Your Knowledge of Purifiers to Paladins

[renegadewarp]

I was just wondering to see if this is plausible or you think it could happen. Can a purifier become a paladin?

 

Now here's some thoughts I had on it or at least I think is my "understanding".

 

Usually when someone goes to either a paladin or purifiers their taken from strike squads, interceptors, or purgation squads then they choose to take the test(paladins) or are chosen(purifiers) upon passing they are interred into this elite status and I guess swear them selves in basically but I think once your there not sure if you can move around or change to the other elite sides cause those two are kinda like their own small brotherhoods that need their own devoted time and commitment which is probably forever I suppose the only rank you can go is up in rank to things such as GM or Brotherhood Champ etc. not sure I just want your guys opinions. Hopefully you can kinda understand what the question I'm asking is.

 

As I said whats your opinion and If you could explain your opinion on it would be appreciated remember this is just a friendly discussion and opinion based thread. Thanks again :lol:

[Oiad]

Until new fluff regarding these two brotherhoods is release their is only personal opinion regarding this.

 

My opinion: As sweet as a combo of both would be I'm not sure it's possible. Purifiers sounds too secretive to allow a flexible membership. More likely it's a lifetime devotion - once a purifier, always a purifier. I'm also guessing they identify potential candidates early into a warrior's service. If so, taking on a veteran warrior, as required to pass the trials of a Paladin seems unlikely.

As for the idea of Paladins trained within the Purifiers, I can't see that either. The Castellan is a champion warrior in his own right, a leader not just based on his leadership skill but also his martial and spiritual mastery. The way Castellans such as Crowe are portrayed as a lonesome warriors due to the Blade of Antwyr shows that a bodyguard isn't used.

[renegadewarp]

I'm inclined to agree I would think that once you are a purifier it's more of a devote thing as you cannot do any other ranks in the elite for i.e. Paladins. Now if i remember I could be wrong it said that the purifiers are a brotherhood in their own right and don't count towards or fall under the eight Grand Master's and their 8 brotherhoods or something to that effect. But it does show that they can rise up in rank just not change in the "elite" form of the fluff like purifier -> Paladin as cool/deadly as that would be.

 

So for lack of better analogy they cannot move left or right but can move up.

Brotherhood Champion

Possible Grand Master(guessing)

brother-captain and what not

 

I think as this is all just fluff discussion and not Table Top obviously.

 

Anyone else have any opinions on the matter?

 

 

*edit* spelling

[Something Wycked]

I think a Purifier could be chosen to fill the role of a Paladin (ie, bodyguard for the Chapter's leadership) without changing "professions." The fluff also does not exclude Purifiers from using Terminator armor, only the codex/tabletop rules do.

 

I'm imagining a book where the main character is a Brotherhood Captain or a Grand Master, and he has a handful of normal Paladins as his bodyguard. Then there is the Purifier who is either the black sheep of the group or the informal leader of this small group of Paladins, simply because he was placed there by the main character. And everyone, of course, is wearing ornate Terminator armor.

 

But like it has been said, I don't think a Purifier would be able to undo becoming a Purifier. The way I see it as written in the fluff, their duty is too sacred and filled with honor to give it up for anything less than becoming a Captain/Grand Master.

[Justcar]

It might (really big stretch) be possible for a paladin to become a purifier under extraordinary circumstances. Also, Justicar Thawn was once a purifier and was kicked out because of his resurrection (I am guessing), so he could become a paladin...

 

Those would be very rare though...

[jeffersonian000]

Its already mentioned in the GK background fluff that the cult powers are unit specific rather than knight specific, stating that each time a knight joins a new unit he has to re-learn that unit's special power. This was probably inserted into the background to explain why you don't have cross-over powers, but it also makes sense as GK's are gestalt psykers that combine their efforts to achieve a specific task rather than each knight acting on his own as a mini-librarian. To futher this, those GK's that can achieve mastery of multiple powers simply become Librarians, rather than stay one of the brotherhood of pyskers. Even the Brother-Captains and Grand Masterys still use the basic GK power (ie, Hammerhand), which they have mastered to a level that they can use it without being in a group.

 

SJ

[Reclusiarch Darius]

Yeah I think Jeffersonian has it right. I would add that Purifiers are selected early on, and never leave the Purifier brotherhood. They exist as a safeguard and 'special forces' of the Chapter, able to withstand stuff even other Grey Knights wouldn't be trusted with. Sorta like an entire unit of Chaplains, given that their remit is the security of the lower levels of the Chapter fortress, and the preservation of forbidden tomes/weapons/arcane objects in the Chapter vaults. As such, you wouldn't be tapped on the shoulder to go adventuring off, slaying famous daemons and bitch-slapping hordes of lesser daemons single-handedly.

 

More to the point, Purifiers aren't the only bad-ass dudes in the Chapter. Attaining the rank of Paladin requires way harder challenges to be overcome, and it's a 'by admission only' cult. As in, you have to get your fellow Paladins to say 'yeah you are insanely awesome enough to join us'. Librarians are another example of this, because they have to be uber-psykers in a Chapter full of already highly gifted sorcerers. From the sound of things, you need to either become a Paladin first, or you only get deployed in the field as an Apothecary if you're a senior one.

[Brother Captain Kezef]

Paladins are not really a brotherhood, notlike the Purifiers. They have to go through the most dificult challenges an astartes can face, hell they needto go one-on-one with one of the nastiest daemons to qualify.

 

Puifiers are a sworn brotherhood doing a very specific job. Their battlefield role is almost a sideline from their duties defending the bowels of titan.

[Warsmith IV]

I would agree that Purifiers would probably be identified early, ruling out Paladins from becoming Purifiers. Purifiers becoming Paladins however... I would imagine it's not so much impossible as "not the done thing", so maybe it only happens very very rarely (read: perhaps twice in their history) if something major is going down.

 

Of course, as the fluff states more or less all Grey Knights have access to a suit of Terminator armour, you could easily have Terminator Purifiers (or Terminator Purgation Squads for that matter). If you wanted to do that in-game it would only take a few tweaks and I rekon most people would accept that.