Koremu Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 So I am contemplating the Stormraven (no, I'm not going BA, no I don't care that it's technically illegal), and I'm wondering what weapons fits people use on theirs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 The most common I see is Twin linked Lascannons and twin linked multimeltas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaplain belisarius Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 that is an awesome weapon config...thats why! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Why take the lascannon over the assault cannon? Assault cannons are better anti-tank thanks to rending and the range matches the multi-meltas exactly, plus the added anti-infantry firepower is a nice bonus. I would argue that it looks better but thats just my opinion. On a related question, is there really a good reason to take the plasma cannon? Twin linking seems alot less impressive on blast weapons and marines have an easy time fitting plasma and plasma cannons into their armies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something Wycked Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 On a related question, is there really a good reason to take the plasma cannon? Twin linking seems alot less impressive on blast weapons and marines have an easy time fitting plasma and plasma cannons into their armies. Not just that, but twin linking a template is just a to-wound reroll and I really don't think its worth it on the Stormraven when you can bring a significant number of plasma cannons elsewhere in the army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 On a related question, is there really a good reason to take the plasma cannon? Twin linking seems alot less impressive on blast weapons and marines have an easy time fitting plasma and plasma cannons into their armies. Not just that, but twin linking a template is just a to-wound reroll and I really don't think its worth it on the Stormraven when you can bring a significant number of plasma cannons elsewhere in the army. Twinliking a template weapon is reroll wounds. Plasma cannons are blast weapons. Twinlinking allows reroll of the scatter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something Wycked Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 ... And that's what I get for going off of the word of my friends XD Thanks for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race Bannon Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I'm not putting AT on a flying bullseye. Humbly speaking, I'm going AI - HB, AC, Hurricanes ... if I ever get to use one with my Raptors :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myxx Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I like Ass.Can. with psybolts and MLs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Gathurn Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I'm not putting AT on a flying bullseye. Humbly speaking, I'm going AI - HB, AC, Hurricanes I'm with Bannon here. seems illogical. Theres easier ways to get fast melta. Although since i assume your writing this list for fluff, i'd just take whatever you think would go on it/looks best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koremu Posted June 3, 2011 Author Share Posted June 3, 2011 Well I'm thinking about how to model it, and it look (from the pics & sprues) tricky to mag the weapon mounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I'm not putting AT on a flying bullseye. Humbly speaking, I'm going AI - HB, AC, Hurricanes I'm with Bannon here. seems illogical. Theres easier ways to get fast melta. Although since i assume your writing this list for fluff, i'd just take whatever you think would go on it/looks best. For appearance, I think the plasma cannons look the best on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Valerius Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Why take the lascannon over the assault cannon? Assault cannons are better anti-tank thanks to rending and the range matches the multi-meltas exactly, plus the added anti-infantry firepower is a nice bonus. I would argue that it looks better but thats just my opinion. What? No way are they better anti-tank. There's only a 1/9 chance to get a shot equal or better than a lascannon. Even with 4 shots, that's a 37.6% chance to fire at S9 or S10, whereas a lascannon is S9 every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Why take the lascannon over the assault cannon? Assault cannons are better anti-tank thanks to rending and the range matches the multi-meltas exactly, plus the added anti-infantry firepower is a nice bonus. I would argue that it looks better but thats just my opinion. What? No way are they better anti-tank. There's only a 1/9 chance to get a shot equal or better than a lascannon. Even with 4 shots, that's a 37.6% chance to fire at S9 or S10, whereas a lascannon is S9 every time. The math has been done before, but its been awhile so I'll try to remember how it plays out. Against AV10 One twin linked BS4 lascannon: 89% chance to hit x 100% chance to glance/penetrate = 0.89 damage results One twin linked BS4 assault cannon: 4 x 89% chance to hit = 3.56 hits x 33% chance to glance/penetrate = 1.78 damage results Against AV12 One twin linked BS4 lascannon: 89% chance to hit x 67% chance to glance/penetrate = 0.60 damage results One twin linked BS4 assault cannon: 4 x 89% chance to hit = 3.56 hits x 17% chance to glance/penetrate = 0.60 damage results Against AV14 One twin linked BS4 lascannon: 89% chance to hit x 33% chance to glance/penetrate = 0.30 damage results One twin linked BS4 assault cannon: 4 x 89% chance to hit = 3.56 hits x 11% chance to glance/penetrate = 0.39 damage results In all cases, the assault cannon either beats or equals the lascannon against armor. EDIT: Fixed last calculation to be AV14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGuard Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 But the lascannon has range. That being said, you've got a 24" move, so you don't need the range. I'd prefer the assault cannon purely for flexibility. Also most Storm Ravens do tend to have 4 bloodstrike missiles (unless you're Grey Knights), isn't that enough long-range anti-tank. Ideally, I can see MM/AC being good, possibly with hurricanes, using it like a faster but lighter Crusader. I'm not convinced about the hurricanes for points reasons, but my friend swears by them. The other one I keep seeing is MM/LC, hurricanes. Seems weird to me. I'd say if you want the LC, you want to take the typhoon missile launcher. With PotMS, you can move 12" and fire 1 TL-LC, and 2 ML shots a turn, cracking open transport. If you need something dead move 6" and fire the bloodstrikes as well. When tanks are dead, you've got frag template. More of a support vehicle than transport though. The one I like the look of though is the plasma cannon/MM variant. Similar range bands, and a highly accurate plasma template, perfect for taking out those prevalent Space Marine armies. MM lets it perform fast melta as well. Most useful when using alongside different anti-tank options, like Typhoons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 But the lascannon has range. That being said, you've got a 24" move, so you don't need the range. I'd prefer the assault cannon purely for flexibility. Also most Storm Ravens do tend to have 4 bloodstrike missiles (unless you're Grey Knights), isn't that enough long-range anti-tank. Exactly, I would rather have the flexibility over the extra range. The only time the lascannon seems like a better buy is if you want the TML as well and plan on hanging back and providing long range anti-tank shots. Ideally, I can see MM/AC being good, possibly with hurricanes, using it like a faster but lighter Crusader. I'm not convinced about the hurricanes for points reasons, but my friend swears by them. I've never really seen the awesomeness of hurricanes because I've never seen a marine list that was really hurting for S4 power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Valerius Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Why take the lascannon over the assault cannon? Assault cannons are better anti-tank thanks to rending and the range matches the multi-meltas exactly, plus the added anti-infantry firepower is a nice bonus. I would argue that it looks better but thats just my opinion. What? No way are they better anti-tank. There's only a 1/9 chance to get a shot equal or better than a lascannon. Even with 4 shots, that's a 37.6% chance to fire at S9 or S10, whereas a lascannon is S9 every time. The math has been done before, but its been awhile so I'll try to remember how it plays out. Against AV10 One twin linked BS4 lascannon: 89% chance to hit x 100% chance to glance/penetrate = 0.89 damage results One twin linked BS4 assault cannon: 4 x 89% chance to hit = 3.56 hits x 33% chance to glance/penetrate = 1.78 damage results Against AV12 One twin linked BS4 lascannon: 89% chance to hit x 67% chance to glance/penetrate = 0.60 damage results One twin linked BS4 assault cannon: 4 x 89% chance to hit = 3.56 hits x 17% chance to glance/penetrate = 0.60 damage results Against AV12 One twin linked BS4 lascannon: 89% chance to hit x 33% chance to glance/penetrate = 0.30 damage results One twin linked BS4 assault cannon: 4 x 89% chance to hit = 3.56 hits x 11% chance to glance/penetrate = 0.39 damage results In all cases, the assault cannon either beats or equals the lascannon against armor. You're comparing AV10-12, tanks for which a lascannon is overkill. That's hardly a fair comparison to base your statement upon. The lascannon is there to soak your enemy's AV13 and AV14 vehicles with more fire, not to take out Rhinos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Project.2501 Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Something I've yet to read is which version of the SR are you(OP) planning all this upon, GK or BA? I ask because, to me, the difference between bloodstrike and mindstrike missiles affects the other weapon choices. I do not have a SR, but do use the BA 'dex when I feel like it, and what I've always envisioned was Bloodstrikes, Heavy Bolter and Plasma Cannon. Ranges match and are great, work against infantry/heavy infantry/light armor, and I've usually already got melta/lascannons covered, but regardless, you've still got four bloodstrike missiles as well. 36"+12" move and still able to do full damage (unlike the MM) always seemed great to me. Now if only the model didn't look like a shipyard's conex crane that can just so happen to fly... Anyhoo, my $.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 You're comparing AV10-12, tanks for which a lascannon is overkill. That's hardly a fair comparison to base your statement upon. The lascannon is there to soak your enemy's AV13 and AV14 vehicles with more fire, not to take out Rhinos. Sorry, I made a mistake, the final section should be AV14. The calculations are correct, the title is not. I'll fix that now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dylan Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 I feel the assault cannon and multimelta are the go to weapons for the stormraven as they best compliment the roles the stormraven fills, as in short range antitank to assist your disembarking infantry. Range isn't really a problem for the stormraven because odds are it's going to be in there face anyways to drop off your cc specialists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 I would agree with MM/AC as the best general-purpose Stormraven build, but to some degree it does depend on what you have in the rest of your army and your local metagame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
templargdt Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 I'm running my SR TLAC, TLMM, 4 Mind Strikes. It doesn't cost anything additional and so far it's done very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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