so this; epic...

[jaxjace]

how does it work? is it better than standard? more fun? cheaper? pros cons people. :huh:

[Kronk]

Could you be more clear about what you are asking for more information on?

[jaxjace]

i was pretty clear, what are the pros and cons of epic? is it fun? is it better? whats it like? cheaper?

[Hellios]

i was pretty clear, what are the pros and cons of epic? is it fun? is it better? whats it like? cheaper?

 

Yes but you asked in the Apocalypse forum which has nothing to do with EPIC and you only mention EPIC in the title... you might have been referring to the fact that Apocalypse is epic.

 

You don't want to play the latest edition of the game as it isn't the best edition... go to one of the sites dedicated to EPIC and they will tell you which version is best (I don't remember anymore, I don't even remember how many versions of EPIC there have been). So assuming you have got the best addition this is my opinion on EPIC.

 

It is better balanced than 40k, it involves more strategy than 40k. Personally I prefer it over 40k. Downsides... if you really enjoy doing detailed painting then you can't do as much on infantry models... although you can still do a bit with vehicles and certainly lots of stuff with titans.

 

Downsides of EPIC... It is hard to get a lot of the units as many models are no longer produced which means making your own or using eBay. (This can be cheap or expensive depending on how you go about acquiring stuff). The other one is that it is normally much harder to find a game of EPIC because less people play.

 

If you mean Apocalypse then that is just a huge ass game of 40K... everything is the same as 40K but on a bigger scale... If you enjoy big games then great and if not then bad.

[koran]

You don't want to play the latest edition of the game as it isn't the best edition... go to one of the sites dedicated to EPIC and they will tell you which version is best (I don't remember anymore, I don't even remember how many versions of EPIC there have been). So assuming you have got the best addition this is my opinion on EPIC.

 

Really? I think the current edition (epic:armagedon) is by far the best. It combines the best parts of the rules from the previous editions and if free to download on the GW website.

 

As has been said the tactics and gameplay make 40k look like snakes and ladders and the armies are even more characterful than they are in 40k. All in all its the best game GW has produced in my opinion.

[Vodunius]

You don't want to play the latest edition of the game as it isn't the best edition... go to one of the sites dedicated to EPIC and they will tell you which version is best (I don't remember anymore, I don't even remember how many versions of EPIC there have been).

 

By 'latest edition' are you actually referring to EPIC: Armageddon or are you perchance one of those (many) bitter 2nd edition players who having had an allergic reaction to EPIC 40,000 and like to remind everyone that it 'stank' whilst being unaware that EPIC: Armageddon is a totally different game that is in fact mildly popular?

 

Actual editions are debatable, fully published (as opposed to magazine insert) games were:

Adeptus Titanicus & Space Marine 1st edition

Space Marine 2nd edition & Titan Legions

EPIC 40,000

EPIC Armageddon

 

Titan Legions was I believe basically a slight tweaking of SM2e and is generally regarded as the same edition I believe. SM1e was intended as a stand alone game and as supplement for Adeptus Titanicus but a lot of people seem to regard it a different edition due to it using a different turn sequence (IIRC AT phases were alternating whilst SM1e phases were IGO-UGO)

 

Honourable mention should of course go to NetEpic which preserves the 'glory days' of 2nd edition whence it was the job of the marine player to gasp "hurray!" on the rare occasions when their armour actually prevented a platoon of terminators being massacred to the last man by a platoon of gretchin with blunderbusses - as opposed to the dumbed down EPIC 40k & Armageddon wherein infantry armour actually matters.

 

Addendum: To actually (shock horror) answer the original question EPIC has several main pro's vs 40k:

1. Its a game about command decisions rather than the mechanics to resolve them, ie: if you decided to have a full strength Tactical platoon (3 full tactical squads in 3 rhinos) take a farmyard held by 50 greenskins, assuming you got there intact the actual assault in 40k would require you to make 33 individual movements (moving the 3 rhinos then placing every dismounted infantryman) and 50 odd dice rolls on the first turn, by comparison most versions of EPIC would require only 9 individual movements plus maybe 10 dice rolls. Suffice to say you get to find out the result of your decision to take the farmyard a lot earlier in EPIC.

 

2. Space/mobility/range. Wargame rules run the gamut from 100% playability/0% simulation to 100%simulation/0% playability. (fictitious example of the latter: Strategic WW2 game wherein Italians in North Africa have to take into account greater water usage due to extensive use of pasta in their rations), several of the more simulationist historial WW2 tank games (okay thats a 76mm hit on the turret ring of MkIV H with XYZ ammo at 15 degrees angle..) use EPIC scale specifically because you cannot really portray the increased mobility of armour vs infantry on a 40k scale parking lot.