recon0321 Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads..._3686_45530.jpg ok so my buddy on here helped me come up with this scheme i think its awesome....obviously this chapter is based on the knights Hospitalliers, i was thinking of creating the other knightly orders the templars and the teutonnic knights...but how could i represent them all in the same chapter?? basically their armor will still be the same color and their tabards and sur coats are different colors.. so i was thinking of creating different squads with different sur coats and colors but the same chapter icon the TEMPLAR CROSS so in that way they with still be uniform so to accomplish this i am also going to use DA robes and mix those in and use them are sur coats what does everyone think is my idea way to off base or should just stick with one "order" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232781-knights-hospitalliers/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Sergeant Bohemond Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 I like the black and grey. id say stick to one scheme, maybe indivdual heraldry for each marine, but the same dasic scheme across the army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232781-knights-hospitalliers/#findComment-2800835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
recon0321 Posted June 23, 2011 Author Share Posted June 23, 2011 Well I think the armour might be silver now instead of grey since I am sticking to one scheme they also will have the DA robes and since the order actually used brown surcoats so the robes will be brown and I am not sure what they will represent yet any ideas Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232781-knights-hospitalliers/#findComment-2801327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Sergeant Bohemond Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Maybe not DA robes? I think Templar will look better actaully, as they are more open, whilke the DA are closed and long... It depends on what image you are trying to achieve. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232781-knights-hospitalliers/#findComment-2801422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
recon0321 Posted June 23, 2011 Author Share Posted June 23, 2011 well i am going for a historically accurate knightly army...i mean knights of the crusades wore both so i am not sure what to do Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232781-knights-hospitalliers/#findComment-2801449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Sergeant Bohemond Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Fair enough, whatever you prefer, really. Id say Templar, mainly because you are using their iconography and so their upgrade box has all their bits with the cross on, while the DA is all Winged swords and Angels Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232781-knights-hospitalliers/#findComment-2801487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deMolay Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Your plan for basing your chapter on the Hospitalliers is along the same lines as mine. I used the Templars as my inspiration so consequently i use a lot of BT for my chaps, but i also use DA and bitz drawn from all ranges to give me the look I'm after. I will warn you though, it can be expensive!!! Just to give you an idea though 1. Rank and file - Basic marine with BT chestplate, backpack and pauldrons and small tabbard 2. Combat Squad leader - BT full length tabard 3. Tac Squad Sgt - BT full length tabard and SM Commander cloak 4. Command Squad - BT Sword Bretheren 5. Honour guard - DA Robed vets With regards painting, they have to be metalic silver to represent armour of the day and highlighted and henhanced by the Hospitalliers colours of the time which if memory serves me was Black crosses on white tabards with Tan robes. Anyway, good luck, like the idea and cant wait to see photos and read the fluff Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232781-knights-hospitalliers/#findComment-2802692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 I am currently also working on a knightly chapter with the sir coats and what not, and what I am doing (this is to help with ideas) is that each company (or Realm for my chapter) has a differant color. So I would say do it by company as opposed to by squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232781-knights-hospitalliers/#findComment-2802945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skamp Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 ermmm your not going to name them knight hospitaller are you??? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232781-knights-hospitalliers/#findComment-2813553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
recon0321 Posted July 8, 2011 Author Share Posted July 8, 2011 Yes based on the orignal order yes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232781-knights-hospitalliers/#findComment-2813568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skamp Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 ermmm no offense but you should name them differently ex. Black Templars are based on is it knights teutonic or knights templar the shceme throw me off lol but they arent called knights templar maybe something like dark hospitaller or something p.s. dont use my recommended name sounds horrible hahah Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232781-knights-hospitalliers/#findComment-2813582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
space marine schnauzer Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 I like this idea..maybe throw in a few Hosplilar sisters in with them... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232781-knights-hospitalliers/#findComment-2813609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forgefather Vulkan Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 I like the take that you've come up with for a Hospitallers chapter as I always thought that the Black Templars were always the Knights Hospitaller but keep up the work! Any models soon? Forgefather Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232781-knights-hospitalliers/#findComment-2813633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
recon0321 Posted July 8, 2011 Author Share Posted July 8, 2011 Dark hospitalliers hmmm nice ring to it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232781-knights-hospitalliers/#findComment-2813634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyronusSouria Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Also, be careful, there is a chapter called the Hospitallers :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232781-knights-hospitalliers/#findComment-2813655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Hospitallers worked in Hospitals. All of the orders had a Hospitallar in their CoC. The idea of a Hospitallar is contrary to the Angel of Death image. You should keep the scheme, as it is very cool, but go back to the drawing board for the name. Also, the Black Templars are closest in creed to the Teutonic Knights, they focus on extermination as the Teutonic Knights focused on driving out the Pagans and colonizing the Baltic. The Knight Templar are the closest with the Dark Angels, because of the secret, secrets theme, and less to do with the actual order. If you are simply going after making another Crusade themed army just pick and choose your favorite aspects from each order, without sticking too closely to each one. You may also want to check out a few books on the Crusades from your library, as they will go miles in helping come up with a deeper chapter, instead of Knights Hospitallar in space. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232781-knights-hospitalliers/#findComment-2813659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
recon0321 Posted July 8, 2011 Author Share Posted July 8, 2011 Well from what I have read working in hospitals wasn't the only thing that the KH did they protected the pilgrim road so they are as much warriors as they where healers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232781-knights-hospitalliers/#findComment-2813696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 The name is what indicates hospitals. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232781-knights-hospitalliers/#findComment-2813739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
space marine schnauzer Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 The name is what indicates hospitals. I would say Templar indicates Temple--now which temple would that be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232781-knights-hospitalliers/#findComment-2813766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Why, the Temple of Dorn of course ;). On board the Eternal Crusader. The spiritual heart of the Black Templars chapter. The name Templar derives from Sigismund's company, who would in turn have derived it from some military organization on Terra. In the same way the Byzant Janizars have nothing to do with the real Janissaries and the Merican Fusiliers have never seen a Flintlock :wub: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232781-knights-hospitalliers/#findComment-2813779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
space marine schnauzer Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 What is the color of the armor in the photo. Codex grey? or some other grey. I found a few BT that I'm going to paint up as these guys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232781-knights-hospitalliers/#findComment-2814135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I would say Templar indicates Temple--now which temple would that be. Solomon, if of course you ment the real Templars. :P Anyway as for the chapter i think a re-name might be in order but i don't see anything out of bounds in what i see. ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232781-knights-hospitalliers/#findComment-2814269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
space marine schnauzer Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I would say Templar indicates Temple--now which temple would that be. Solomon, if of course you ment the real Templars. :P Anyway as for the chapter i think a re-name might be in order but i don't see anything out of bounds in what i see. :) Or a temple to Solomon Lok...death to the foul xenos! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232781-knights-hospitalliers/#findComment-2814309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
recon0321 Posted July 9, 2011 Author Share Posted July 9, 2011 I think I am going to use chainmail for the armor....does the name really need to change I mean does it raise that many flags? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232781-knights-hospitalliers/#findComment-2814371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
space marine schnauzer Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I think I am going to use chainmail for the armor....does the name really need to change I mean does it raise that many flags? It's your army/minis, go for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232781-knights-hospitalliers/#findComment-2814385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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