Wulfebane Posted June 14, 2011 Author Share Posted June 14, 2011 Fair enough. It looked familiar, but being colored I didn't realize it wasn't "brand new". I only looked at the submission time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232014-blood-wolves/page/2/#findComment-2791894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Everything about this army screams awesome. Everything about this army screams Heresy. I hold true to the loyalty of the Wolves. you do realise you just said herasy is awsome.... anyway i like them. you could do so much more though with the idea but hey they aint bad. Also for those of you who says that wolves dont fall to chaos... Only the grey knights are allowed that claim(though one of them carries a deamon sword and another lives in the warp so maby they just rewrite the book...) also id imagine it would be quite easy for a chaos force to end up looking like the wolves. if you dont shave and start putting animal hides and bones etc oto your armour you do start to look wolfy. add to that adding arcain symbols to your armour and becomming more feral etc... not that hard to imagine... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232014-blood-wolves/page/2/#findComment-2791905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Honestly, I'm not certain the Wolves would devote themselves to Khorne. If anything, I would think them to be Undivided, even in the Dornian Heresy. Analysis of the mindset and lifestyle of the Wolves tends to lend the Space Wolves a leaning towards both Khorne and Tzeentch evenly, but never the twain shall meet: I think Tzeentch would come out on top of an attempt to convert the Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232014-blood-wolves/page/2/#findComment-2791964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arez Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 I'm with Lord Rags! although those models look cool, it's people like them who ruin an idea.. which in turn grows on other people, making it possible for people to suddenly write official fluff about space wolves who broke their oaths. As seen and written in the chaos codex (Huron) We have one of the most loyal chapters, who all of a sudden can now fall from grace? completely ignoring the beliefs, culture and superstition of Fenris. Not to mention the canis helix, that was originally designed by the emperor to keep chaos influence at bay. It's a fail safe! te canis helix is a fail safe.. The 13th is proof of that. Being in the eye all this time yet are still loyal. Then some fanboy decided hey, these wolves are going to turn on one another and kill everyone on board cause we lack the will and strength nit to mention ignore our teachings and go renegade with Huron. so why all of a sudden would you have oathbreakers! Sure alright its plausible, but at least they should have written it better! if anything those that do, aren't the alpha of the pack... didn't the story say they killed the wolf priest? I don't remember but yah, a wolf priest! Even a mighty wolf lord bows to a wolf priest. So yah that's my two cents. there awsome models. and where does that anvil come from on the arjac model? fantasy dwarves, look it up on the GW site LOL.you said almost that same thing as me but longer. :) Seems artist MajesticChicken recently submitted some new art to deviantART, so I thought it fitting to post here, given the current direction of the thread. "The Thirteenth" http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/164/1/1/the_thirteenth_by_majesticchicken-d3iuw30.jpg Enjoy! it's not really new art, maybe for the new wolf players.. that one is just colored. Nope seen it and im a new player (no greenhorn comments) i used the uncolored one for a project actually yesterday Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232014-blood-wolves/page/2/#findComment-2792056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Easy fluff to blag. Just use the words 'Cursed Founding' and you can pretty much justify anything. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232014-blood-wolves/page/2/#findComment-2792065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arez Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Everything about this army screams awesome. Everything about this army screams Heresy. I hold true to the loyalty of the Wolves. you do realise you just said herasy is awsome.... anyway i like them. you could do so much more though with the idea but hey they aint bad. Also for those of you who says that wolves dont fall to chaos... Only the grey knights are allowed that claim(though one of them carries a deamon sword and another lives in the warp so maby they just rewrite the book...) also id imagine it would be quite easy for a chaos force to end up looking like the wolves. if you dont shave and start putting animal hides and bones etc oto your armour you do start to look wolfy. add to that adding arcain symbols to your armour and becomming more feral etc... not that hard to imagine... The Grey Knights most likely to have lost some to chaos.They just dont want to say :) :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232014-blood-wolves/page/2/#findComment-2792067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 And will just say its information gathering. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232014-blood-wolves/page/2/#findComment-2792070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martok Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 I have a confession to make... my Wolves are chaos ... If you have read "battle of the fang" the wolf brothers were thoroughly corrupted and the way they are described is not like the wulfen at all but as mutant astartes. I had made my fluff so that my Great company were Wolf Brothers who had turned to chaos to save themselves and with Battle of the Fang including Wolf Brothers in the company of the 1ksons i think its fair to say that Sons of Russ can go Chaos.. but I would not say that sons of Fenris do (although even with that there is official cannon for Skyrars dark wolves..). - Martok13 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232014-blood-wolves/page/2/#findComment-2792095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverik_girl Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 I have a confession to make... my Wolves are chaos ... If you have read "battle of the fang" the wolf brothers were thoroughly corrupted and the way they are described is not like the wulfen at all but as mutant astartes. I had made my fluff so that my Great company were Wolf Brothers who had turned to chaos to save themselves and with Battle of the Fang including Wolf Brothers in the company of the 1ksons i think its fair to say that Sons of Russ can go Chaos.. but I would not say that sons of Fenris do (although even with that there is official cannon for Skyrars dark wolves..). - Martok13 yes, but they were disbanded, because of the obvious flaws from the helix. And these Wolf Brothers in the book weren't found in their home world.... So obviously the 1k sons did something to them to further push their current state of mutation, its easier for the thousand sons to do smaller warbands of disbanded astartes who are already flawed. far from the norm of turning into a wulfen/feral beast. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232014-blood-wolves/page/2/#findComment-2792457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martok Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I have a confession to make... my Wolves are chaos ... If you have read "battle of the fang" the wolf brothers were thoroughly corrupted and the way they are described is not like the wulfen at all but as mutant astartes. I had made my fluff so that my Great company were Wolf Brothers who had turned to chaos to save themselves and with Battle of the Fang including Wolf Brothers in the company of the 1ksons i think its fair to say that Sons of Russ can go Chaos.. but I would not say that sons of Fenris do (although even with that there is official cannon for Skyrars dark wolves..). - Martok13 yes, but they were disbanded, because of the obvious flaws from the helix. And these Wolf Brothers in the book weren't found in their home world.... So obviously the 1k sons did something to them to further push their current state of mutation, its easier for the thousand sons to do smaller warbands of disbanded astartes who are already flawed. far from the norm of turning into a wulfen/feral beast. Interesting points.. What is disbanded though? If this was the first split of the wolves they would have had a lot of resources where did these go? Also your point proves my own fluff in that if the helix is flawed in the Wolf Brothers and the 1ksons were able to manipulate it then in terms of the wolf brothers fluff is now wide open to any interpretation you like for rogue or chaos wolves. If you disagree please let me know as I would like to actually make my fluff pretty tight and this is a good slant on the hows/whys/wheres of wolves going rogue. - Martok13 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232014-blood-wolves/page/2/#findComment-2793049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 could be a splintergroup of the original legion from Terra which was created by the emperor and gifted to Russ, split off during the heresy, went rogue then? I honestly don't know if the Canis Helix used in modern days is the same as what was used way back when... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232014-blood-wolves/page/2/#findComment-2794054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Wolves never turn Chaos the only new pice of fluff chaos got from the gav dex[well other then retcons and happy chaos family] is space wolfs killing their wolf priest[you know those guys that even WL dont dare to question] and going with the awesome Huron. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232014-blood-wolves/page/2/#findComment-2794060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Wolves never turn Chaos the only new pice of fluff chaos got from the gav dex[well other then retcons and happy chaos family] is space wolfs killing their wolf priest[you know those guys that even WL dont dare to question] and going with the awesome Huron. wolves who willingly kill their wolf priest and go over to chaos, is pretty much like saying; a Space Wolf will altogether stop drinking ale for an eternity, just to serve the chaos gods; courtesy of chaos fan boys and lazy writers, who love the concept and look of everything Space Wolves, that their willing to do carbon copies of an already cool and original chapter dating back in the early rogue trader days of loyal space marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232014-blood-wolves/page/2/#findComment-2794074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 yeah, but that's just a depiction made on command of Huron, to symbolise his dream. It's also the only thing that allows him to sleep at night. if he didn't stare at that picture for a few hours before turning in, he'd scream himself awake in fear every night. poor sod :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232014-blood-wolves/page/2/#findComment-2794075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 I have a confession to make... my Wolves are chaos ... If you have read "battle of the fang" the wolf brothers were thoroughly corrupted and the way they are described is not like the wulfen at all but as mutant astartes. I had made my fluff so that my Great company were Wolf Brothers who had turned to chaos to save themselves and with Battle of the Fang including Wolf Brothers in the company of the 1ksons i think its fair to say that Sons of Russ can go Chaos.. but I would not say that sons of Fenris do (although even with that there is official cannon for Skyrars dark wolves..). - Martok13 yes, but they were disbanded, because of the obvious flaws from the helix. And these Wolf Brothers in the book weren't found in their home world.... So obviously the 1k sons did something to them to further push their current state of mutation, its easier for the thousand sons to do smaller warbands of disbanded astartes who are already flawed. far from the norm of turning into a wulfen/feral beast. Interesting points.. What is disbanded though? If this was the first split of the wolves they would have had a lot of resources where did these go? Also your point proves my own fluff in that if the helix is flawed in the Wolf Brothers and the 1ksons were able to manipulate it then in terms of the wolf brothers fluff is now wide open to any interpretation you like for rogue or chaos wolves. If you disagree please let me know as I would like to actually make my fluff pretty tight and this is a good slant on the hows/whys/wheres of wolves going rogue. - Martok13 ‘I no longer think of them as animals, Ahmuz, though I once did. I now think of them as the purest of us all. Incorruptible. Single-minded. The perfection of my father’s vision.’ - Battle of the Fang like I said... wolves who willingly kill their wolf priest and go over to chaos, is pretty much like saying; a Space Wolf will altogether STOP drinking ale for an eternity, just to serve the chaos gods; courtesy of chaos fan boys and lazy writers who love the concept and look of everything Space Wolves, that their willing to do carbon copies, of an already cool and original chapter, dating back in the early rogue trader days of loyal space marines! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232014-blood-wolves/page/2/#findComment-2794689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Ill quote what i said in the dual army thread The reason most wolves dont like this is that a lot of us where using the 3th ED codex and didn't complain, and now that we have a dex that kicks ass, all the people want to play but want to be them self so they smear the wolfs honor just so they can have our toys. Not my cup of tea, i dont like them however well there made. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232014-blood-wolves/page/2/#findComment-2794735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 I have a confession to make... my Wolves are chaos ... If you have read "battle of the fang" the wolf brothers were thoroughly corrupted and the way they are described is not like the wulfen at all but as mutant astartes. I had made my fluff so that my Great company were Wolf Brothers who had turned to chaos to save themselves and with Battle of the Fang including Wolf Brothers in the company of the 1ksons i think its fair to say that Sons of Russ can go Chaos.. but I would not say that sons of Fenris do (although even with that there is official cannon for Skyrars dark wolves..). - Martok13 yes, but they were disbanded, because of the obvious flaws from the helix. And these Wolf Brothers in the book weren't found in their home world.... So obviously the 1k sons did something to them to further push their current state of mutation, its easier for the thousand sons to do smaller warbands of disbanded astartes who are already flawed. far from the norm of turning into a wulfen/feral beast. Interesting points.. What is disbanded though? If this was the first split of the wolves they would have had a lot of resources where did these go? Also your point proves my own fluff in that if the helix is flawed in the Wolf Brothers and the 1ksons were able to manipulate it then in terms of the wolf brothers fluff is now wide open to any interpretation you like for rogue or chaos wolves. If you disagree please let me know as I would like to actually make my fluff pretty tight and this is a good slant on the hows/whys/wheres of wolves going rogue. - Martok13 ‘I no longer think of them as animals, Ahmuz, though I once did. I now think of them as the purest of us all. Incorruptible. Single-minded. The perfection of my father’s vision.’ - Battle of the Fang like I said... wolves who willingly kill their wolf priest and go over to chaos, is pretty much like saying; a Space Wolf will altogether STOP drinking ale for an eternity, just to serve the chaos gods; courtesy of chaos fan boys and lazy writers who love the concept and look of everything Space Wolves, that their willing to do carbon copies, of an already cool and original chapter, dating back in the early rogue trader days of loyal space marines! Ahhh how I love that quote, and from the Arch Warlocks lips no less. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232014-blood-wolves/page/2/#findComment-2794736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 ‘I no longer think of them as animals, Ahmuz, though I once did. I now think of them as the purest of us all. Incorruptible. Single-minded. The perfection of my father’s vision.’ - Battle of the Fang Ahhh how I love that quote, and from the Arch Warlocks lips no less. -_- aye! curse his name and may he be spit in his single eye by a fenrisian ice dragon, but the word of a primarch such as him definetly thrumps the weak fluff about huron's wolves. but i think max actually nailed it. a lot of us here are die hard space wolves who just for the sake of it needed atleast 2 other codexes to even use our army properly, even 3 if you're a 13th company player. but in wolfs honour it's also seriously hinted the canis helix and turning wulfen is our "protection" from chaos. not that going wulfen is a fate any of us could desire, for it is a faith worse than death Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232014-blood-wolves/page/2/#findComment-2794847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 ‘I no longer think of them as animals, Ahmuz, though I once did. I now think of them as the purest of us all. Incorruptible. Single-minded. The perfection of my father’s vision.’ - Battle of the Fang Ahhh how I love that quote, and from the Arch Warlocks lips no less. -_- aye! curse his name and may he be spit in his single eye by a fenrisian ice dragon, but the word of a primarch such as him definetly thrumps the weak fluff about huron's wolves. but i think max actually nailed it. a lot of us here are die hard space wolves who just for the sake of it needed atleast 2 other codexes to even use our army properly, even 3 if you're a 13th company player. but in wolfs honour it's also seriously hinted the canis helix and turning wulfen is our "protection" from chaos. not that going wulfen is a fate any of us could desire, for it is a faith worse than death I didnt realize that was in "wolf's honour". I think it was hinted at in the 13th Company IA and I just ran with. And absolutely agree. It is no honour not controlling the wolf within, even if it is a defense to the encroachment of chaos. Another good story highlighting this is "Thunder From Fenris" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232014-blood-wolves/page/2/#findComment-2794860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vantius Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 These models look good. I am always a fan of new and different styles for Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232014-blood-wolves/page/2/#findComment-2796025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 like I said... wolves who willingly kill their wolf priest and go over to chaos, is pretty much like saying; a Space Wolf will altogether STOP drinking ale for an eternity, just to serve the chaos gods; courtesy of chaos fan boys and lazy writers who love the concept and look of everything Space Wolves, that their willing to do carbon copies, of an already cool and original chapter, dating back in the early rogue trader days of loyal space marines! but you do understand that this is fluff from the last legal chaos dex and that it is official ? + it was not writen by the over hyped Ward , but by the genius of fluff Gav Thorpe . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232014-blood-wolves/page/2/#findComment-2796082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 like I said... wolves who willingly kill their wolf priest and go over to chaos, is pretty much like saying; a Space Wolf will altogether STOP drinking ale for an eternity, just to serve the chaos gods; courtesy of chaos fan boys and lazy writers who love the concept and look of everything Space Wolves, that their willing to do carbon copies, of an already cool and original chapter, dating back in the early rogue trader days of loyal space marines! but you do understand that this is fluff from the last legal chaos dex and that it is official ? + it was not writen by the over hyped Ward , but by the genius of fluff Gav Thorpe . yes, I know I'm not blind just yet. But that doesn't mean I'm not entitled to what I had to say about the subject. By your statement, your pretty much telling me that if some writer all of a sudden made Bruce Wayne into a Korean, then we are all suppose to accept the fact that the Bruce Wayne we all grew up to know, is now Korean. I'm gonna dumb it down for everybody... you know how Nick Fury was Caucasian, and then all of a sudden they change him into an African American..... riiiiiiiiiiite. So now you have kids growing up in a new generation knowing and believing that Nick Fury is African American, when the original goes back to the early days to WWII. Does that make it right for all those people who lived and fought in that era? does that make it right now, to change a character in such a way, that his history and everything about him, and everything that he stands for during those times when the entire world and generation of children needed heroes? this is pretty much in parallel with what was established with the Space Wolves from the beginning. I'm not saying it's wrong, but it doesn't mean it's not right either... it's all about principal, you have yours and I have mine. So what is official really? it all comes down to the person and their beliefs! and I believe what I wrote in that quote above. For the All-Father, for Russ, and for Fenris! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232014-blood-wolves/page/2/#findComment-2796090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 maybe we should change our never-turned-to-chaos-status into never-turned-to-chaos-besides-those-who-sided-with-huron Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232014-blood-wolves/page/2/#findComment-2796091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted June 18, 2011 Author Share Posted June 18, 2011 What? Bruce Wayne isn't asian? But.. I thought he was a ninja! Oh, and we evolved from space aliens. Mass religion is only the now-official story because of the writers. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232014-blood-wolves/page/2/#findComment-2796100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 What? Bruce Wayne isn't asian? But.. I thought he was a ninja! Oh, and we evolved from space aliens. Mass religion is only the now-official story because of the writers. ;) and this is how we always seem to get off-topic... ;) especially when the honor and image of our chapter is put into question. I'm not gonna bother anymore, as I've said and put it out there already. There's no point of repeating myself! We all have our ideologies and we're all entitled to them ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232014-blood-wolves/page/2/#findComment-2796104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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