WA Blue Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 I'm looking for some advice on a 500 pt army to take on a 500pt Dark Elder one. I was thinking about Njell and the rest in Bloodclawss? Any thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231325-wolves-v-dark-elder/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 I'm looking for some advice on a 500 pt army to take on a 500pt Dark Elder one. I was thinking about Njell and the rest in Bloodclawss? Any thoughts? Don't bother, Njal and Blood Claws on a 500pts game is a point sink. You want Grey Hunters, and lots of them. The key to victory is keeping your distance, while having your gun-line against DE. Blood Claws wont do you any good against a superior combat specialist army like the DE, not to mention their WS and BS are embarrassing. Your better off with Grey Hunters. good luck whelp Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231325-wolves-v-dark-elder/#findComment-2782362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthstar Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 been awhile since I sat down for a 200 point game, but honestly a named character isn't the way to go. That would be half of your points and the de codex is up to date enough they'd pop him and leave you far too weak. I think my last really good list went something like this Wolf Guard battle leader with fist GH 8x with Mark of the wulfen, Melta Gun, Wolf standard in rhino GH 10x with Mark, Melta x2, Wolf standard, Power Weapon in rhino That or footslog them all and pick up another squad and drop the power weapon from the second squad so it comes out at an even 500. That's kind of the fun part of 500 point games, it's barebones. It's all about the tactics not about the deathstars. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231325-wolves-v-dark-elder/#findComment-2782365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 I'm looking for some advice on a 500 pt army to take on a 500pt Dark Elder one. I was thinking about Njell and the rest in Bloodclawss? Any thoughts? Don't bother, Njal and Blood Claws on a 500pts game is a point sink. You want Grey Hunters, and lots of them. The key to victory is keeping your distance, while having your gun-line against DE. Blood Claws wont do you any good against a superior combat specialist army like the DE, not to mention their WS and BS are embarrassing. Your better off with Grey Hunters. good luck whelp agreed. claws against DE really arent going to be worth it. hunters will do you a lot letter. i would also look into taking a razor if you can, that TLHB can beat, that or a TLAC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231325-wolves-v-dark-elder/#findComment-2782371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Scourge Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 Yeah, screw the Blood Claws. Grey Hunters have the same WS as Wyches/Warriors. Consider throwing flamers in there. Melta isn't really necessary against DE. If he uses Venoms or Raiders you'll be facing AV 10. Plasma and flamers are a better choice imo. The 2d6 melta bonus is totally unnecessary and the range/rapid fire of the plasma will help a lot. If you can find the points, fit a power fist in each squad. It'll strike last, but it'll ID most everything in the DE book when they hit your lines. If you can't manage PFs, don't waste points on a power weapon. Warriors are 5+ and Wyches are 6+/4++ in close combat. So you really won't need a PW against Warriors and it'll be as good as a chainsword against Wyches. Basically, run a gunline. You should be ok. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231325-wolves-v-dark-elder/#findComment-2782384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 So what is it with new players and their appeal of Njal and Blood Claws? Sure Njal is more understandable, but only on larger games. With Njal, you can do almost the same with a normal Rune Priest and for cheaper. And then there are Blood Claws... I ONLY use them if I want to do something fluff related. They had more value back in 3rd Edition, but with the current edition I feel like they are just a one trick pony *Berserk Charge* and dare a say, a waste of points in general. Grey Hunters shine in this edition as they should, and it fits with their fluff. Sending Blood Claws after Dark Eldar is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. Admirable, but foolish, there is no honor is suicide. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231325-wolves-v-dark-elder/#findComment-2782389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander alexander Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 For the same amount of points you can buy a Grey Hunter Unit, with higher BS and WS, as well as better options. Blood Claws are not the better option, but I will admit, they were tantalizing with so many attacks. I would have taken them if only to throw them at something big and laugh at whatever happens. I have actually never played against a Dark Eldar army, no one in my area has one, but what I have always heard is extra dakka is the way to go. Razorbacks? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231325-wolves-v-dark-elder/#findComment-2782394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WA Blue Posted June 5, 2011 Author Share Posted June 5, 2011 So what is it with new players and their appeal of Njal and Blood Claws? New player?? :woot: I like it! I first got started in 1987 and I'm getting back into the game through my son. I appreciate the advice though. Ok I'll see if I can squeeze 500 pt of Grey Hunters and HB Razorback. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231325-wolves-v-dark-elder/#findComment-2782400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 So what is it with new players and their appeal of Njal and Blood Claws? New player?? :woot: I like it! I first got started in 1987 and I'm getting back into the game through my son. I appreciate the advice though. Ok I'll see if I can squeeze 500 pt of Grey Hunters and HB Razorback. Apologies Wolf Brother, my comment was more of a general statement. I pretty much started around the same time as you, but as mentioned earlier in my previous post. The tactical value of Blood Claws, although having that "cool factor" have changed. Blood Claws had far more worth, when you could equip 3 power fist in a full 15 man pack of Blood Claws back in the older editions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231325-wolves-v-dark-elder/#findComment-2782403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Stromclaw Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 I'd take a Rune Priest as the HQ choice. Living Lightning should be pretty nasty against every vehicle in their arsenal and then Murderous Hurricane to kill wyches/assault troops or Stormcaller to protect your guys against dark lance spam. Razorback would be good, but I'd go for some Long Fangs instead, if you can scrape up the points. Something like... Rune priest with LL, SC, 100 10 Grey Hunters, 2xplasma guns, MotW 175 8 Grey Hunters, 1x flamer, MotW 135 4 Long Fangs, 3x missile launchers 90 Totally footslogging, but should kill anything he can bring to the table with relative ease. With wimpy dark eldar armor and the flurry of attacks, Mark of the Wulfen is very nasty. The nice thing about dark eldar is, while they are very mobile, they have short ranged stuff, so they have to get up close in order to do damage. And up close is were we wolves excell :woot: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231325-wolves-v-dark-elder/#findComment-2782420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WA Blue Posted June 5, 2011 Author Share Posted June 5, 2011 No apology needed mate, as I said I'm an old Newbie. :woot: ;) My boy wants to go the GW shop next week and as I said earlier it's a 500pt match. I've seen from this post that to beat DE you need range. He's going to take Grey Knights and I'm taking the Wolves. I've ordered Long Fangs, a razorback and a predator from the UK before the GW Aussie embargo kicks in so hopefully this will help to balance out my force, which is mainly infantry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231325-wolves-v-dark-elder/#findComment-2782425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 All good! welcome to the Fang. Have an ale on me! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231325-wolves-v-dark-elder/#findComment-2782434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 tempestwraith vs dark eldar is brilliant no raider/helion/jetbikes coming with in 24 of your rune priest and his grey hunters and blast em i like jonas list for this size game mucho funo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231325-wolves-v-dark-elder/#findComment-2782442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dampe Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 Wolf Guard battle leader with fistGH 8x with Mark of the wulfen, Melta Gun, Wolf standard in rhino GH 10x with Mark, Melta x2, Wolf standard, Power Weapon in rhino This is pretty much what I run for 500pts battles. Usually with a Rune priest instead. Lightning, Stormcaller and Murderous Hurricane are all good choices. You can always swap around the equipment for your hunters with what suits you best. Most times I only use bloodclaws if I have a wolf priest with them and either have them in a raider or take skyclaws. But most battles hunters get´s the job done. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231325-wolves-v-dark-elder/#findComment-2782444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthstar Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 Wolf Guard battle leader with fistGH 8x with Mark of the wulfen, Melta Gun, Wolf standard in rhino GH 10x with Mark, Melta x2, Wolf standard, Power Weapon in rhino This is pretty much what I run for 500pts battles. Usually with a Rune priest instead. Lightning, Stormcaller and Murderous Hurricane are all good choices. You can always swap around the equipment for your hunters with what suits you best. Most times I only use bloodclaws if I have a wolf priest with them and either have them in a raider or take skyclaws. But most battles hunters get´s the job done. I'd follow the combined advice of everyone, drop the meltas, add flamers and free up the points for a rune priest and gun line it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231325-wolves-v-dark-elder/#findComment-2782458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleBoy Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 Yeah gun line is your best best and the Rune Priest will wreak havoc but I will provide an additional word of warning. A Dark Eldar army at 500pts will probobly go with a wych cult, and therefore combat ASAP. So that means transports. Those transports will hide behind whatever terrain they can and then assault. And it is possible for them to move deploy fleet and charge 24", the range of your bolters. And with upgrades they can reduce your range against the vehicles they will not be afraid of being shot up before getting nito combat That is by anything other than those razorback HB You might think about two razorbacks. But then your numbers will be really low and you would HAVE to keep your squads together or they'd be picked off one at a time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231325-wolves-v-dark-elder/#findComment-2782861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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