henrywalker Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I saw this on the GW site http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/...p?aId=16800105a i really like the idea and i have been umming and aahing over whether i should collect chaos or wolves for my next army. i figure with these i could play them as either. any thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232210-dual-army-idea/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 go wolves. chaos just sucks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232210-dual-army-idea/#findComment-2793185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphus Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I say go for it! The models look cool and you're sure to get some looks from Space Wolves and Chaos players alike. ;) I'm short on time so just looking at the article makes me think this was a converted job? It would certainly save on buying doubles of everything. Perhaps as a stage of the 13th Company? :EDIT: go wolves. chaos just sucks I think he's looking for a valid opinion here mate, not one sided bias :) Chaos can play quite well, most armies can. Wolves and Chaos have different squad sizes and gear and such so representing them could be a challenge. It would be interesting to see what the Chaos forums of the B&C think of your option here :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232210-dual-army-idea/#findComment-2793189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthstar Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 The Chaos codex isn't utterly fail, but there is a reason I've seen more and more chaos players reaching out and using other codex. It's far too dated. Like the Necrons, it's just fallen too far behind the codex creep. Playing blood wolves would give you a platform to play off of though when the new codex finally does come out at least, although at that point Khorn may not be the way you'll want to go, but who knows with GW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232210-dual-army-idea/#findComment-2793238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 it has nothing to do with creep . Just at the times of JJ/Gav dex we were told that w40k is going to be streamlined with fewer options etc. well GW kind of stoped that after 2 dex . Imagine playing SW with one HQ [including specials] where one upgrade is auto include for all[wings in case of chaos]. hvy support ? oblits . FA ? does not exist . elite ? doesnt fit under 1750 and when we get is suicide units [3 man 3 combi termis . 5 chosen 5 specials] and suck [dreads , possessed etc]. pms/zerker mix are superior to csm builds . with both set ups having identical game play . If someone plays NM/1ksons or an AC/plas build with csm he gets a "fluffy" list . as the double list goes. list show is not a double list . chaos does not use terminator lords cant use terminator armor for leaders , neither does it have any access to drop pods . Dude just wanted to have a nice [not arguing with looks] army and picked a dex with more builds and more options . nothing special . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232210-dual-army-idea/#findComment-2793428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I saw this on the GW site http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/...p?aId=16800105a i really like the idea and i have been umming and aahing over whether i should collect chaos or wolves for my next army. i figure with these i could play them as either. any thoughts? oathbreaker! :huh: haha jk Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232210-dual-army-idea/#findComment-2793594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Wulfen Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 so does this mean i can play sw with eldar or sw with tau :lol: but in all koolness the models are kool and play what u want. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232210-dual-army-idea/#findComment-2793899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 The reason most wolves dont like this is that a lot of us where using the 3th ED codex and didn't complain, and now that we have a dex that kicks ass, all the people want to play but want to be them self so they smear the wolfs honor just so they can have our toys. Not my cup of tea, i dont like them however well there made. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232210-dual-army-idea/#findComment-2794252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphus Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 The reason most wolves dont like this is that a lot of us where using the 3th ED codex and didn't complain, and now that we have a dex that kicks ass, all the people want to play but want to be them self so they smear the wolfs honor just so they can have our toys. Not my cup of tea, i dont like them however well there made. Sorry Max you're going to have to go technical on me. I don't get what you're saying. :o Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232210-dual-army-idea/#findComment-2795271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 The reason most wolves dont like this is that a lot of us where using the 3th ED codex and didn't complain, and now that we have a dex that kicks ass, all the people want to play but want to be them self so they smear the wolfs honor just so they can have our toys. Not my cup of tea, i dont like them however well there made. Sorry Max you're going to have to go technical on me. I don't get what you're saying. :D well a lot of us have been playing their wolves with the 3rd edition SW codex ever since it was released. many years passed, 4th edition passed and we needed to buy the "new" SM codex, then 5th edition came and once more we sticked to our wolves, buying yet another SM codex to keep playing our army. during that period most players who joined the wolves did it because they loved the fluff and theme. it's kind a like necron players nowaday, only their hardcore fans still play them. every time you walked into a player using the SW dex you just knew he was as much a lover of their fluff as you were. but suddently we got a new dex, and things changed a lot. where before the space wolf players had been a "select" group of players who totally loved the spirit of the wolves we had now become a mainstream army and not only were we mainstream but on top of that we also have a really well balanced and highly competitive codex. count-as space wolves armies started to pop up everywhere where before most of us only had seen other space wolves. instead of playing space wolves for their fluff we now have a lot of players playing them for their dex. there's nothing wrong with the later, but they just have a very different motivation for playing with wolves Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232210-dual-army-idea/#findComment-2795353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Not being funny but the Chaos Marine dex is junk. You cannot create a decent list with any variety at all. I wanted to do a fluffy Slaanesh army for quite a while and just could do anything half decent. So many chaos players use 'counts as' lists and frankly I don't blame them. I do agree that the SW dex isn't really Khorne (been with chaos since Lost and the Damned) but compared to the chaos dex, its much closer and you have more options to try. Don't call me a heretic yet, I've grown to love the SW dex for the space wolves themselves but Chaos is about as chaotic as a jam tart with badly made custard. No flavor to it at all and creating lists is no fun whatsoever anymore. My two pence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232210-dual-army-idea/#findComment-2795711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 I get that but than try and make a list that is fluffy for your army, chaos doesnt use pods, so dont use them, the thunder mounts and wolves can be proxied but some things are pure loyalist, so stay away from them, AND dont smear the wolfs honour by making chaos spacewolves, sure some have fallen to chaos but not enough at any single time to get a full army Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232210-dual-army-idea/#findComment-2795729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 This whole thing of Chaos doesn't use.........its rubbish. Chaos will use what ever they can get hold off. It's not restrained by the restrictive mentality which is drummed into the Imperium. There are different parts to Chaos too. From the Legions who didn't have drop pods when they turned to chapters and companies who have turned more recently. And don't forget that Chaos forces raid and pillage. So why do they still get lumped with the old 'they didn't have them before the horus heresy'. As you can tell, I don't agree with how Chaos forces are portrayed currently so cannot blame players for using imperial codexs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232210-dual-army-idea/#findComment-2796204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 This whole thing of Chaos doesn't use.........its rubbish. Chaos will use what ever they can get hold off. it is in the chaos dex. when they turned to chapters and companies who have turned more recently. and chaos players were told by both JJ , both the desingers of the dex and other GW staff that the chaos dex we have now is not a legion dex and more a renegade marines one [duh as we didnt notice] . there is no loyalist tech , combi bolters everywhere ,non relentless termis , no pods , reapers etc . This means chaos renegades must destroy [probably ritualy] all their loyalist stuff before going chaos. So why do they still get lumped with the old 'they didn't have them before the horus heresy'. because of the same reasone why loyalist dont get female marines . Because GW says so. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232210-dual-army-idea/#findComment-2796207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Not discounting what you are saying at all but if you look at what a lot of the Chaos force do and how they would have to keep themselves in operation. It's all about pillaging. Need more tanks....go on a raid. Gene seed....raid. Slaves raid. Just says to me that they shouldn't be reduced to the equipment that they have used since they were created. Their armour is often hybrid and imperial equipment is often found in their possession. What people need to bare in mind with it all is that its a hobby that involves the imagination of those involved. Just because one writer says that all marines walk right foot first, doesn't make it law. If someone likes the look of Chaos but hates the rules then the imperial Codexes are a good sub. Using a Tyranid dex for guard........no way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232210-dual-army-idea/#findComment-2796228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 This is what i meen by wanting our toys. I know the chaos dex is bad and making a force using sw will be better, but your chaos in core so use there way of fighting and restrict yourself. Or play sw I know it wont make sense to most but its the way i feel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232210-dual-army-idea/#findComment-2796306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Completely agree Max. Players should be able to feel that they can play the army the love with a codex which fits the background/ fluff of the army. Sad to say that theirs really doesn't unless you are using a renegade chapter. Although, even then it would be an older Renegade force with older equipment. Space Wolf players have been really lucky to have a characterful Codex which can support different builds and still work. Also without being overpowered. Chaos players have been cheated for years. Out of date Codex, model range and a chunk of its character as a seperate army. It's no wonder you find Khorne players using the SW dex & Night Lords using BA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232210-dual-army-idea/#findComment-2796359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 I know the chaos dex is bad and making a force using sw will be better, but your chaos in core so use there way of fighting and restrict yourself. rengede sm force[not legion] DP[realy sorc and lords are bad] 3x10 csm dual melt fist champ 2 dakka preds 1 unit of havocks then do wolf priest 3x9 GH squads dual melta totem power 2xdakka pred 1 unit of long fangs chaos can only do short range assault [sw can do more like razo spams or drop pod lists] SW do the same only for cheaper[preds cheaper , LF cheaper then havocks and better , HQ cheaper better support [or one can go wild and buy a TWC lord with eternal warrior which will be exactly like a demon prince] for the same list . Most chaos players legions or not dont have problems with GK or BAs or even loyalist sm [even if it actualy is sometimes easier to make armies like raptor cults or alfa legion or EC with those] , because the armies have a different game style then chaos [or most of it . not even the most hardcore raptor fan would say chaos should have raptors as troops] . SW have are identical game play only they do everything better [better power , psychic defense units with same or better set up costing the same or less . identical units costing less etc]. So what do you mean by saying play the chaos way [which more or less is 2xDP 3xtroops max out oblits]. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232210-dual-army-idea/#findComment-2797304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 What i mean is make a chaos force not a chaos SW force and smear there honor. Its not hard to use a demon as a thundermount and normal chaos troops as GH, but no they have to make chaos SW. Or stick it out just like we did with our 3th ED dex, I know what the chaos dex is old, but the SW dex was way older. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232210-dual-army-idea/#findComment-2797750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Or stick it out just like we did with our 3th ED dex quoted for respect mate! i even miss my old dex from time to time Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232210-dual-army-idea/#findComment-2797788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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