Essayons Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 I've been out of the hobby for a bit, and imagine my surprise at re-entering when I discovered that there are no "Inquisitorial Storm Troopers" any more. What the hell am I going to do with all of these Kasrkin models that I've amassed? I know I can build around Coteaz, but that leaves me with a buttload of troops, but really nothing more. Is there any rumor of subsequent use of the Inquisitorial Stormtroopers? Is there any way to build an elite army of IG with them perhaps? Blech, E. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232084-what-to-do-with-kasrkin-models/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 You can still use them in sisters, or use them as Guard Veterans with carapace. Or they can look pretty, which is what mine do, unless they're in Apoc. Then they cause death. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232084-what-to-do-with-kasrkin-models/#findComment-2791635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 You can use them exactly as you did in the previous codex: as Inquisitorial Stormtroopers; ie Troops choices. Everything about them is the same as in the old codex...so what's the problem/difference? They lose a point of BS but gain more/better weapon options. They are more versatile than before. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232084-what-to-do-with-kasrkin-models/#findComment-2791643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larkyn Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 You can use them exactly as you did in the previous codex: as Inquisitorial Stormtroopers; ie Troops choices. Everything about them is the same as in the old codex...so what's the problem/difference? They lose a point of BS but gain more/better weapon options. They are more versatile than before. Not exactly. They become "Warrior Acolytes" armed with hot-shot lasguns. So, they're a bit different. Granted, I don't believe Inquisitorial hot-shots Get Hot, but the boost in AP makes them even better, true. AND EDIT: In addition, they don't become Troops unless you take Coteaz. But if you want a Storm Trooper army, you should be taking him anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232084-what-to-do-with-kasrkin-models/#findComment-2791653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Lost Soldier Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 You have to take Coteaz now if you want a non GK based army, no getting around it. It is somewhat of a consolation that he is quite good for his points. I too lamented the loss of the IST, as I have plenty of kasrkin models. They are still useful however. Best bet is to use them as warrior acolytes. You can count the suped up lasguns they hold as boltgun equivalents, keeps them cheap and scoring. The special weapons are still there, you can now have 3 melta/plasma/flamer, however you lose BS4 in the trade off. Carapace armour is something to consider, though it starts to drive the price up. Still, a carapace warrior acolyte with boltgun counts as comes in 1pt cheaper than the old ISTs, and you get a better gun at the cost of reduced BS. The best part now comes in their combination with other choices and far superior transport options. In particular the combat choices got significantly better with DCAs and Crusaders in the mix, and cheap Inquisitors for support. In this role they can open up the cans that combat squads are heading towards anyway. They can still do the special weapon squad set up that was most used last codex, and also can make excellent bodies in servitor squads. Here's a few examples: 3 Warrior Acolytes, 3 Melta, 5 DCA, Rhino 157pt. 8 Warrior Acolytes, 3 Melta/Plasma, 5 Boltguns, Rhino 107pt. 3 Multimelta Servitors, 5 Warrior Acolytes, 5 Boltguns, Chimera, Multilaser, Heavy Flamer 110pt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232084-what-to-do-with-kasrkin-models/#findComment-2791681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Not exactly. They become "Warrior Acolytes" armed with hot-shot lasguns. So, they're a bit different. Granted, I don't believe Inquisitorial hot-shots Get Hot, but the boost in AP makes them even better, true.Pedantic semantics ;). In the age of "counts-as," they are every bit of stormtrooper that you want them to be, and the rules support it. They just lost a little shooting skill :). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232084-what-to-do-with-kasrkin-models/#findComment-2791765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essayons Posted June 15, 2011 Author Share Posted June 15, 2011 Thanks for the input guys, but frankly, whoever made the decision to remove the "inducted units" rules f'd up. This has resulted in a less-interesting and less-fun set of rules for Inquisitorial units. Too bad. E. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232084-what-to-do-with-kasrkin-models/#findComment-2792858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefireinferno Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Or we can have moderate rule balance and everyone wins at being able to have fun? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232084-what-to-do-with-kasrkin-models/#findComment-2792868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Personally I don't see a large problem with it. Sure, I only get one or two units now containing my "ISTs" in a normal game, but Apocalypse doesn't care about how many henchmen units you use, and a hot-shot lasgun is better than a hellgun ever was. They're still affordable, so a small loss of BS isn't that big a deal considering the boost in AP we just got. That and they still look snazzy ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232084-what-to-do-with-kasrkin-models/#findComment-2793416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marid Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 A couple of points to add: 1) I don't think I would add servitors unless you plan to have an inquisitor attached. Mindlock is nasty. I'd rather not flip a coin to see if I can use my unit unless it is a throwaway. 2) Consider adding a Jokaero. Any of his bonuses are great for an 'IST' warrior. Hotshot lasguns with a 30" range or rending, power armor class saves, or a 5+ invulnerable. All nice. You might even get two. Plus you get a flexible gun platform that won't mindlock on you. If you don't like the monkey, I'm sure a Tech Priest would be a fluffy counts-as. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232084-what-to-do-with-kasrkin-models/#findComment-2794162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE PORTCULLIS Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 For shooty options in the henchman group you only really have the warrior acolyte. As already mentioned, you can proxy them as boltguns or else you can use them as hotshots, to be honest I'm not sure I'll bother using my old IST for anything again. The servitor is good only if you have an inquisitor. Needless to say the servitor with any of the availiable guns is strong when combined with Coteaz - Theres no danger of nasty reserves dropping down. If you don't want to shoot its Death Cult Assassins and Crusaders in a combo as your bread and butter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232084-what-to-do-with-kasrkin-models/#findComment-2794764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSargeantDaro Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Brothers, I play with Tau, Imperial Guard, Black Templars, and recently, Grey Knights. You want to know what to do with your kasrkin models? Stick them into 3 Vendetta Gunships for your imperial army, and watch them wreck havoc... or make them veterans.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232084-what-to-do-with-kasrkin-models/#findComment-2794802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
templargdt Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 I've been trying out Corteaz and using your ISTs as warriors with bolters is a great move. Stick them in cover and you are basically getting amazingly chearp space marine scouts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232084-what-to-do-with-kasrkin-models/#findComment-2795155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevianID Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 How many Kasrkin we talking here? And what else do you have army wise? As some have said, if you have enough other stuff then you can play them as IG. Or, if you have rhinos for your transport, 2 jokero (converted as mobile weapons or some such) and 8 regular guys is a great little unit, as the jokero get the fortitude 2 hatch rhino to shoot from, and if you roll a cool power like rending or 4+ armor, your more like your old selves. Bolters are also sweet as mentioned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232084-what-to-do-with-kasrkin-models/#findComment-2795296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyalist Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 I've got 70 Kasrkin, 30 of which were to have Inquisition insignia as part of my 'sister-less' Witch Hunters army, the rest being used as 2 squads of IG Stormtroopers and 2 of Veterans in carapace armour. Though they were removed from the Grey Knight Codex and will reportedly be missing from the new Witch Hunters codex (along with my more numerous Arbites) there are still uses for all of them. I'm still painting 2 squads with Inqusition symbols on the shoulder pads and in a grey scheme rather than the green of the IG Kasrkin and Veteran squads. Those 2 squads will be usd as GK Warbands with Coteaz as an HQ. Alternatively, all 70 can form an IG force, especially in a Planetstrike or Armageddon game with more than 3 troop or elite choices. Same situation for my 90+ Adeptus Arbites, dozens of which were converted to plastic lasguns with 2 squads retaining their bolters. The latter can be used as Warrirors in a GK army and the rest as carapace armoured IG units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232084-what-to-do-with-kasrkin-models/#findComment-2795572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE PORTCULLIS Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Loyalist, that sux. I know you can still use them and all but with the release of a codex you have had all those models sidelined breaks my heart. I have about 20 kaskarin and luckily I play IG too so I'm fine, just gotta repaint them. Had I not got that I'd load them onto ebay pronto! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232084-what-to-do-with-kasrkin-models/#findComment-2795575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 I'm just going to give mine to a buddy that collects IG for him to use as Veterans (or whatever he wishes). Of course, I just have two squads, so not a huge deal really, and a pleasant surprise for him. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232084-what-to-do-with-kasrkin-models/#findComment-2796787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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