Student Of Dorn Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 In the Second Founding how was it decided who got to lead the new chapters?? I am guessing that the Primarchs decided, but what about those chapters that didn't have a primarch left?? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232107-who-gets-to-lead-a-chapter/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codicier Lucion Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 I think most of the leaders of new chapters were selected because they were already high ranking individuals within the legion. For example the Imperial Fists' successor chapters Black Templars and Crimson Fists were led by two individuals who served as Dorn's right hands. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232107-who-gets-to-lead-a-chapter/#findComment-2791930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Indeed, or it may be Captains with high standing. I would think several of the Ultramarines' successors would have had an ex-captain at their head. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232107-who-gets-to-lead-a-chapter/#findComment-2792012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 The legions were subdivided into chapters, all of which were led by a chapter master. Question answered. The IF are unique, as they were ruined after the scouring, and were massively depleted. Their breakdown into subchapters was done on mentality of the recruits, as opposed to the standard chapter structure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232107-who-gets-to-lead-a-chapter/#findComment-2792117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubermensch Commander Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 They play Rock, Paper, Scissors, obviously. Best two out of three. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232107-who-gets-to-lead-a-chapter/#findComment-2792135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee265 Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 The legions were subdivided into chapters, all of which were led by a chapter master. Question answered. The IF are unique, as they were ruined after the scouring, and were massively depleted. Their breakdown into subchapters was done on mentality of the recruits, as opposed to the standard chapter structure. They weren't all subdivided this way. The Space wolves still don't really follow this. I'm sure breakdown sizes were different to so what is 1000 now may have been half a legion chapter for those that did have chapters or might be 2 or three cobeled together. For the most part it would have been captains that had seinority (first captains, chapter masters if the legion had them) or primarchs choice if he lived. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232107-who-gets-to-lead-a-chapter/#findComment-2792199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Student Of Dorn Posted June 14, 2011 Author Share Posted June 14, 2011 I know that the IF was devided by age, zeal and stuff but what about the other legions? Did they play "Eeny, meeny, miny, moe" to decide who is now a Doom Eagle, White Consul or a Novamarine Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232107-who-gets-to-lead-a-chapter/#findComment-2792379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 The legions were already subdivided into chapters, they just had an extra level of organization for the legion. So whoever was leading the 42nd chapter of the Ultramarines got the Hitchhikers chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232107-who-gets-to-lead-a-chapter/#findComment-2792385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 They weren't all subdivided this way. The Space wolves still don't really follow this. The Space Wolves were also never really "split up" as a Legion. Leman Russ put all the Wolf-Bitten into the Wolf Brothers, but the rest of the Space Wolves Legion remained much as it was. DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232107-who-gets-to-lead-a-chapter/#findComment-2792386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imriel Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I know that the IF was devided by age, zeal and stuffbut what about the other legions? Did they play "Eeny, meeny, miny, moe" to decide who is now a Doom Eagle, White Consul or a Novamarine The Legion subdivisions may have already had names and iconography, e.g. The Word Bearer's Serrated Suns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232107-who-gets-to-lead-a-chapter/#findComment-2793389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradill Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Well yes, the chapters were already present in at least some of the legions, but their size and organisational doctrine was different to the chapters as we think of them today, at least by my understanding. Taking the Serrated Sun chapter of the word bearers as a standard example, this chapter consisted of three companies, others consisted of more companies dependant on their standing in the legion. Depending on company size it meant that the serrated sun had either 300 (100 marines per company, as M41. standard) or 3000 (the more commonly figured out 1000 marines per company pre-heresy). Furthermore, taking the Sons of Orar chapter, we know that Orar was an Ultramarine captain who won much renown during the Heresy and the Scouring, seeing as they claim him as a 'spiritual patriarch' the Sons of Orar are likely to have been those marines under his command during these times and subsequently those that followed him into the new chapter. Even if Orar was more than just a successful captain, a chapter master within the Ultramarines legion, how would he decide which 1000 of his battle brothers would become Sons of Orar and which would have to stay Ultramarines/ become doom eagles, Genesis Chapter, Novamarines etc..? Saying "Chapters existed within legions, easy to split them up" is a little bit inaccurate. Though going by the same name, they aren't definitely the same thing and most certainly, most of the legion chapters would have had too many or too few marines to become fully functional new chapters after the scouring.. I can ask for a slice of cake, it doesn't mean it will always be the same size, or even the same type of cake... Paradill Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232107-who-gets-to-lead-a-chapter/#findComment-2793401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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