The Rose Princes Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Dreadnaught being hauled around by a Storm Raven is not inside the Storm Raven, therefore Fire Points are irrelevant. Can the Dreadnaught shoot while being carried? and if possible, some documentation, rules and such as to why or why not; this being the first time such a unit movement has been used as far as we can tell... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232447-the-answers-probably-no-but-i-promised-id-ask/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnowThyEnemy Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 stormraven entry says it can transport 12 models and/or a dread. it has 0 fire points. under fire points in the brb, a single model can shoot out of each fire point, measuring range and line of sight from that fire point. no firepoints, no shooting. i understand it says out of, implying the models are inside the transport. i also understand the dread is in the rear grapples, not inside. besides that and open-topped (which a stormraven is not) that is the only ways models may fire from a vehicle. gw has no rule for firing from outside a vehicle because you are either inside (being transported) or outside (no longer involved with said vehicle). there may be several "but nothing says i cant do it, so i can" replies, but unfortunately for you thats not how gw rules work. if u think it is, ill be picking what side of the dice id like to read from B) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232447-the-answers-probably-no-but-i-promised-id-ask/#findComment-2796006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drudge Dreadnought Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 As KnowThyEnemy says, there are no rules to support this situation. You cannot unless they introduce a FaQ saying you can. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232447-the-answers-probably-no-but-i-promised-id-ask/#findComment-2796020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rose Princes Posted June 18, 2011 Author Share Posted June 18, 2011 i figured as much.... there's so much faq for this that is still unanswered, i'm guess i'm just kind of adding to the pile. sorry to take up your time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232447-the-answers-probably-no-but-i-promised-id-ask/#findComment-2796041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidoneus Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 sorry to take up your time. Hey, no worries. It was a legit question, and just because the answer is "probably no" doesn't mean it was a waste of anyone's time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232447-the-answers-probably-no-but-i-promised-id-ask/#findComment-2796069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 There are no dumb questions, otherwise it wouldnt be a question. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232447-the-answers-probably-no-but-i-promised-id-ask/#findComment-2796111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrywalker Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 stormraven entry says it can transport 12 models and/or a dread. it has 0 fire points. under fire points in the brb, a single model can shoot out of each fire point, measuring range and line of sight from that fire point. no firepoints, no shooting. i understand it says out of, implying the models are inside the transport. i also understand the dread is in the rear grapples, not inside. besides that and open-topped (which a stormraven is not) that is the only ways models may fire from a vehicle. gw has no rule for firing from outside a vehicle because you are either inside (being transported) or outside (no longer involved with said vehicle). there may be several "but nothing says i cant do it, so i can" replies, but unfortunately for you thats not how gw rules work. if u think it is, ill be picking what side of the dice id like to read from :) whats wrong with picking what side of the dive? if i say i'm going to read from the bottom it has exactly the same probabilities as the top :devil: awesome image though eh? an angry dread shooting at you whilst zooming past dangling from a plane. best would be if they lower the grapple (assuming its on a winch or something) and dragged it through a big horde of orks or something, super carnage!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232447-the-answers-probably-no-but-i-promised-id-ask/#findComment-2796134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnowThyEnemy Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 giant dreadball-o-death ftw. i could get down with that ;). yea no need to apologize, i find these questions better than the "dreadknights are now JI, not MC" questions. at this works under the premise that it could make sense since the dread is out there swingin Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232447-the-answers-probably-no-but-i-promised-id-ask/#findComment-2796238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rose Princes Posted June 18, 2011 Author Share Posted June 18, 2011 the whole idea they wanted to do was librarian and dread in a storm raven, all out move combined with shroud for the 3+ cover save, with the greater aegis covering area's quickly, psyri dread laying waste as he went because no matter how fast a dreadnaught moves it can always shoot (and since he's on the outside there was hope it would be considered "open topped" so full 360 shooting arc). two of them just playing taxi for the table going back and forth were ever units needed to be deployed. unlikely as this would be to work, the idea is kind of silly taking 2 HQs, FA & HS for what he referred to as "Cloak Cab" (we watch a lot of Cash Cab) fun sounding, but kind of unlikely to work and would need a big army to do it; the bigger the army, the more unlikely it would be to work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232447-the-answers-probably-no-but-i-promised-id-ask/#findComment-2796268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr Shepard Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 the whole idea they wanted to do was librarian and dread in a storm raven, all out move combined with shroud for the 3+ cover save, with the greater aegis covering area's quickly, psyri dread laying waste as he went because no matter how fast a dreadnaught moves it can always shoot (and since he's on the outside there was hope it would be considered "open topped" so full 360 shooting arc). two of them just playing taxi for the table going back and forth were ever units needed to be deployed. unlikely as this would be to work, the idea is kind of silly taking 2 HQs, FA & HS for what he referred to as "Cloak Cab" (we watch a lot of Cash Cab) fun sounding, but kind of unlikely to work and would need a big army to do it; the bigger the army, the more unlikely it would be to work. Even though dread cannot fire while it is been transported by a Stormraven you can try the following trick. Your stormrave flat out8 3+ cover with Librarian), your dread use the shadow skies rule to disembark and open fire as needed. There is the risk of dangerous terrain test but you have 5 out 6 chaces to pass it ;). If you are very lucky with scatter dice your dread may remains withing shrouding range. if you plan to field two Librarians inside two stormravens the chances for your dread to remain in shrouding range increase, if you a careful with movement. Just a theoretical analysis, though. I never play tested it. Beside there are all the risks connected with deep strike rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232447-the-answers-probably-no-but-i-promised-id-ask/#findComment-2796362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deamon Wolf Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 The Blood Angels FAQ states that a Storm Raven Carrying a dreadnaught the dreadnaught can fire Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232447-the-answers-probably-no-but-i-promised-id-ask/#findComment-2798075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 The Blood Angels FAQ states that a Storm Raven Carrying a dreadnaught the dreadnaught can fire You mean the part you wrote in with crayon?* *My facetious way of saying the rule/FAQ you're trying to quote/source doesn't exist. DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232447-the-answers-probably-no-but-i-promised-id-ask/#findComment-2798165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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