MagicMan Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 So i was reading the new Age of Darkness novel today (Its much better than the last collection of stories) and i was reading Rebirth when i noticed a couple of things, im sure most people who've read it did. It seems like GW is getting behind the whole Blood Ravens = TS thing. SPOILERS AHEAD 1. Arvida knows hes going to survive the encounter with the World Eaters, so he could go on to found the Blood Ravens. 2. He notes how he never had faith in Magnus. 3. He predicts the future (like the B.R., and uses it to plan his attacks after considering all eventualitys.) 4. He says ''Knowledge is Power'' as his last words in the short story, which is the B.R. motto, more or less. 5. It talks about him being of the Corvidae fellowship, and highlights the raven symbol on his shoulderguard. Im pretty sure Corvidae is latin for raven or crow. 6. Awww yeaah. Discusssssss. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232241-blood-ravens-age-of-darkness/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Garrod Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 i picked up on this too ( it is laid on with a trowel lol ) its an interesting concept , but begs the question how did this escape the notice of the big I Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232241-blood-ravens-age-of-darkness/#findComment-2793524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 It seems like GW is getting behind the whole Blood Ravens = TS thing. I sincerely doubt we'll see any more mentions of it outside a DoW game. Take that however you wish. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232241-blood-ravens-age-of-darkness/#findComment-2793562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I can't figure out how to black out the text so warning, [] [] Inside one set "spoiler". Inside the latter set "/spoiler". EDIT: Also, it's a terrible, terrible, concept designed to provide another twist and tie things together. Some things should be left alone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232241-blood-ravens-age-of-darkness/#findComment-2793574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted June 15, 2011 Author Share Posted June 15, 2011 I sincerely doubt we'll see any more mentions of it outside a DoW game. Take that however you wish. Shame. Also, it's a terrible, terrible, concept designed to provide another twist and tie things together. Some things should be left alone. You think so? I really like the idea. I have no idea how they would've gotten away with it, but i think its great nonetheless. With the Sons of all the legions (besides Alpha) in that they didn't even want to turn traitor, they were forced to. Its cool to have some of them still kicking butt, for goodness! (If you get that reference, good on you, haha.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232241-blood-ravens-age-of-darkness/#findComment-2793600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Also, it's a terrible, terrible, concept designed to provide another twist and tie things together. Some things should be left alone. You think so? I really like the idea. I have no idea how they would've gotten away with it, but i think its great nonetheless. It's like someone said "Hey, I've got this great way we can tie this randomly created Chapter in to the universe as a whole...". Also, I'll mention that I'm a purist, elitist and a hypocrite :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232241-blood-ravens-age-of-darkness/#findComment-2793604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 i picked up on this too ( it is laid on with a trowel lol )its an interesting concept , but begs the question how did this escape the notice of the big I Who's to say it didn't? Remember the Inquisition is an organization filled with individuals, some of whom decided that helping create a Chapter founded essentially on Traitor geneseed is a good idea... as well as pioneering concepts like daemonic possession thereapy. They're at civil war with themselves in the shadows, dabble in warp energies and things like hellrifles and daemonblades, and will sacrifice entire worlds to kill Chaos if need be. I imagine their first reaction could be something like this: "You mean there's a group of Space Marines that could be roughly Chapter sized with strong psychic potential and gifts, loyal to the Emperor, who would be great at predicting enemy movements and battling chaos psykers? Cool.. here, give me that white out... there, you're um.. now without records of your founding. Go kill bad guys or something so we don't have to axe you later. Remember, you owe us.. we'll be in touch." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232241-blood-ravens-age-of-darkness/#findComment-2793621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Garrod Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 i suppose , and the varying factions of the inquisition didnt exist / were as prominant back then Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232241-blood-ravens-age-of-darkness/#findComment-2793647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Check the introduction to the Thorian Sourcebook for the Inquisitor Game, as it has fluff going and starting right at the Emperor's Internment into the Golden Throne concerning the Inquisition. There's definate factions and shadow warfare going on, it's just with the huge span of time naturally there exist more factions in "current" time than in "historical" time of 40K. Yes, they're less common, but they're still there. The Inquisition is not a unified body, even at it's creation.. it is a collection of individuals, each with their own goals and motives. It is quite plausible that one such individual knew about the Blood Ravens (if this theory of Thousand Sons origin is correct) and used their power to help ensure the groups survival. I won't say my idea is the sole correct one, but it does fit the information we have available as well as an Occum's Razor test. The fact that it seems very implausible that the Inquisition didn't know and that if the Inquisition didn't know the whole circumstances would be far more complicated means that the simplest answer is probably the correct one. They did know and they let it happen for their own reasons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232241-blood-ravens-age-of-darkness/#findComment-2793653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Garrod Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 yeah , I havent read that sourcebook , thanks for filling me in on that though :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232241-blood-ravens-age-of-darkness/#findComment-2793657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 It is (or was/should be) a free download on the GW Website under their Specialist Games section... definately worth the read if you're an Inquisition fan like I am :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232241-blood-ravens-age-of-darkness/#findComment-2793662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Garrod Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I'll go give it a read :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232241-blood-ravens-age-of-darkness/#findComment-2793677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I think its obvious enough that its no longer a cool 'what if', and instead makes us wonder, why dont the ][ get involved, why havent the gene-seed scans/tests by the Ad-Mech thrown* out any obvious findings, or are they just randomly going through the universe, reliant upon no one but themselves (unlikely). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232241-blood-ravens-age-of-darkness/#findComment-2793714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clewz Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Also how did they manage to stop the flesh change when Magnus the Red failed and why hasn't he corrupted them back to the fold? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232241-blood-ravens-age-of-darkness/#findComment-2793729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted June 15, 2011 Author Share Posted June 15, 2011 ...The Emperor did it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232241-blood-ravens-age-of-darkness/#findComment-2793733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 That or the Flesh Change was merely a tool used by Tzeentch to make Magnus force his hand, and after Magnus turned with the majority of the Legion, Tzeentch quit caring about tracking down all the stragglers. Mission accomplished and all that. There is also the possibility of Eldar involvement, due to evidence in the Dawn of War third novel showing the two forces working before way back when as well as documentation in the Black Library (the Eldar one :lol: ) showing that the Harlequins had knowledge of the Chapter's history. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232241-blood-ravens-age-of-darkness/#findComment-2793738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codicier Lucion Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 There's nothing really wrong with the story, it leaves just enough hints to make Blood Raven's fans consider the serious possibility that they descend from the Thousand Sons. Everyone who doesn't can just say they they've never directly confirmed the link so there's still a chance they're not. So long as they don't make the major mistake of confirming their origins, fifth edition Grey Knights come to mind, the story can create some interesting fan theories. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232241-blood-ravens-age-of-darkness/#findComment-2793746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 It seems like GW is getting behind the whole Blood Ravens = TS thing. I sincerely doubt we'll see any more mentions of it outside a DoW game. Take that however you wish. Well, there's always the scene from A Thousand Sons where the remembrancer whose brain was being fried started screaming about ravens of blood to fall back on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232241-blood-ravens-age-of-darkness/#findComment-2793858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 It seems like GW is getting behind the whole Blood Ravens = TS thing. I sincerely doubt we'll see any more mentions of it outside a DoW game. Take that however you wish. Well, there's always the scene from A Thousand Sons where the remembrancer whose brain was being fried started screaming about ravens of blood to fall back on. In Graham's own words, that was a Corvidae reference. But Age of Darkness was released a full year after A Thousand Sons. I'm saying I doubt there'll be any more mentions of it from now on, outside of a DoW game. Call it a hunch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232241-blood-ravens-age-of-darkness/#findComment-2793874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 13th Goat Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Not to point out the obvious, but hasn't this thread already brought up here? Just pointing it out. Saves AD-B reposting everything he mentioned there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232241-blood-ravens-age-of-darkness/#findComment-2793901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 Yeah that is pretty much this thread, oh well. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232241-blood-ravens-age-of-darkness/#findComment-2794185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brannick Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 The 'powers that be' at the BL/GW have laid the smack down on the Blood Raven/Corvidae linkage then! 'Thou shall not bow down to the demands of Relic/THQ and, if you do, then you don't get to write a HH book for the Siege of Terra, so there.' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232241-blood-ravens-age-of-darkness/#findComment-2794632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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