orbion Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Hey battle brothers, just picked up 2 predators for a good price and wondering what layout you guys would run. I know the "dakka" pred is auto cannon heavy bolters. I've seen a lot of that floating around but just wondering what you guys run and why. This is of course leaning towards a more mech list as DOA tank get skunked first turn shooting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232854-predator-layouts/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanfear Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 there is only one layout. Autocannon and laser cannon sponsons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232854-predator-layouts/#findComment-2801754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus_Sanguinius Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 I like the Annihilator most, but of course this type of Pred is a little bit pricey. So the standard pattern is, as Lanfear already said, Autocannon and Lasca sponsons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232854-predator-layouts/#findComment-2801799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
toaae Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 The only variant that is never used is the Tri-lascannon. 180 points is just two much for a vehicle with a side armor of 11. But just about every other layout works. The king is the Autocannon/Lascannons Pred, which boasts the best anti-transport combination of weapons, while still being reasonably priced. The Dakka pred is all about value, since it can put out a lot of shots for only 100 points (though, personally, I'd take a Baal over that any day). The TL Lascannon turret can be used with no sponsons. Back when S5 was defensive, the heavy bolters worked well with it, but now, you're better off without them (AV 13, TL-Lascannon, and the ability to move 12" and shoot justify the price tag). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232854-predator-layouts/#findComment-2801854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
orbion Posted June 24, 2011 Author Share Posted June 24, 2011 Thanks for the info guys. While i do love the look of the "Dakka" pred going with the autocannon and las sponsons seems to make sense pointwise for what it can do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232854-predator-layouts/#findComment-2801966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 yep, thats probably the best all-rounder config. I've never regretted taking my original auto-las predator. Can engage any target, but lives to beat up on light-medium armour like kans, rhinos, chimeras, etc... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232854-predator-layouts/#findComment-2802013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMac Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 I hear of people taking AC/HB sponsons all the time. cheaper and still good. of course if you don't have other kind of long range anti-AV, the lascannons are a better choice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232854-predator-layouts/#findComment-2802195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbusePuppy Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Autolas is pretty okay for BA, since it's more mobile than the SM counterpart and is competing/complementing different units. Dakka is actually much less useful to BA, as it has to fight with the Rifleman Dread in HS and is more expensive than the codex version. Those are really the only two setups of any particular quality, in my opinion. Trilas is too expensive, any variant without sponsons is wasting your time, and HB/Las is just confused. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232854-predator-layouts/#findComment-2802398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 HB/Las is just confused. For people than don't play a lot vs other marines they make sense. That's unfortunately a pretty rare situation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232854-predator-layouts/#findComment-2802681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Memories Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Man the trilas pred is taking a beating here. I'll stick my neck out there and say I use a trilas pred a lot in my lists. Complimented by lasbacks and other heavy support you can have a list that puts out a ridiculous amount of lascannon shots. Personally I'm a fan of it. Nothing like trying to shoot something that's AV14 because thats the only real target you have only to feel gipped because you cant even use your turret against it. Also while more expensive, the tllc is a significantly better anti light armor gun than the autocannon, penning armor 12 with double the chance of an autocannon. Also I really appreciate the TLLC's extra usefulness at killing MCs and the like, which the autocannon is significantly worse at, having a worse ap value. I face a few tyranid players and the like with MCs and that pred puts holes in them but than anything but a stormraven. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232854-predator-layouts/#findComment-2802714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Man the trilas pred is taking a beating here. It's great at what it does, I don't think anyone is contesting that. The problem is just that it's very expensive and can only engage one unit at the time. If predators could buy PotMS It would probably be more popular. The typical BA list has a lot of fast or deep striking meltas, scouting assault cannons, and ways to deal with ranged specialists like long fangs. Because of that it's hard to justify the cost of a tri-las pred when you take tons of TLLC razorbacks instead. In a pure stand and shoot force the AV13 would be well worth it, but as BA is typically played in a more aggressive manner it's better to go for target saturation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232854-predator-layouts/#findComment-2802741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
orbion Posted June 25, 2011 Author Share Posted June 25, 2011 well i'd say that the army i was planning originally was a DOA but after seeing my buddy with guard I kind of wanted MORE DAKKA!! That comes with the armor it's mounted on so anyways yeah running 2 preds with a bunch of razors will give me more than enough shots to take out mech. Also the wording for the pred says you can take a stormbolter and/or a hunterkiller for XX points. Is that a legal thing to take them both or was that just something overlooked and "cheese"? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232854-predator-layouts/#findComment-2802899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 well i'd say that the army i was planning originally was a DOA but after seeing my buddy with guard I kind of wanted MORE DAKKA!! That comes with the armor it's mounted on so anyways yeah running 2 preds with a bunch of razors will give me more than enough shots to take out mech. Also the wording for the pred says you can take a stormbolter and/or a hunterkiller for XX points. Is that a legal thing to take them both or was that just something overlooked and "cheese"? It's as intended and perfectly legal. Kit out any vehicle to your hearts content. Double stormbolters on rhinos (and on vindicators if you use them) and HK missiles on razorbacks or whirlwinds are my favorites when I have points to spare. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232854-predator-layouts/#findComment-2803108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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