Ard Boyz 2011

[Levitas]

Early days I know, but starting to think about what I want to take so I can buy/build.paint if necessary. 2.5k allows for a lot of the more luxury units, but does that mean they should be taken?. At the same time orks and IG will be nasty at that points level.

 

What would you take in a 2.5k no nonsense list?

[Martok]

Personally I would look at taking the best stuff and fill the rest with Grey Hunters. So I would be looking at taking full long fangs a bunch of landspeeder typhoons and then look at some thunderwolves with a lord leading them. From that point in keep adding grey hunters with banner, wulfen, fist, melta and wolf guard and add put rune priests leading them with as many using living lightning as possible.

 

This should let you smash the enemy armour/transports apart nice and early and then throw thunderwolves down their throat while the Grey Hunters secure objectives/midfield.

 

This way you have some brutal long range fire hitting a large number of enemy targets making target priority pretty simple. This is then followed up by a thunderwolf charge which can break most enemy deathstars and force the enemy to deal with them while your troops are left with space to get into position.

 

- Martok13

[Levitas]

Long Fang packs check, Typhoon check, 5 Hunter packs check. RP living lightning check.

 

I was thinking Ragnar in a crusader with Arjac, Grey Hunters (melta, PW, wulfen, banner). Then a 4 man TWcav behind (frost, SS).

 

I've found Ragnar to be a game winner, his howl combined with even a small TWcav pack makes them nasty. Arjac I just want to try out, plus he is handy for stuff like Defilers and big bugs.

[eyeslikethunder]

What about a wolf priest to go with ragnar? and I would have more than 1 Storm shield in the TWC if you are going to use them to destroy the oppositions Sledge hammer units.

[commander alexander]

Long fangs, whirlwinds or vindicators, GH's w/ transports. I would pretty much take your standard pork and beans, just on a larger scale. I have been thinking a lot on the subject myself lately, and I love a good cheesy-beard list, but they are not always effective.

 

I have almost 40 terminator models though, so I may do a Logan-wing.....

[commander alexander]

I thought I would bring this up again. It's almost the end of June, which gives us roughly a month and a half before preliminaries. Has anyone been doing more thinking, math-hammering, or play-testing? I'm really quite curious.

 

My own ideas currently:

 

-A few, full units of grey hunters in drop pods. Not many, just enough to sit on a couple of objectives.

-Maybe paint a bulls-eye on Bjorn for extra objectives.

-Lots of firepower to utterly wipe out opponents infantry.

-Then table.

[d@n]

I have found 10x swift claws led by a wolf priest with meltabomb's and melta bombs saga of the beast slayer and a bike with the priest to be a very versatile unit. It adds some much needed speed to your space wolves army, is pretty good at tank hunting with 11 melta bombs, your throwing out 45 re rollable attacks.

[Maximus-92]

Ragnar+GH banner+Thunderwolves nearby=decimation. This is an amazing combo, i use ragnar with GH with banner in Land raider at 1500, and even at that point level it does amazing, Strength 6 re-rolling 1's, yes please. Don't know if i'd include Arjac in this unit because they hit srupidly hard already and overkill is wasted effieicency, i'd chuck him in with Grey hunter DP unit for the extra AT firepower when they drop and the increased charge options. At 2500 you would still have lots of points for 2 long fangs squads, probly 4 missles, 1 lascannon each (would be thre but apparantely wolves aren't cool enough for dedicated land raiders) and then as you say the tried and tested full GH squads with plenty of wound allocation shenanigans. Drop pods or rhinos or both would work fine.

[skoll]

wait maximus im pretty sure one wolf guard pack per army can take a land raider as a transport

[Maximus-92]

Ha, didn't realise, I spose you could go for tripple long fangs if you put ragnar in a raider with wolf guard, but personally i prefer hm with the scoring unit that allows him to re-reoll 1's.

[Fhyn]

Yeah started thinking about it earlier this week. Will be my first Ard Boyz, and first tournament at that point level. So letting myself get carried away at first, then will fine tune it down with what would really be effective. :P

 

But yeah, full compliment of Long Fangs, after that, not really sure. I have 10 TWC with Lord and a Iron Priest on TWC. So will make a few armies with those to mess with. Plus have 5 razorbacks, 3 landraiders, 5 drop pods and a FW SW Dread, to mess with.

 

Will probably make a few army lists and tell my normal group I play with to make lists to make me cry to playtest against and jot down the data and see what I come up with. ;)

[Godhead]

Im thinking 2 rune priests ll/mh, the other ll/jotww

2x wolf lords 1x frost weapon/ss/ra/wtt/wtn 2x fw/ twm saga of the bear, the other wc/ss/ra/wtn 2x fw, twm, saga of the beastslayer or majesty

 

2x longfangs 4x ml, 1xlc rzback tllc

2x gh squads 5 gh 1x flamer, 1x pg wgpl with fist/wgpl combiplasma and fist. rzb lasplas

2x gh squads 7gh moth, melta banner, wgpl combi melta/fist rhino

2x landspeeders tml/mm or hvy flamer

3 twc ss/th, ss, standard lead by both lords.

 

This is the list I'll be play testing for next probably two weeks.

[Marshal Wilhelm]

Early days I know, but starting to think about what I want to take so I can buy/build.paint if necessary. 2.5k allows for a lot of the more luxury units, but does that mean they should be taken?. At the same time orks and IG will be nasty at that points level.

 

What would you take in a 2.5k no nonsense list?

 

I thought Ardboyz was a US thing?

Are you now in Merica, Levitas?

[Levitas]

Early days I know, but starting to think about what I want to take so I can buy/build.paint if necessary. 2.5k allows for a lot of the more luxury units, but does that mean they should be taken?. At the same time orks and IG will be nasty at that points level.

 

What would you take in a 2.5k no nonsense list?

 

I thought Ardboyz was a US thing?

Are you now in Merica, Levitas?

 

Indeed. I'm an Englishman in Dallas. I moved my tribe west ;)

 

Ok,so we had an Ardboyz warm up tournament and I drew the best players in our gaming group. Literally I couldn't have made a worse draw for myself.

 

Game 1 I was shot of the board by Gundar (Eldar with spammed scatterlasers, fire dragons and tanks)

Game 2 I won against defiler spam! Woot

Game 3 I was again shot of the board by Grey Knight Psibolt/cannon spam ( 3 dreads, Storm Ravens, psi and more psi)

 

I ran, roughly.

 

Ragnar, Arjac, wolf banner grey hunters in a Crusader. 4 thunderwolves near by, 5 packs of grey hunters, 3 in razor backs, 2 packs of long fangs ( 4 rockets & 1 las) wolf scouts, land speeder typhoon and an RP (lightning, jaws)

 

By no means a bad list. But game 1 and 2 was leafblower stuff and left me reeling to be honest. Grey Knights are very hard to stop with psi dreads, and the eldar player won the tournament with a clean and flawless victory each game. Spammed str 6 and 7 was my bane.

 

Here is the Eldar list that won, and did very well last year. Great guy and player so have a lot of respect for him, but this is my regions list to beat.

 

It was Eldrad and a Farseer with Guide

6 Wave Serpents with Scatter Lasers and 6 teams of 5 Dire Avengers

3 Wave Serpents with Shurikan Cannons, 3 teams of 7/7/6 Fire dragons

9 War Walkers with 2 Scatter lasers a piece

 

Thoughts? Wisdom? Guidance?!

[Roland Durendal]

Right now if I go I'll probably run the 2.5K list I have posted int he Army subforums that I'm taking to a 2.5K list in two weeks. Basic premise is:

 

RP, Thunderlord, Njal, 5 WG (3 go to GH squads, 2 hang with Njal), scouts, a lone wolf, 3 7X strong GH packs in rhinos (with all the goodies), 1X 5man GH pack in a HB Rback to hang out on the home objective, 2X TWC (SS, TH), 2X Typhoons, and 3X maxed out LF squads with missiles.

 

I was debating adding in two more TWC instead of Njal and Termie retinue, but having the extra anti-psyker defense and ability to cast two powers (especially Jaws since I rarely take it in normal games) is awesome. Plus having more TWC would mean putting my typhoons in a squadron and thereby reducing my fire saturation across the board. Or bolstering by current TWC pack into a giant "shoot me" death star.

[G. A. K.]

I've been painting up a second LF ML unit for this very purpose.

my list will be:

Ragnar+WG(TH/SS)+10 GH(std,wulfen,flamer,melta)+Redeemer

RP-JoWW,LL; Chooser

WP

2x WG(PF/SS,PF/CM)+8GH(std,wulfen,melta)+Rhino; for the priests

2x WG termies (CF/CM,TH/CM)+7GH(std,wulfen,melta)+Pod

LandSpeeder-MM

Vindicator

6Long Fangs- 5ML+Razorback-TLLas

6Long Fangs- 5ML

 

If I recall correctly thats the whole thing and its just about exactly 2500pts. Basically just my standard 1850 list with a vindi, second squad of maxed LFs, WP and another squad of GH in a Rhino. I was toying with using my TWC models but when it comes down to it I really like just regular GHs. they do the job and can hold the obj when they're done. It may not have a lot of 'flash' but it does have a lot of punch!!

 

G

[Levitas]

I've been painting up a second LF ML unit for this very purpose.

my list will be:

Ragnar+WG(TH/SS)+10 GH(std,wulfen,flamer,melta)+Redeemer

RP-JoWW,LL; Chooser

WP

2x WG(PF/SS,PF/CM)+8GH(std,wulfen,melta)+Rhino; for the priests

2x WG termies (CF/CM,TH/CM)+7GH(std,wulfen,melta)+Pod

LandSpeeder-MM

Vindicator

6Long Fangs- 5ML+Razorback-TLLas

6Long Fangs- 5ML

 

If I recall correctly thats the whole thing and its just about exactly 2500pts. Basically just my standard 1850 list with a vindi, second squad of maxed LFs, WP and another squad of GH in a Rhino. I was toying with using my TWC models but when it comes down to it I really like just regular GHs. they do the job and can hold the obj when they're done. It may not have a lot of 'flash' but it does have a lot of punch!!

 

G

 

Interesting, why the Redeemer over the Crusader? Just curious.

[commander alexander]

Because they're Str6 AP3 templates of DOOM!!!!!! I really need to get one myself, and all the games I've played with one in my head, they're full of fiery win! Plus, bieng in grimbnloods company without one of his twelve redeemers, shames me as a wolf. :P

[Grimtooth]

Awhile back I messed around with a hybrid Loganwing that took a ton of people by surprise in my LFGS. Basically it was;

 

Logan

Rune Priest in power armor

 

2 x WGTDA, drop pods

2x GH, rhinos

 

2x Long Fangs

 

So when I got challenged to some 2500 games at the time, I created my hybrid, hybrid Loganwing....lol.

 

Logan

Rune Priest in TDA

WGBL on TWM

 

2x WGTDA in Drop pods

2x GH in Rhinos

1x GH in Drop pod

 

TWC x3

 

2x Long Fangs

 

With this list, I decimated some people and then hid it away, to keep it fresh....LOL. I will probably be running that list for Ard Boyz this year.

[G. A. K.]

I've been painting up a second LF ML unit for this very purpose.

my list will be:

Ragnar+WG(TH/SS)+10 GH(std,wulfen,flamer,melta)+Redeemer

RP-JoWW,LL; Chooser

WP

2x WG(PF/SS,PF/CM)+8GH(std,wulfen,melta)+Rhino; for the priests

2x WG termies (CF/CM,TH/CM)+7GH(std,wulfen,melta)+Pod

LandSpeeder-MM

Vindicator

6Long Fangs- 5ML+Razorback-TLLas

6Long Fangs- 5ML

 

If I recall correctly thats the whole thing and its just about exactly 2500pts. Basically just my standard 1850 list with a vindi, second squad of maxed LFs, WP and another squad of GH in a Rhino. I was toying with using my TWC models but when it comes down to it I really like just regular GHs. they do the job and can hold the obj when they're done. It may not have a lot of 'flash' but it does have a lot of punch!!

 

G

 

Interesting, why the Redeemer over the Crusader? Just curious.

I just like the str 6 AP 3 flame templates. plusa its a hair cheaper than the crusader and I don't really need any more room for guys.

[Levitas]

I'm toying with running 16 Thunderwolves. But would get turned over quickly by Grey Knights.

 

Thoughts on the Big Bad Wolf horde?

[Freman Bloodglaive]

You can be fairly sure you'll see leafblower style Guard (though without inquisitors as the allies rules have been taken away) razorspam + mephiston blood angels, shuriken cannon spam Eldar, and Raider spam Dark Eldar. Probably razorspam Wolves as well. There may well be Grey Knights of various descriptions, I'm not sure that the list has been around long enough for a "optimum" build to be developed for Knights yet.

 

Thunderwolves are cool, but they will be shot to pieces, however keep them cheap enough and they can provide a distraction without reducing the units you really need.

[TiguriusX]

Never done an 'Ard Boyz but I'm curious about something

 

Do people upgrade LFs to LCs with all those extra points or is 2500 still too low to waste on luxuries?

 

15+ LCs only take up a marginal amount and can pew pew enough to cause problems right?

[Freman Bloodglaive]

A couple of lascannons per squad are good, but I think you're still losing out on efficiency upgrading the entire squad to them.

[commander alexander]

If you take Logan, I would give the whole long fang pack lascannons and attach Logan to them. I would not take 15 however..... Get some heavy bolter or plasma cannon packs for anti-infantry shooting at range. If you need more tank busting, give your grey hunters meltas, and the long fangs lasbacks. Heck, double melta speeders are awesome too.