Rain Finale Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I'm sure you've heard it before perhaps under a different term but the idea is to create the worst possible tournament legal list you can. You then swap lists/armies with opponents and try to beat them. It's then in your best interest to create the worst possible list you can to give to your opponent. Unfortunately, I don't think I can make a terrible enough list considering my opponents are Tau and either Eldar or Necrons. Problem is being forced to use a troop choice and our troops are just too good. Well, that in mind, I came up with this as a worst list: Rune Priest: Thunderclap, Storm Caller Chooser of the Slain, Master of Runes, Melta Bombs, Jump Pack, WTT, WTN, Saga of the Warror Born Rune Priest: Storm Caller, Tempest Wrath Chooser of the Slain, Master of Runes, Melta Bombs, Space Marine Bike, WTT, WTN, Saga of the Beast Slayer 3x WG: #1: 2x TH, MotW, Melta Bombs, Space Marine Bike #2: 2x SS, Melta Bombs, Space Marine Bike #3: 2x SS, Melta Bombs, Jump Pack Drop pod: Deathwind Missile Launcher 5x Blood Claws 5x Blood Claws 999 pts Well, that's about the worst I can do. But I don't think it's going to be bad enough. How about you? Can you do worse than this? :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232261-worst-list-tournament/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarapham Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 HQ: Logan Grimnar Troops: 9x Wolf Guard - 2x Storm Shields for each WG, Melta Bombs 1x Wolf Guard - 2x Storm Shields Split those WG into two squads as you wish. 1000p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232261-worst-list-tournament/#findComment-2793700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderhawk3015 Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Or you could make a good list, learn the other armies, then shame your opponents by beating their pants off with them having the "good" list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232261-worst-list-tournament/#findComment-2793728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Finale Posted June 15, 2011 Author Share Posted June 15, 2011 Or you could make a good list, learn the other armies, then shame your opponents by beating their pants off with them having the "good" list. That's planned too, but this is more of a "for fun" thing. One person is building a Tau list consisting of 2 minimum squads of fire warriors bubble wrapped by crisis suits with no weapons! and a bunch of marker light drones :lol: EDIT: Plus having a goal of shaming your friends seems in bad form to me, but then our LGS is more about having fun than WAAC Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232261-worst-list-tournament/#findComment-2793760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalachiOfRuss Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Take Canis Wolfborn and nothing but Fenrisian Wolves. You will be unable to claim any objectives, shoot (no ranged weapons), or attack anything that is 1 level up in a ruin. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232261-worst-list-tournament/#findComment-2793778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Use Canis with all the rest of the pts in fenrisian wolves. ---- Whoops, Ninja'd Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232261-worst-list-tournament/#findComment-2793781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Finale Posted June 15, 2011 Author Share Posted June 15, 2011 Take Canis Wolfborn and nothing but Fenrisian Wolves. You will be unable to claim any objectives, shoot (no ranged weapons), or attack anything that is 1 level up in a ruin. LMAO! Brilliant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232261-worst-list-tournament/#findComment-2793783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Take Canis Wolfborn and nothing but Fenrisian Wolves. You will be unable to claim any objectives, shoot (no ranged weapons), or attack anything that is 1 level up in a ruin. I've actually considered this for a tournament, just to see the faces of my opponents. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232261-worst-list-tournament/#findComment-2793908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 I've played this in a tournament... and kicked some serious arse :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232261-worst-list-tournament/#findComment-2793920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Wulfen Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 man great minds must think alike i had this army running around in my head to lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232261-worst-list-tournament/#findComment-2793922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrisWolf Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Yes there is the Canis list. I ran that in a tournament. In a 1000 points, you can fit 101 fenrisian wolves if you modify the force org chart to allow 7 troop choices. I painted mine withe with black spots as a one off (easy to paint over!) If you want regular units, try this list: HQ: WGBL w PF, TH, MotW, MB, RA, WTT, WtN and a Jump Pack and Saga of the Warrior Born WGBL w PF, TH, MB, WTT WGBL in TDA w PF, TH, MotW, MB, WtN and Saga of the Wolfkin Troops: 5 Blood claws no options 5 Blood claws no options Elites: 3 Iron Priest each with WTT, WtN, and Bolt Pistol and three servitors The list should not be hard to take out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232261-worst-list-tournament/#findComment-2793927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 i am under the impression that crisis suits MUST have suit options purchased? or are the basic rules being ignored for this event? WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232261-worst-list-tournament/#findComment-2793928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Finale Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 i am under the impression that crisis suits MUST have suit options purchased? or are the basic rules being ignored for this event? WLK They must, but the hard points they have (3) can be used entirely for war gear (including an upgrade that doesn't even do anything in fifth edition) and no weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232261-worst-list-tournament/#findComment-2794049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 But of course, the three mandatory upgrades would be: Targeting Array, for that handy +1 BS upgrade Target Lock, in order to fire both the weapons you have equipped instead of just the one Black Sun Filter, to light your way at night. Bazinga. DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232261-worst-list-tournament/#findComment-2794055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 ad 3 lonewolves with nothing and ignore them, down 3 kill points :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232261-worst-list-tournament/#findComment-2794089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kami Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 i think now would be the time to break out our wolf guards with jumppacks! Logan Grimnar Lone Wolf Lone Wolf Lone Wolf 3 Wolf Guard w/ Jumppacks, Drop Pod 3 Wolf Guard w/ Jumppacks, Drop Pod 5 Fenrisian Wolves 5 Fenrisian Wolves 5 Fenrisian Wolves Predator w/ extra armour, dozer blade Predator w/ extra armour Predator -998 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232261-worst-list-tournament/#findComment-2794109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 you dont have the elite slots Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232261-worst-list-tournament/#findComment-2794130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeenos Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 I really like the Canis + Fen Wolves. Maybe even get a few cheep WGBL on mounts to join them to up their LD.. its a silly army, but not without hope of winning. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232261-worst-list-tournament/#findComment-2794133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kami Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 no I meant with Logan Wolf Guards become Troops Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232261-worst-list-tournament/#findComment-2794168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 no I meant with Logan Wolf Guards become Troops Your right, didn't think of that :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232261-worst-list-tournament/#findComment-2794176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Here you go : 1000 Pts - Space Wolves RosterTotal Roster Cost: 998 HQ: Logan Grimnar, The Great Wolf (1#, 275 pts) 1 Logan Grimnar, The Great Wolf, 275 pts Troops: Wolf Guard Pack (3#, 249 pts) 3 Wolf Guard in Power Armour, 249 pts = 3 * 83 (base cost 18 + Melta Bombs 5 + Space Marine Bike 35 + Thunder Hammer x1 25) Troops: Wolf Guard Pack (3#, 249 pts) 3 Wolf Guard in Power Armour, 249 pts = 3 * 83 (base cost 18 + Melta Bombs 5 + Space Marine Bike 35 + Thunder Hammer x1 25) HQ: Wolf Guard Battle Leader in Power Armour (1#, 225 pts) 1 Wolf Guard Battle Leader in Power Armour, 225 pts = (base cost 70 + Power Fist x1 25) + Runic Armour 20 + Wolf Tail Talisman 5 + Thunderwolf Mount 45 + Frost Weapon x1 25 + Saga of the Warrior Born 35 Validation Report: c-1. File Version: 1.20 For Bug Reports/www.ab40k.org; b-1. Roster Options: Special Characters; a-1. Scenario: Normal Mission; 1. Chapter: Space Wolves Roster satisfies all enforced validation rules Composition Report: HQ: 1 (1 - 2) Elite: 0 (0 - 3) Troops: 2 (2 - 6) Fast: 0 (0 - 3) Heavy: 0 (0 - 3) Created with Army Builder® - Try it for free at http://www.wolflair.com Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232261-worst-list-tournament/#findComment-2794202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Here you go :1000 Pts - Space Wolves Roster Total Roster Cost: 998 HQ: Logan Grimnar, The Great Wolf (1#, 275 pts) 1 Logan Grimnar, The Great Wolf, 275 pts Troops: Wolf Guard Pack (3#, 249 pts) 3 Wolf Guard in Power Armour, 249 pts = 3 * 83 (base cost 18 + Melta Bombs 5 + Space Marine Bike 35 + Thunder Hammer x1 25) Troops: Wolf Guard Pack (3#, 249 pts) 3 Wolf Guard in Power Armour, 249 pts = 3 * 83 (base cost 18 + Melta Bombs 5 + Space Marine Bike 35 + Thunder Hammer x1 25) HQ: Wolf Guard Battle Leader in Power Armour (1#, 225 pts) 1 Wolf Guard Battle Leader in Power Armour, 225 pts = (base cost 70 + Power Fist x1 25) + Runic Armour 20 + Wolf Tail Talisman 5 + Thunderwolf Mount 45 + Frost Weapon x1 25 + Saga of the Warrior Born 35 depending on what you'll be facing this list doesn't sound bad at all. those wolf guards and the battleleader have the mobility to reach their opponent relatively save by using cover and are armed with weapons that will instant death most of what you'll be facing, not to mention ruin tanks etc. all this list needs to really work well is some good cover Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232261-worst-list-tournament/#findComment-2794214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 depending on what you'll be facing this list doesn't sound bad at all. those wolf guards and the battleleader have the mobility to reach their opponent relatively save by using cover and are armed with weapons that will instant death most of what you'll be facing, not to mention ruin tanks etc. all this list needs to really work well is some good cover In an Objective based game, six wounds removes any hope of siezing an Objective. In a KP game a shooty unit on the second floor of a Ruin is untouchable to any unit except Logan. And neither HQ can join either unit without negating the one advantage that each unit has - mobility. Further, the Wolf Guard having three wounds total, and striking last in combat makes it pretty easy to kill them without suffering many casualties. Instant Death is irrelevant against 1 wound models, and they have no ranged weapons. (Sorry, the list doesn't show that I replaced their Bolt Pistol with the Thunder Hammer). :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232261-worst-list-tournament/#findComment-2794231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 depending on what you'll be facing this list doesn't sound bad at all. those wolf guards and the battleleader have the mobility to reach their opponent relatively save by using cover and are armed with weapons that will instant death most of what you'll be facing, not to mention ruin tanks etc. all this list needs to really work well is some good cover In an Objective based game, six wounds removes any hope of siezing an Objective. In a KP game a shooty unit on the second floor of a Ruin is untouchable to any unit except Logan. And neither HQ can join either unit without negating the one advantage that each unit has - mobility. Further, the Wolf Guard having three wounds total, and striking last in combat makes it pretty easy to kill them without suffering many casualties. Instant Death is irrelevant against 1 wound models, and they have no ranged weapons. (Sorry, the list doesn't show that I replaced their Bolt Pistol with the Thunder Hammer). :tu: but you forget the twin linked bolters on their bike ^_^ sure it might not be the best army but a good tactician will find a way to deal with your units. he might even just keep them in cover to just contest an objective making the game a draw. atleast that's how i would play it, send logan to a closeby objective to guard it by placing him in range to charge to the objective when needed but keeping him out of los as much as possible when the wolfguard bikers and thunderwolf guy sneak around the board , ready to contest other objectives/pick on easy targets Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232261-worst-list-tournament/#findComment-2794266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
breng77 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Oh we can do better than this people Here you go Canis 2 x 5 Fenrisians 3 x 4 Wolf Guard each sqaud has 2 guys on foot and 2 guys on bikes, the bikers have bolt guns instead for BP/CCW, one guy on foot has 2 THs. in Drop pods What you have here is 2 Small troop squads that cannot score (so you at best draw objective games unless you table your opponent. A so-so HQ choice 3 squads which cannot ride in their own drop pods because some are on bikes, can't move like bikes because some are on foot, the bikers lose a CC attack for a useless bolter (bikes already have TL bolters), and one really expensive dude in each squad with 2 hammers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232261-worst-list-tournament/#findComment-2794270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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