Heresy timeline

[nuclearship]

Hi guys

 

I was reading this board since a long time but never entered live. As I read this thread it may be cool to share what I created for myself.

 

I made this timeline as good as I could with all inconsitencies streamlined. Do you have any additions or changes I should make?

 

 

 

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o427/nuclearship/Direct%20Links/Timeline.jpg

 

Sorry it's a pdf in original and I don't know how to upload such a file...

[Týr]

Hi guys

 

I was reading this board since a long time but never entered live. As I read this thread it may be cool to share what I created for myself.

 

I made this timeline as good as I could with all inconsitencies streamlined. Do you have any additions or changes I should make?

 

 

 

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o427/nuclearship/Direct%20Links/Timeline.jpg

 

Sorry it's a pdf in original and I don't know how to upload such a file...

 

Could you make it bigger?

[TheDarker]

Funny, i started EXACTLY this same proyect just a few days ago and now this post re-appears...

 

I´m doing an HH only timeline. In excel. Yes, i know, it´s not a great tool, but with the cells and all the possibilities to put "events" in line i thinked it could be useful. Also, i can change it when i have it nearly finished. I´m actually reading "The Outcast Dead", but i will have to re-read the others book to have references (except the ones already given with previous post, great job!).

 

I would upload that excel file, but since Megaupload is dead (thank you FBI...) i´m not sure what internet storage sistem use, so anyone can download it and give his suggestions/add things (well, better telling me so only one do this).

 

Hope we can get a decent timeline soon!

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

The ambition is to sort out how the books relate to each other, so I was thinking not to include any other sources of fluff -just the HH-books. But maybe there is inconsistencies (is that a real word?) between the books. I guess I´ll handle that when it comes along...

 

I figured that Istvaan V is sort of the official start of the actual civil war that is the Heresy and a good point to arrange things around. I´ll chaneg it if it gets weird and confusing...

Let me start by saying that i love the idea and would love to help. That said... i hate to dissagree but... The "start" of the Horus Heresy was on Isstvan III, not V. The first shots fired on once friendly forces was in orbit of Isstvan III near the frigate Eisenstein. Fighter ships ( a flight of Ravens, raptor like interceptors), sent after Saul Tarvitz tried and failed to shoot down a Thunderhawk he piloted. The Eisenstein/Garro, scored the first kills by shooting them down and saving his honor Brother. The Events on Isstvan V were VERY important, but not the birth. Isstvan V would be + couple months if not a year from the start. The Siege of Terra was + 7 years from III.

[TheDarker]

Ok, first try: Keep in mind two things

a) this is version 0.0, so it´s not beauty, it´s not complete, and probably has something wrong XD. Also i´m reading "The Outcast Dead", so no events from the last two books or the Audio books (being from Spain doesn´t help...)

b)Quick guide: Book Codes are for references, Dated events are "main" events and undated events are those events that you know more or less where they go, but you´re not sure (well, i´m not sure...) Extended Timeline is a proyect, if certain events (like Calth, Istvaan or similars) ends with too much information i will put that information here. But it´s just an option. Like the Dramatis Personae label.

 

Hope you like it, i will continue to improve this if people like it or find it useful!!

 

Hope this works

[Sviox]

How about using Google docs to do this? I think it allows same spreadsheet to be edited by a number of people.

[TheDarker]

Never tried. The problem with that system it´s that probably it will end in chaos (damm!) when people start to rearrange thinks on the way they think "it´s the best". That´s why an unique approach i think will be better.

 

I also suggest, if we want to do this, to start book by book until we can "fix" the main events to put in the timeline, just like:

 

"1: horus kills the emprah.

2: Two weeks after he meets Fulgrim.

3: Later he goes to Murder"

 

And so on. When whe have all the main thinks of a book, we can update the timeline and move to another. Also, if we identify the basic events anyone can built his own timeline :)

[TheDarker]

Timeline edited. If anyone wants to help, PM. I suggest we start on the first book and move forward, i think it´s the better sistem :)

[lord calgar]

Can anyone specify for me wether the primarchs were scattered before, during, or after the unification wars, and at what point specifically it happened?

[Liquidice]

Butcher's nails happens before the invasion of calth, and I believe the first Garro book picked a librarian up during Calth.

[nuclearship]

I'd like to give a bigger size...but it is a pdf document. Where can I upload it for you guys?

[Sazabi24]

I'm really confused.

 

According to Outcast dead and the rest of there Heresy, Magnus sent his message before Istvaan V, but it arrived after Istvaan V, and Russ was sent (after Isstvan V), but was deluded by Pre-Isstvan V Horus?

[Sviox]

I'm really confused.

 

According to Outcast dead and the rest of there Heresy, Magnus sent his message before Istvaan V, but it arrived after Istvaan V, and Russ was sent (after Isstvan V), but was deluded by Pre-Isstvan V Horus?

 

Well said, Sir. That's what happened in a nutshell. McNeil (author of Outcast Dead) really messed up the timeline. Magnus was warning about an event that had already happened :o

[TheDarker]

I´m reading that book and yes, it´s a mess. I put it on the timeline but there are a lot of other sources that implies that Magnus sended the message more-or-less at the same time that Istvaan III (maybe V, don´t know how many time passed between both). If not, actually this happens:

 

(Magnus)-"FATHER, MUST WARN YOU, HORUS IS GOING TO BETRAY YOU"

(Emp)-"You destroy my webway just to tell me that? I know that for months ago!!"

M- "... so... what´s up dad?"

 

And i can´t believe that.

 

Liquidice: Yes, i heard the beginning of the first Garro book and it´s during Calth. But about Butcher´s nails... did you hear the audiobook? any reference? (just to be sure).

 

nuclearship: I put mine on Dropbox, but you can look for a better one, it´s plenty of storage pages for uploading it! ;)

 

lord Calgar: I would go for an "After". The Unification wars were fight by the Thunder Warriors, not the Legion warriors, so a) the Emp was already with the proyect or (my choosing) :) The Emperor waited until he has Terra under control to start his next stage: conquering the galaxy. But it´s just my oppinion.

 

 

Any commento on my timeline? did you like it, wants to add more? thinks it´s a good start? I´m only going for already published stuff, except for all-knowing events (like signus prime, that i didn´t add still XD)

[lord calgar]

lord Calgar: I would go for an "After". The Unification wars were fight by the Thunder Warriors, not the Legion warriors, so a) the Emp was already with the proyect or (my choosing) :unsure: The Emperor waited until he has Terra under control to start his next stage: conquering the galaxy. But it´s just my oppinion.

 

 

I figured it was but it seemed like it was timed to be almost exactly before the beginning of the great crusade proving to be a minor inconvenience rather than a real problem for the emperor to go out and get the kids back. Deliverance lost explains the real undertaking of the primarch project slightly as the huge project it was, so in my opinion I would bet that the primarchs were being made before unification and the thunder warriors were almost like a test run on the genetic templates to see how they would perform.

 

As for the Magnus question the Rout had already beaten the Thousand Sons a year or so before Horus fell at Davin. (Sourced in Prospero Burns) The Rout were still wrapped up in cleanup at Prospero at the time of the dropsite massacre (almost 2 years lafter Magnus warning I believe)

 

Therefore leave it to McNeill to screw everything up. I have tried to ignore everything he does as compared to the better writers when possible

[Nineswords]

I've been working on a HH timeline myself, but my version is plotted in illustrator. I would love to help plot everything based on our collective information.

• You'll note that I'm pretty particular about the timings and I can tell you now there's huge overlaps based on careful readings on the books.
  
• Each small square represents 1 day on the Imperial Calendar (8.76 hours)
  
• Each block of time represents Terran Standard 24 hours
  
• To make sure this is correct (I'm crap at maths), can someone please confirm how long a week is on the Imperial Calendar, and a Month so I know how many squares to fill up
  
• I would love to corroborate the data we've gathered so far to the level of detail I've presented above (see below)
  

Contribution requests:

• In CAPITALS, the name of a particular action/location/both
  
• Page number from what book (you'll notice I need to add these myself to LEGION's timeline)
  
• Very brief description of what's happening
  
• As a datum, I recommend 3 'definitive' dates in relation to one another before the heresy: a. Beginning of Great Crusade (-202 years before GREAT TRIUMPH AT ULLANOR), b. The Great Triumph at Ullanor, and c. ISTVAAN III
  

Once I have this information, I can easily plot the whole lot. I recommend an overall breakdown of the HH timeline as follows:

• The Great Crusade (included to show XVII Legion Word Bearers corruption)
  
• The Horus Heresy (Istvaan III > Siege of Terra)
  
• The Age of Darkness (?) - need confirmation whether or not this part actually begins at Istvaan III and we refer to the Heresy as a whole, or if this is a separate 7 year event leading to the Siege of Terra
  
• The Siege of Terra
  
• The Great Scouring
  

Look forward to hearing your thoughts

[TheDarker]

Seems fine, did you only have the Legion´s timeline?. By the way, the dates (days, years, etc) are based on the book or what?. I´m trying to fill my gaps on that timeline (who ends at the time of Ullanor) so any help is appreciated!.

[Nineswords]

Seems fine, did you only have the Legion´s timeline?. By the way, the dates (days, years, etc) are based on the book or what?. I´m trying to fill my gaps on that timeline (who ends at the time of Ullanor) so any help is appreciated!.

 

Yes, I started with LEGION because a. I am an AL nut and b. Each time stamp is at the beginning of each chapter, and any additional dates have been added on as you read the chapter. I've also made notes on HORUS RISING too as a start to corroborate. Right now, ULLANOR seems to be my best point of reference in the lead up to ISTVAAN III. What I'd need is some more definitive dates, and I can feasibly add an Imperial Calendar timestamp to it. NB: Ullanor occurs right about the right side of the page in the light purple whilst AL and 670th are in transit to Hydra 42/Eolith.

 

Can I get a confirmation on the Calendar stamps for days/weeks/months?

 

Cheers!

[TheDarker]

Can´t help on the calendar, but you can look at my timeline if you want more references. Not with time, but with events. I just have finished the Outcast Dead so maybe i start re-reading previous books of the heresy so i can complete it with more dates. Oh, and i will use your timeline for inspiration too! :tu:

[Nineswords]

No worries, your information is pretty handy just looking at general relationships. Here are my notes for HORUS RISING, but it would be handy to get page numbers since all my HH books are at my parents house.

HORUS RISING

 

+1 year after Ullanor (+203 years since the start of the Great Crusade)

• The "Imperium" action at High City on "Terra" by 63rd expedition. AKA Sixty-Three Nineteen
  
• Remembrancer edict issued shortly after Ullanor Triumph
  
• Lokens telling of High City occurred 'months ago'
  

+3 months after High City

• 63rd still in the system.
  
• Remembrancers join 63rd expedition fleet, 200 years sidereal since the beginning of the great crusade
  
• Council of Terra formed after Ullanor
  
• Rogal Dorn and Imperial Fists had been with the 63rd for 8 months but did not engage in the Imperium compliance action: attends 'Emperor's' state funeral
  
• Mournival formed shortly after The Great Crusade begins
  
• Emperor tasks Imperial Fists with fortifying the Palace of Terra, spent the 'best part of two years' finishing business (this would imply that the Emperor asked Dorn before Ullanor)
  

+6 weeks

• Imperial Army wiping out insurgents before 10th company Luna Wolves begin final actions at Whisperhead
  
• 10ths assault lasts 68 minutes
  
• Jubal and Hellbore squad possessed and turned against Luna Wolves
  
• 63rd departs for 140 less than a week after the Whisperhead action
  

(80 years previous)

• Keylek compliance
  

(60 years previous)

• Word Bearer and Luna Wolves compliance of Davin
  

+12 weeks (journey should have taken 18 weeks)

• Assist 140th expedition and blood angela by the emperors children en route to the Lesser Bifold Cluster. They arrive 4 days prior to Luna Wolves
  
• One-Forty Twenty : Murder
  
• Emperors Children present or nearly 100 hours
  
• Blood Angels action occurred some months before going by the storms wracking the surface. The break allows Luna Wolves to go
  

+ 6 months

• One Forty Twenty Murder/Urisarach/Spiderland compliance
  

+9 weeks

• Interex outpost negotiations and fighting
  

+1 Week

• Return to Davin
  

[Nineswords]

In the end I took out the Imperial dates for now and just did it using Terran Standard (i.e 24 hour clock). Now the timeline for LEGION begins to make sense: PDF here: http://ge.tt/80hhadH/v/0

I'll be plotting HORUS RISING again, soon enough.

[TheDarker]

Updated, still not with all the times because i´m not sure. Except Ullanor and similar, so we can start to have a general timing view. And with that i´m seeing that in only a year the Crusade win Ullanor, banned Magnus on Nikaea and ended with Horus in Davin.

 

Interesting times :(

 

Timeline

 

Hope i can complete more soon :P

[Sviox]

In the end I took out the Imperial dates for now and just did it using Terran Standard (i.e 24 hour clock). Now the timeline for LEGION begins to make sense: PDF here: http://ge.tt/80hhadH/v/0

I'll be plotting HORUS RISING again, soon enough.

 

 

Now that's a nice looking accurate drawing! I really hope you'll get all the books in there. However, I fear it might be too accurate. You'll have really hard time trying to squeeze all the books in the same graph. Also, not all books give as good estimates on time passing between events as Legion does.

[TheDarker]

I had updated my own with "The First Heretic" references (wich is one of the best books in time-giving). Hope it helps, any more help appreciated :)

[Nineswords]

In the end I took out the Imperial dates for now and just did it using Terran Standard (i.e 24 hour clock). Now the timeline for LEGION begins to make sense: PDF here: http://ge.tt/80hhadH/v/0

I'll be plotting HORUS RISING again, soon enough.

 

 

Now that's a nice looking accurate drawing! I really hope you'll get all the books in there. However, I fear it might be too accurate. You'll have really hard time trying to squeeze all the books in the same graph. Also, not all books give as good estimates on time passing between events as Legion does.

 

Thanks! Yes am definitely aware some books are definitely more vague, which is why events like Ullanor are so important as a point of reference. My interest will be plotting other books because I am absolutely sure they will not match up neatly, but what I think will be great is seeing general overlaps in actions over the course of the Heresy. Don't worry about fitting it all on, I know just the thing to make sure it will fit on - it will involve a bit of hacking Google Maps ;)

 

Would be really great if we can start getting more detailed corroboration of the actual timeline of the novels!