grandmaster lisander Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Ok, I blame myself, maybe it was the 12 hour 6 days a week work schedule, I was reading the blood angels codex and thought that "HEY!! Were is Moriar?". So is it just poor writing on games workshop or has one of the Blood angels oldest death company dreads just been removed from history. Anyone else want to know what happened to this time honored character? As far as I have seen the Blood Angel's fluff has taken a beating, it’s not all bad and some of it is interesting, but completely wiping a character off the map is like kicking your best friend’s grandmother after she has fallen down the stairs. I am interested in what the Blood angels and 40k community have to say about this, please share your thoughts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232518-were-is-moria/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
toaae Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 The Death Company Dread? He is still kicking. It's actually Moriar, and he is featured in the Battle of Antax, page 20-21. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232518-were-is-moria/#findComment-2796861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 And hes not necessarily even one of the oldest DC dreads - just the only one who was named in the 3rd ed pamphlet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232518-were-is-moria/#findComment-2796991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 I thought it was underneath the Misty Mountains. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232518-were-is-moria/#findComment-2797028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronKobra Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 I thought it was underneath the Misty Mountains. Zing! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232518-were-is-moria/#findComment-2797194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Ok, I blame myself, maybe it was the 12 hour 6 days a week work schedule, I was reading the blood angels codex and thought that "HEY!! Were is Moria?". So is it just poor writing on games workshop or has one of the Blood angels oldest death company dreads just been removed from history. Anyone else want to know what happened to this time honored character? As far as I have seen the Blood Angel's fluff has taken a beating, it’s not all bad and some of it is interesting, but completely wiping a character off the map is like kicking your best friend’s grandmother after she has fallen down the stairs. I am interested in what the Blood angels and 40k community have to say about this, please share your thoughts. ...you mean we're not supposed to kick our best friend's grandmother after she falls down the stairs? :devil: any way, as has been said before, moriaR is still there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232518-were-is-moria/#findComment-2797239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronKobra Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab36/IronKobra84/WIPMoriar71.jpg Found him, he WAS under the misty mountains XD The beaky Sternguard is pointing him out...'Moriar is there' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232518-were-is-moria/#findComment-2797326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retributis Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 He also has his back banner displayed in the picture section. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232518-were-is-moria/#findComment-2797460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 theres even a dreadnaught that is labled as moriar in the photograph section and his banner is beside it... Somebody obviously didnt pay attantion;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232518-were-is-moria/#findComment-2797883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
matchbox Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 It's basically the same thing they did with the Space Wolved dreadnought Bjorn the Felhanded, Alright he came back in the new codex. I think it's unfair for them to get rid of a renowned character however. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232518-were-is-moria/#findComment-2798275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retributis Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 It's because the DC Dread was a rare thing in the PDF Codex, so special character, now it's a more common option so a special character option isn't needed. There's nothing stopping you running a DC Dread with Moriar's iconography. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232518-were-is-moria/#findComment-2798432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster lisander Posted June 21, 2011 Author Share Posted June 21, 2011 I would have like to see an actual special character in the codex itself, Moriar is just as much a part of the blood angels as Dante or Mephiston. Instead he only gets one excerpt about 12-13 sentences in length and a small little example of his banner in the back. Even in a picture of what should be Moriar it only says it’s a "death company dreadnaught". Moriar is a part of the Blood Angels history and sweeping him under the rug is very disappointing. It's because the DC Dread was a rare thing in the PDF Codex, so special character, now it's a more common option so a special character option isn't needed. There's nothing stopping you running a DC Dread with Moriar's iconography. While I agree with Retributis that there is nothing from someone fielding a Moriar looking model, but it doesn’t excuse GW from taking him out of the character list entirely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232518-were-is-moria/#findComment-2798833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoulius Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 i think hes hiding under the pile of artificer armour and other generic armoury options our chapter lost :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232518-were-is-moria/#findComment-2798965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 thing is though with the arrival of blood talons our standard dreads have become so much better than moriar was in many situations, except against veichles etc, which blood fists normally own anyway... and i dont see whats so special about moriar that he should get attention above any other dreadnaught. dont get me wrong the dude is cool but i dont think he is deserving of a dreaspecial rules. saying that a furiso death company tycho would be interesting... un fluffy but interesting... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232518-were-is-moria/#findComment-2799047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 and i dont see whats so special about moriar that he should get attention above any other dreadnaught. dont get me wrong the dude is cool but i dont think he is deserving of special rules. +1 The only thing that was special about Moriar is that he was a Death Company Dreadnought when nobody else was, the only way to justify him being a special character would be to give him some unique abilities he didn't have before which would itself be a retcon.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232518-were-is-moria/#findComment-2799529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retributis Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 I would have like to see an actual special character in the codex itself, Moriar is just as much a part of the blood angels as Dante or Mephiston. There is no Moriar in my 2nd Ed Angels of Death codex. So no, he isn't. :lol: Are you as equally annoyed at Veteran Sergeant Cleutin, Guardian of the Shroud of Sanginius being removed? :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232518-were-is-moria/#findComment-2799627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefireinferno Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 God damn Every time I see this topic I just think "She's in Megaton or shows up in the Underworld if you blow up Megaton" The only thing that was special about Moriar is that he was a Death Company Dreadnought when nobody else was, the only way to justify him being a special character would be to give him some unique abilities he didn't have before which would itself be a retcon.. I believe all the DC Furioso's from the old Flesh Tearer rules from Index Astartes would disagree with you :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232518-were-is-moria/#findComment-2800446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 God damn Every time I see this topic I just think "She's in Megaton or shows up in the Underworld if you blow up Megaton" That would be Moira, not Moria, and she is also under the misty mountains. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232518-were-is-moria/#findComment-2801836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster lisander Posted June 25, 2011 Author Share Posted June 25, 2011 There is no Moriar in my 2nd Ed Angels of Death codex. So no, he isn't. Are you as equally annoyed at Veteran Sergeant Cleutin, Guardian of the Shroud of Sanginius being removed? I was when 3rd Ed came out and to this day I still believe he should have had his own model, but that aside, I still believe Moriar deserves his own entry. He is part of the story of the blood angels and if he needs a little more upgrades for the new rule set so be it. Just taking him out (which has happened in the past with GW) from the character list isn’t right. everyone else I am sorry about the name FAIL, that was my bad ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232518-were-is-moria/#findComment-2802936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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