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So i've just got round to finishing Age of Darkness after going on a Warhammer Fantasy bender for the past month and after reading Little Horus, one question is lingering.

 

Was he going crazy or did he feel guilty after Istaavan III?

 

It's going to be interesting to see where the Little Horus character goes from here....

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That story has, at least until the next story, put to bed the idea that it is he who turns the shields off.

He's reconciled his guilt and got over it, moved on. He doesn't care now.

 

Totally disagree. I keep reading that people think Aximand is good to go. He has moved on. He is committed. I think this is total crap. Lil Horus was going crazy. It got so bad that it started effecting him on the battle field. He gets so distracted that he walks right into a trap.

EVERY night he has a dream ware he relives the day he just went though but with Loken breathing on his neck! Astartes don't dream unless something is REALLY Wrong.

He is lying about it to anybody. Feeling of shame, fear, plague him. The way he "Moves on" is based on a falsehood.

He thinks he has nothing to worry about because its Loken who is haunting him. He thinks/ knows Loken is dead and feels like he cant hurt him. /WRONG!/

 

 

I think Lil, Horus and Abaddon are Cursed. They broke their Oath of Moment to their Mournival Brothers. They might have gotten away with it but they left one alive. "We stand together in the light of a moon, and swear a bond that only death will break". I think when they joined the Mournival they became linked, maybe in a psykic/ mystical way. I feel that if this was just about simple guilt that Aximond would have been dreaming about Torgoddon because he was much closer to him. I think Loken was SO /MAD/ for the years he spent alone on Istvaan III that he projected it to Aximand over the link that was formed when he joined the Mournival.

 

While i will admit it looks like Aximand got over it at then end of the Story, it dose say that he no longer is having the dreams. What happens when he meets back up with Loken are pretty clear. He will fold like a napkin.

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That story has, at least until the next story, put to bed the idea that it is he who turns the shields off.

He's reconciled his guilt and got over it, moved on. He doesn't care now.

 

Totally disagree. I keep reading that people think Aximand is good to go. He has moved on. He is committed. I think this is total crap. Lil Horus was going crazy. It got so bad that it started effecting him on the battle field. He gets so distracted that he walks right into a trap.

EVERY night he has a dream ware he relives the day he just went though but with Loken breathing on his neck! Astartes don't dream unless something is REALLY Wrong.

He is lying about it to anybody. Feeling of shame, fear, plague him. The way he "Moves on" is based on a falsehood.

He thinks he has nothing to worry about because its Loken who is haunting him. He thinks/ knows Loken is dead and feels like he cant hurt him. /WRONG!/

 

 

I think Lil, Horus and Abaddon are Cursed. They broke their Oath of Moment to their Mournival Brothers. They might have gotten away with it but they left one alive. "We stand together in the light of a moon, and swear a bond that only death will break". I think when they joined the Mournival they became linked, maybe in a psykic/ mystical way. I feel that if this was just about simple guilt that Aximond would have been dreaming about Torgoddon because he was much closer to him. I think Loken was SO /MAD/ for the years he spent alone on Istvaan III that he projected it to Aximand over the link that was formed when he joined the Mournival.

 

While i will admit it looks like Aximand got over it at then end of the Story, it dose not say that he no longer is having the dreams. What happens when he meets back up with Loken are pretty clear. He will fold like a napkin.

 

I agree, if/when he meets with Loken, his mind will be very fragile and very susceptible as his reconciliation is based on something which is not true.

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Does anyone else think it is silly that Little Horus feels guilty for Loken, yet it was Abbaddon who "killed" him whilst he killed Torgaddon? I mean really, if he is going to feel guilty then that's fine, if he is going to see the ghost of the person he betrayed in his dreams then that's great. But why would he NOT see the ghost of the brother he betrayed but someone else entirely?

 

*Shrugs* I dunno, seemed a little silly to me at least. Unless I remember the 1st three books very wrong...

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Does anyone else think it is silly that Little Horus feels guilty for Loken, yet it was Abbaddon who "killed" him whilst he killed Torgaddon? I mean really, if he is going to feel guilty then that's fine, if he is going to see the ghost of the person he betrayed in his dreams then that's great. But why would he NOT see the ghost of the brother he betrayed but someone else entirely?

 

*Shrugs* I dunno, seemed a little silly to me at least. Unless I remember the 1st three books very wrong...

 

umm yeh. That is what i said. I think this has very little to do with guilt. The reason he is thinking about Loken is because Loken is alive. He has Loken on the brain because Cerberus is going ape $#!+ crazy on Istvaan III, and screaming at the stars.

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Totally disagree. I keep reading that people think Aximand is good to go. He has moved on. He is committed. I think this is total crap. Lil Horus was going crazy. It got so bad that it started effecting him on the battle field. He gets so distracted that he walks right into a trap.

EVERY night he has a dream ware he relives the day he just went though but with Loken breathing on his neck! Astartes don't dream unless something is REALLY Wrong.

He is lying about it to anybody. Feeling of shame, fear, plague him. The way he "Moves on" is based on a falsehood.

He thinks he has nothing to worry about because its Loken who is haunting him. He thinks/ knows Loken is dead and feels like he cant hurt him. /WRONG!/

 

This is spot on, I'd say.

 

I think Lil, Horus and Abaddon are Cursed. They broke their Oath of Moment to their Mournival Brothers. They might have gotten away with it but they left one alive. "We stand together in the light of a moon, and swear a bond that only death will break". I think when they joined the Mournival they became linked, maybe in a psykic/ mystical way. I feel that if this was just about simple guilt that Aximond would have been dreaming about Torgoddon because he was much closer to him. I think Loken was SO /MAD/ for the years he spent alone on Istvaan III that he projected it to Aximand over the link that was formed when he joined the Mournival.

 

Not a subscriber to the cursed theory, though. But I do also think it odd that he's pent up about Loken and not Torgadden - I'd say this was probably a mis-step by the author rather than a psychic link. Not sure how to explain it (in universe) otherwise, though... :)

 

While i will admit it looks like Aximand got over it at then end of the Story, it dose not say that he no longer is having the dreams. What happens when he meets back up with Loken are pretty clear. He will fold like a napkin.

 

This bit I'd also say is spot on, I think. It's going to be a moment I'll savour if it is committed to words. ^_^

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I think Lil, Horus and Abaddon are Cursed. They broke their Oath of Moment to their Mournival Brothers. They might have gotten away with it but they left one alive. "We stand together in the light of a moon, and swear a bond that only death will break". I think when they joined the Mournival they became linked, maybe in a psykic/ mystical way. I feel that if this was just about simple guilt that Aximond would have been dreaming about Torgoddon because he was much closer to him. I think Loken was SO /MAD/ for the years he spent alone on Istvaan III that he projected it to Aximand over the link that was formed when he joined the Mournival.

 

Not a subscriber to the cursed theory, though. But I do also think it odd that he's pent up about Loken and not Torgadden - I'd say this was probably a mis-step by the author rather than a psychic link. Not sure how to explain it (in universe) otherwise, though... :P

 

 

Mis-step by Dan Abnett? He created Lil Horus, Loken and Torgoddon, The Mournival. That's what Happens in fantasy/ sci fy when you break a binding Oath like they took. You get Cursed. Go back and reread the part in Horus Rising were Loken Joins the Mournival. It is a Ritual. The mystic part has something to do with the Moon reflected. It was much more then just some words like they might have thought. Loken could feel that it was a ceremony. He tried to resist it but in the end he took the Oath.

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While i will admit it looks like Aximand got over it at then end of the Story, it dose not say that he no longer is having the dreams. What happens when he meets back up with Loken are pretty clear. He will fold like a napkin.

 

It'll be interesting to see IF the selected group led by Garro has a part to play in the Siege of the Terra/Imperial Palace and Loken seeks out Abaddon and/or Little Horus.

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Does anyone else think it is silly that Little Horus feels guilty for Loken, yet it was Abbaddon who "killed" him whilst he killed Torgaddon? I mean really, if he is going to feel guilty then that's fine, if he is going to see the ghost of the person he betrayed in his dreams then that's great. But why would he NOT see the ghost of the brother he betrayed but someone else entirely?

 

*Shrugs* I dunno, seemed a little silly to me at least. Unless I remember the 1st three books very wrong...

 

umm yeh. That is what i said. I think this has very little to do with guilt. The reason he is thinking about Loken is because Loken is alive. He has Loken on the brain because Cerberus is going ape $#!+ crazy on Istvaan III, and screaming at the stars.

 

Has to be guilt, unless of course Loken is supernaturally able to influence Aximand? If it has to be guilt, then it is mis-placed!

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While i will admit it looks like Aximand got over it at then end of the Story, it dose not say that he no longer is having the dreams. What happens when he meets back up with Loken are pretty clear. He will fold like a napkin.

 

It'll be interesting to see IF the selected group led by Garro has a part to play in the Siege of the Terra/Imperial Palace and Loken seeks out Abaddon and/or Little Horus.

 

That's going to depend on how much attention the BL authors pay to the latest GK 'Dex. We're going on the assumption that Loken is one of the 8 founders so that leaves 2 alternatives: Either attention is paid in which case Loken faces down Aximand and guilt trips him into doing something silly (lowering the Vengeful Spirit's shields so the Emperor teleports aboard and kills Horus being a slight understatement of silly) or no attention is paid meaning Loken faces down Aximand, guilt trips him into doing something silly then faces Abaddon who makes no mistakes when killing him the second time around.

 

Personally I don't think Loken would be one of the founders of the Grey Knights. Too much of a bland end; sitting in the Warp waiting for the Heresy to finish

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Does anyone else think it is silly that Little Horus feels guilty for Loken, yet it was Abbaddon who "killed" him whilst he killed Torgaddon? I mean really, if he is going to feel guilty then that's fine, if he is going to see the ghost of the person he betrayed in his dreams then that's great. But why would he NOT see the ghost of the brother he betrayed but someone else entirely?

 

*Shrugs* I dunno, seemed a little silly to me at least. Unless I remember the 1st three books very wrong...

 

umm yeh. That is what i said. I think this has very little to do with guilt. The reason he is thinking about Loken is because Loken is alive. He has Loken on the brain because Cerberus is going ape $#!+ crazy on Istvaan III, and screaming at the stars.

 

Has to be guilt, unless of course Loken is supernaturally able to influence Aximand? If it has to be guilt, then it is mis-placed!

 

Yes, that is exactly what Loken is doing. He is Supernaturally able to influence Aximand, through the bond that was created between them when they became Mournival brothers, in the light of a reflected moon. It might also have something to do with process of Loken becoming Cerberus. "Supernatural" is the right word i think.

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Latent psyker powers tend to start to appear (cant think of a way to write it lol) when the person is badly injured or under extreme emotions, like

Da'kir

in the Salamanders novels, so maybe Loken/Cerberus has developed psyker powers and is using them to influence Little Horus' mood.

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White Scars have been in A Thousand Sons and Descent of Angels.

 

Loken is alive. Is that still a spoiler?

 

I think that Little Horus is now perfectly fine because he believes he is fine. He believes Loken and Torgaddon are dead and he has reconciled that fact. What he believes and what the truth is are different things, but I can't see how Horus will still feel guilt or shame if he has forgiven himself.

 

And I believe it is Loken he sees rather than Torgaddon because it was Loken who was the naysmith, he was the one who spoke out most about what the Legion was becoming and what happened to Horus that if there was any doubt in Little Horus' mind about the direction of the legion then it makes sense that he sees the chief dissenter, a former friend and mournival member.

Torgaddon is secondary to all of this - he died because of Loken. Without Loken, Torgaddon was pliable enough to have followed Abaddon and Little Horus without much protest.

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Torgaddon is secondary to all of this - he died because of Loken. Without Loken, Torgaddon was pliable enough to have followed Abaddon and Little Horus without much protest.

 

Torgoddon died on his knees because Lil Horus swung a sword and sliced off his head. What you say is the lie Aximand tells him self and maybe others.

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I think that Little Horus is now perfectly fine because he believes he is fine. He believes Loken and Torgaddon are dead and he has reconciled that fact. What he believes and what the truth is are different things, but I can't see how Horus will still feel guilt or shame if he has forgiven himself.

 

No way! It was directly from him who said he was not bothered by knowing the face of the mystery dream figure. He was lying to himself and that is what the audience was reading.

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