thade Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 My DIY has roughly 100 fully painted marines, each of which has seen the field. This is my first army and I learned to paint on it, so their scheme is sort of by design simplistic: - Black armor with appropriate boltgun metal details. Krylon Black spray paint, Chaos Black where needed. - Helmets are black for brother-marines, white for melee-centric veterans (Vanguard), orange/black (in simple patterns) for shooty-veterans (Sternguard), and solid Orange for Squad Sergeants. - Bright white shoulder pads with red trim (tiny black trim between the red and the white); veterans have Red Shields hand-painted on their left shoulders. The red is a particular hue: scab red base, red gore, blood red, washed again with red gore (or whatever the midtone one is, I forget offhand w/o the pot) - Red eyes for black helms, same color as shoulder trim. Yellow eyes for everybody else. The yellow eyes get black "eye liner" which is a wicked pain. - Aquilla also red, same way. - Purity seals are blue with dirty white tails. - They have no "squad markings". I literally recognize who is in what squad based on the quality of the detail work as I painted each unit in a shot. This is impolite to my opponents and is one of a few reasons that I score poorly on paint job at tournaments. I am asked *constantly* if they are Black Templar. Then when people see the BA codex I use, they ask if they are Blood Angels. They are neither. The goal is for people to look at the army and initially ask "What chapter?" instead of assuming. SO I've decided to both correct this and pretty-up my entire force. Instead of stripping and recoloring them all, I'm going to do a "remastering pass". The biggest change here is that every single marine is going to get a single red leg. I'll be leaving the foot itself black, I think, but I can't think of any other change that 1. I can live with, and 2. is that easily noticeable and not a massive change. I'll be adding squad markings to the other shin (sort of the way Space Wolves do it, but more mundane...like stripes or dots). I will also be going over almost all of their armor with black wash to darken them up, hitting details I missed here or there, and generally improving the paint jobs and possibly the bases on every single model. Also, ALL models will be getting their left white shoulder plate adorned with a hand-painted Red Shield. Really the questions I have for you all are: - A red leg. Dumb? An affront to marine armor paint jobs? - General paint schema insofar as chapter markings? Aesthetics? - What you think of the squad marking plan? Have any other suggestions? - Have you ever done this kind of thing before? :D Just curious. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232747-modifying-my-entire-armys-paintjob/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Fury Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 I think just having the red shield chapter symbol will help a lot when people look and wonder what they are. (only the vets have it now right?) As for the red leg thing, perhaps a red left arm instead. I dunno, the red leg seems a bit much and might look like you are halfway to an Angels Sanguine paintjob, while a red arm (the shield holding arm) kinda fits the chapter name a bit more, well in my head anyway :) For squad markings, I like them. I have a BA force though, so my squad markings are on the knee cap, but it is a good squad unifying detail. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232747-modifying-my-entire-armys-paintjob/#findComment-2800359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted June 22, 2011 Author Share Posted June 22, 2011 I think just having the red shield chapter symbol will help a lot when people look and wonder what they are. (only the vets have it now right?) Correct, and yes, I think/hope you're right. Of all the symbols I might paint by hand the shield icon (which is a representation of the assault squad sprue combat shield) is a nigh painless one to paint. As for the red leg thing, perhaps a red left arm instead. I dunno, the red leg seems a bit much and might look like you are halfway to an Angels Sanguine paintjob, while a red arm (the shield holding arm) kinda fits the chapter name a bit more, well in my head anyway :) Ug, haha. I just googled and saw the Angels Sanguine paint schema. There are sooo many chapters. Running out of color combinations. :P For squad markings, I like them. I have a BA force though, so my squad markings are on the knee cap, but it is a good squad unifying detail. This I'll definitely be sticking with; if nothing else, a way to tie the squads together will be well-received, I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232747-modifying-my-entire-armys-paintjob/#findComment-2800384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted June 23, 2011 Author Share Posted June 23, 2011 First let me apologize: I took this pics this morning spur the moment with one halogen lamp and my iPhone. They are not the best. This is one of the first marines I ever painted; note the humble simplicity (utter lack of detail): http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1568/photo1vq.th.jpg And here follows a marine from the same unit with the proposed changes; he's probably not finished, but the brunt of the detail has been added: http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/934/photo4ne.th.jpghttp://img836.imageshack.us/img836/2641/photo3oia.th.jpghttp://img853.imageshack.us/img853/235/photo2tl.th.jpg The blue eye covers were a spur-the-moment bit of inspiration, but I like them; it adds something more to the model overall, in my opinion. Sadly, I didn't take a shot of the left shoulder directly, but you can see that he has the shield. His right leg (not well focused due to poor lighting, sorry) is red...but not the boot nor the codpiece. Left knee shows the beginnings of a squad marker..I'm thinking of a green or purple or something dot in the center of that inverted triangle. Other squads will have significantly different markers (lines, slashes, letters, roman numerals, whatever I feel). You can't really tell given the picture quality, but the unmodified model is not as dark...because I matted-sprayed him and dried him with a fan...and he had a thin layer of dust clinging to him as a result. (Early model. I know.) Black wash has fixed that issue. I also putt some mock-writing on the purity seal, which isn't very visible. Thoughts? I kind of like it...the whole unit will be getting at least this treatment (followed by the rest of the army). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232747-modifying-my-entire-armys-paintjob/#findComment-2801240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilToast Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 I can't see the pic :\ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232747-modifying-my-entire-armys-paintjob/#findComment-2801286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted June 23, 2011 Author Share Posted June 23, 2011 I can't see the pic :\ Truly? That's odd...I can <_< both in this forum, the other I posted it in, and on imageshack. Imageshack blocked where you are located? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232747-modifying-my-entire-armys-paintjob/#findComment-2801356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Fury Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Looking good! I must admit, the first pic does look a lot like a black templar, though with the red leg and additional detail there is no confusion anymore. And it doesn't look like Angels Sanguine either <_< I like the blue eyes much more than the red too. the only thing I'm not a big fan of is the red trim on the base. On the original model it looked OK as there wasn't much red on the model. But now with all the new red plus the red base trim, the red is a bit overpowering. I'd just go back to black trim on the base, or green or brown or whatever matches your new bases (I thought you said something about new bases, maybe not). The squad marking looks pretty good too. The triangle adds a lot of color but seems like a lot of work for a 100 marines. Perhaps just the stripe as a squad marking, different colors for different squads or even maybe two lines if you run out of favorable colors for the stripe? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232747-modifying-my-entire-armys-paintjob/#findComment-2801370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted June 23, 2011 Author Share Posted June 23, 2011 Looking good! ...I like the blue eyes much more than the red too. Thank you very much. :) I must admit, the first pic does look a lot like a black templar... See! though with the red leg and additional detail there is no confusion anymore. And it doesn't look like Angels Sanguine either ;) Whew. ...the only thing I'm not a big fan of is the red trim on the base. On the original model it looked OK as there wasn't much red on the model. But now with all the new red plus the red base trim, the red is a bit overpowering. I'd just go back to black trim on the base, or green or brown or whatever matches your new bases (I thought you said something about new bases, maybe not). Haha, oh...that. :) The red trim on that base was to help me pick them out of the crowd/tie the unit together. Lazy painting and I think you're right...time for it to go. I'll paint the squad marking or something on the back of the base...which will get painted black. I also mean to (finally) put a bit of flock on those bases. Maybe a pebble or two. OR I could man up and rebase that squad. Those are my first bases. I *hate* those bases. The squad marking looks pretty good too. The triangle adds a lot of color but seems like a lot of work for a 100 marines. Perhaps just the stripe as a squad marking, different colors for different squads or even maybe two lines if you run out of favorable colors for the stripe? Actually, that squad marking will be unique to that unit. Other units will get much simpler marks, like a single line in some cases. ;) Thanks for the compliments and feedback! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232747-modifying-my-entire-armys-paintjob/#findComment-2801382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Fury Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Sounds all good Thade. Show off some group shots when you get some more work done! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232747-modifying-my-entire-armys-paintjob/#findComment-2802247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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