Word Bearer's fate. As they went through the bodies of dead to see what could be salavaged and to make sure the dead were dead, Dejonus found a sword that once belonged to a Chapter long forgotten, it hummed with power as it entered Dejonus's grip. He named the sword (need a name for it) for its mighty powers in battle and its close connection with Dejonus. As they returned from the deserts, they were to find that the Blood Angles had left Esponri in the hands of the Blood Guardians as they left the day before the battle in the deserts. So, the Blood Angels built the fortress monestary and began to recruit from Epsonri. (EDITED)Homeworld: Epsonri: The planet of Epsonri is located in the Segmentum Obscurus, its people are as savage as the terrian around them, fighting for survival from the animal and terrian. The terrian is a mix of harsh deserts and deadly jungles where the people fight each other in clans and the wildlife for survival everyday. The Blood Guardians fortress monestary, the Guardians of the Blood, holds the whole chapter within its mighty walls, its deadly defeneces and its awestriking pressence, the people on Esponri make a pilgramage to it every to to lay eyes on the Astartes that stay on the planet to keep the Fortress- Monestary in top condtion. (EDITED)Beliefs: They partake in the blood of there fallen to remember them and to take there spirit with them in honor of there bravewry and sacrafice to the chapter (EDITED)Combat Doctrine: The Blood Guardians know about the Flaw that they have within their bodies and they embrace it but they also fight like a well oiled machine- their cuts are clean, tactics are perfected to a T, and they make sure that they own the Flaw, and that the Flaw does not own them. They still use long range weapons, but when the time is right, they draw their power swords, chainswords and all other of combat weapons and dive head first into the blood, gore and guts of the fight. (EDITED)Orginization: The Blood Guardians troops wear red power armor and a red helm while the sergeants have a red helm with a black strip down the middle and the veteran have the tradition silver helm and the veteran sergeant has the silver skull on his helm with the black strip. Made multiple changes, thanks to the questions and suggestions given by CWC and Telanius. Once again, I thank everyone who has commented to this and given me sound advice and good suggestions. -ChaptermasterDemon7 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231092-blood-guardians/#findComment-2782295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantonWC Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Hello Seems I've take an interest in your IA. reason for being formed: a High Lord of Terra had a vision from the Emperor that the world of Epsonri would need the aid of the Astartes, and the Blood Angels were nearby, but would need the help of a new chapter from there gene-seed to aid them in this fight. thus, the Blood Guardians were founded. Uh, you mind downgrading it a bit? Not implausible to have a Chapter founded according to a mixture of conventional plannign and soothsaying, but going all the way to a High Lord is a bit much. Combat Doctrine: the Blood Guardians know of the Flaw and have had several fallen to the Flaw: one of the fallen was a Chapter Master, Dejonus Sergata, during the first landfall on Epsonri, when the people, who were somehow armed with lasguns, attacked the landing crew and as Dejonus and a squad from Third Company fought, Dejonus embraced the Flaw and went into a killing, blood drinking frenzy and Third Companies commander, Davin, was forced to end his life and they then realized that they need to be able to control the Flaw, but also want to embrace it. so as they grow, they start to hone the skills with the Flaw and learn to control it. Uh, so where are you going with this? And you cannot really control the Flaw. The only exceptions as I recall are Lemartes and Mephiston. t. they perfer close combat than long range due to they have embraced the Flaw, and the marines in First Company have the helmets like screaming faces, like the Japanese samurai, to invoke fear in there enemies. Uh, please remove references to Samurai and Japanese culture. Why, stuff like Aztecs, Vikings, Saxons, Feudal Japan etc. are all dead cultures. This is the 41st millennium, knowledge of those cultures are long gone. "Copy pasta culture" Chapters are something I particularly despise. Instead of saying "We r teh Samuray Marirnes!!" take the important things you like about Samurai; the strong code of honor, loyalty to one's lord, death before dishonor etc. and try to translate those concepts into a Chapter. You can get the Samurai feel without resorting to scary helmets and katanas. they also sometimes cut the heads off the enemy commander and attach it to there belts as trophies and symbols of high rank and valor. Other Chapters can do this too, I don't feel this is very unique. And in any case you need more for your beliefs. Orginization: even though they are Codex-adherent, they still have the standard ten companies, but they maintain extra battle compaines bue to when they recruit from Esponri, they have move when they all get out of training of Scouts that they can begin forming extra battle compaines and can replenish the already formed battle companies when they need more troops. Er, why? Remember what I said before about standard Codex organization. Ten Companies, no more and no less. ... It's not much, right now. What do you want to do with these Marines. Can you describe them in one sentence? Try thinking about a theme. Crazed berserkers, or extreme self-discipline to control and maybe use that rage or whatever. A theme helps give you ideas for jump-starting each section, and helps weave the IA together and make it coherent. realized that they need to be able to control the Flaw, but also want to embrace it the believe if they drink the blood of their fallen foes, that it will increase their strenght and make them stronger These are good places to start. CWC Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231092-blood-guardians/#findComment-2784629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaptermasterDemon7 Posted June 7, 2011 Author Share Posted June 7, 2011 thanks cwc for the comments and ill go back and edit and remove the samurai and mask and japan things as u recommened. what is a better way for me to get them founding instead of going to a High Lord? also, the theme i want is marines who drink the blood of there fallen foes in belief that they gain strenght from it. but, i also want they to be able to control it, to a certain point. since i didnt get anything bad on Epsonri, then that must mean i did good with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231092-blood-guardians/#findComment-2784983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 First up - dont say anything special about how/why you were founded. just say "they were created during the XXth founding." or similar. I say this so often, but The more detail where you dont need it, the harder you make things for yourself. GW dont generally go into that much specifics about how/why any given chapter was founded: relictors, Silver Skulls, Nova Marines, Marines Malevolent, Genisis Chapter, etc, etc, etc... K.I.S.S. A porblem with drinking the boold of fallen foes - waht happens when you fight somethign like a Tyranid or Chaos Tainted followers, heck - even Ork blood could carry infection/rokoid fungus spores in it - drinking their blood is a good way to wipe out your chapter. Given that rules out a few of your major opponents, do you really want to have them drinking blood of their enemies. Kroot have discovered the problems with drinking/eating Tyranid flesh and blood, for example. You could have them drinking the blood of their own fallen, as a way to keep their honoured fallen brethren with them (in addition to reclamation of geneseed) for example, if you must have the blood drinking. Controlling the Flaw is very very very tricky. As a general rule, I'd advise against saying that you have any more control than the BA chapter itself, since they're had longer to learn how to deal with it than anyone else. That control however has some limitations. Orginization: The Blood Guardians make sure that they can tell who is in contol of the squad when in combat, or in excersises that are preformed when not on another world, spreading the Emperor's light. The Sergeants of First Company have red power armor while the others have silver helms w/red leneses and black power armor. The Tactical, Devastator and Assault squads, the Sergeants and troops both have red armor and blue leneses, but the Sergeants have black helms while the troops have red helms. As for this bit - a bit 'clunky'. Every chapter will have ways of knowing who is in command of any given squad, heck - even without markings on armour they'd probably know who it is (with a photographic memory, and a limited number of brothers). I also dont feel the complete change of chapter colours between veteran sergeants, veterans and normal troops - Might sound like a good idea but I suspect it'd look nasty and uncoordinated on a table. The word uniform is used for a reason. How about: "The Blood Guardians wear red power armour, the colour of bloodshed, and their sergeants are signified by a black stripe on their helmet while veteran marines are identified by a silver helmet." Dont worry about saying what eye-lense colour they have - thats just verbal clutter, and looks like you're desperate for things to write. Gives you: normal trooper - red helmet, sergeant with red helment/black crest stripe, veteran silver helmet, verteran sergeant has a logical progression of silver helment (denoting veterancy) and black stripe (denoting sergeancy). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231092-blood-guardians/#findComment-2785252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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