maverik_girl Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 alright just got back from a victory about an hour ago against vanilla marines. it was a close fight but my grey hunters won me the day by rapid firing plasma guns! woot! anyway, so my question goes out to people here as it was put into question during the fifth turn.. alright this is what happened! I have a grey hunter pack, two with plasma guns, motw, standard.... anyway, during the fourth turn i managed to attach a wolf priest with them, these are the guys that won me the game, as they took out a squad earlier on, I was winning ahead by 3 victory points. so in the beginning of turn five, i detach my wolf priest but still keep him close enough with my grey hunters, my grey hunters rapid fire into the last remaining tac squad, taking out 6 guys. after the firing, my wolf priest goes into close combat with them. now he already lost the game once i blew up his 2 land raiders by turn 2 and 3, thanks to my wolf scouts and long fangs, but when i put my wolf priest into combat, he's calling it cheese!?! i'm pretty sure it's legal......did i do something wrong here? he was detached, and he knew it.... I mean, my whole tactical thinking was since my grey hunters was better off using the rapid fire with their plasma guns, they wouldn't be getting into combat allot, so i kept a wolf priest nearby and detached him only to clean up whomever survived the rapid fire... keep in mind i'm still kinda new at the game so yah! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232911-wolf-priest-cheese-tactic/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 the only question i would have is how close is "close enough"? if he, during the turn 5 movement phase, moved out of coherency with the grey hunter pack (leaving the squad) and assaulted what they shot that round, then i dont believe anything was done wrong. now, as you said you made it clear to your opponent he was no longer part of the squad before the movement phase ended, it sounds as if your opponent was just whinning. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232911-wolf-priest-cheese-tactic/#findComment-2802499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverik_girl Posted June 25, 2011 Author Share Posted June 25, 2011 that's what i figured :D and yes, the wolf priest was out of coherency, i even removed the closest grey hunters from him when i failed their saves. i had posted about having a wolf priest in a jump pack, run around the table supporting my packs.. and so far the idea has been working out nicely! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232911-wolf-priest-cheese-tactic/#findComment-2802502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 then you have nothing to worry about except for a questionable opponent...argueing that would prob damage my fun factor. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232911-wolf-priest-cheese-tactic/#findComment-2802504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 that's what i figured :D and yes, the wolf priest was out of coherency, i even removed the closest grey hunters from him when i failed their saves. i had posted about having a wolf priest in a jump pack, run around the table supporting my packs.. and so far the idea has been working out nicely! As long as the Wolf Priest was out of coherency, you did nothing wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232911-wolf-priest-cheese-tactic/#findComment-2802505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something Wycked Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 And the Wolf Priest didn't fire at a unit other than the one he charged, yeah. What JamesI said. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232911-wolf-priest-cheese-tactic/#findComment-2802514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Cheese? Not at all. Brilliant? Absolutely! Well done. It's moves like that, that most folks wouldn't even consider, that will give you the edge over your opponents. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232911-wolf-priest-cheese-tactic/#findComment-2802521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverik_girl Posted June 25, 2011 Author Share Posted June 25, 2011 Cheese? Not at all. Brilliant? Absolutely! Well done. It's moves like that, that most folks wouldn't even consider, that will give you the edge over your opponents. Valerian whaaa :D thank you! :( I figured I should make good use to the jump pack, not to mention "target priority" with my grey hunters who have the two plasma guns. since they wont be able to assault because of the guns, their best option is to rapid fire, while the wolf priest who's already a monster in combat cleans up the rest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232911-wolf-priest-cheese-tactic/#findComment-2802536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 :P i'm impressed, you didn't even need my help or advice in this game! then again i was busy shopping for camping gear, while you were fighting it out for the honor of our chapter! hey, i was in the same building.. i didn't get a text from you so it's all gravy! i was there in spirit! :( :D ;) ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232911-wolf-priest-cheese-tactic/#findComment-2802537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 has anyone tried a wolf priest on a bike with saga of wolf the wolf-kin, attached/accompanied by a full 15 pack fen wolves? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232911-wolf-priest-cheese-tactic/#findComment-2802543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 /geekmode This scenario reminds me of Assassin's Creed, blending into moving crowds to close in on a target, then leaping from the crowd in an ambush. :( /endgeekmode Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232911-wolf-priest-cheese-tactic/#findComment-2802547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Was your opponent a cheese lover? If they were then they paid you a compliment ;-) Just a sore loser because they didn't see it coming (neither would I). Nice one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232911-wolf-priest-cheese-tactic/#findComment-2802567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
elithren Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 I love the idea, did it myself this week with my RA wolf priest and he clean up the IG squad that poped out of a vendetta that the GH squad blew up with their meltaguns. Really effective and even though we dont have I5, still rocks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232911-wolf-priest-cheese-tactic/#findComment-2802580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewi Sant Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Well done on the win! Sounds like your opponent was being a bit of a tool. Don't forget you can always just fire the hunters bolt pistols and charge in with the WP attached. Popping the banner and re-rolling to hit will really give him something to get upset about. Hahahahah Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232911-wolf-priest-cheese-tactic/#findComment-2802663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonSTeR Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 As long as you made it fully clear about the WP's association and then dissociation from the GH pack, I don't see how your opponent had a leg to stand on with regards to cheese. If anything it's using the rules to support the fluff. What's more 40K, fluffwise, than a magnificent hero leading his troops from the front and then single handedly delivering the killing blow to the enemy in a tactically brilliant move? I mean they write books about that sort of cunning plan... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232911-wolf-priest-cheese-tactic/#findComment-2802675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 then you have nothing to worry about except for a questionable opponent...argueing that would prob damage my fun factor. WLK This. Your opponent clearly isn't aware of higher tactical thinking ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232911-wolf-priest-cheese-tactic/#findComment-2802679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewi Sant Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 As long as you made it fully clear about the WP's association and then dissociation from the GH pack, I don't see how your opponent had a leg to stand on with regards to cheese. If anything it's using the rules to support the fluff. What's more 40K, fluffwise, than a magnificent hero leading his troops from the front and then single handedly delivering the killing blow to the enemy in a tactically brilliant move? I mean they write books about that sort of cunning plan... Fluff wise if he was leading from the front he would have be attached to the pack. What he has done however is run in from the sidelines and given them a good boot to the head while they were down on the floor. While I would never condone this type of behaviour in real life, in 40k it rocks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232911-wolf-priest-cheese-tactic/#findComment-2802694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonSTeR Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 As long as you made it fully clear about the WP's association and then dissociation from the GH pack, I don't see how your opponent had a leg to stand on with regards to cheese. If anything it's using the rules to support the fluff. What's more 40K, fluffwise, than a magnificent hero leading his troops from the front and then single handedly delivering the killing blow to the enemy in a tactically brilliant move? I mean they write books about that sort of cunning plan... Fluff wise if he was leading from the front he would have be attached to the pack. What he has done however is run in from the sidelines and given them a good boot to the head while they were down on the floor. While I would never condone this type of behaviour in real life, in 40k it rocks! He WAS attached to the pack. (turn 4) he then detaches from the pack (turn 5) to deliver the crushing blow single handedly... And I can agree that unless you're actually a soldier, and engaged in an actual battle somewhere, no you shouldn't go round killing real people, but in 40k it's ok ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232911-wolf-priest-cheese-tactic/#findComment-2802698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewi Sant Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 While I can see your argument I still think he booted them in the head. Lol The thing I like most about 40k is that apart from the concept of combined arms integration and the need for mutual support, that it plays out nothing like real life. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232911-wolf-priest-cheese-tactic/#findComment-2802705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 The thing I like most about 40k is that apart from the concept of combined arms integration and the need for mutual support, that it plays out nothing like real life. My military friends might tell you different. Not to mention some coaches I know, from hockey, rugby, football or soccer LOL anyway, MavGirl was playing like a true wolf, using pack mentality and complimenting the attended and weaknesses of each pack in her list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232911-wolf-priest-cheese-tactic/#findComment-2802720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarapham Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 has anyone tried a wolf priest on a bike with saga of wolf the wolf-kin, attached/accompanied by a full 15 pack fen wolves? A bike would not be of much use in that case other than if you want to get away from the unit quickly, with their different movements and assault-ranges and all :cuss Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232911-wolf-priest-cheese-tactic/#findComment-2802729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 has anyone tried a wolf priest on a bike with saga of wolf the wolf-kin, attached/accompanied by a full 15 pack fen wolves? A bike would not be of much use in that case other than if you want to get away from the unit quickly, with their different movements and assault-ranges and all :cuss I was thinking more about having a similar tactic with what MavGirl did... whom ever gets into close combat first (bike or fen wolves) both side by side but not attached, gets locked in combat, while the other is free to swarm/surround from an exposed opening. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232911-wolf-priest-cheese-tactic/#findComment-2802742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 /geekmode This scenario reminds me of Assassin's Creed, blending into moving crowds to close in on a target, then leaping from the crowd in an ambush. :cuss /endgeekmode we are tabletop gamers, does geekmode ever end? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232911-wolf-priest-cheese-tactic/#findComment-2802751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackrime Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Some people are just the worst. Sick moves. I'd never thought of doing that either. How ridiculously awful is it when another person's inability to show a little sportsmanship and enjoy the game cuts into an otherwise enjoyable evening. SHENANIGANS I SAY! You know, one of these days, I'm going to base 1500 pts on little wheels of cheddar. That'll show 'em. "THAT'S CHEEZY!" "Why yes... Tillamook sharp, in fact. Scream cheese, and let slip the curds of war!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232911-wolf-priest-cheese-tactic/#findComment-2802786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthstar Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 How do you shop for camping gear in the same building as warhammer games? Canada must be awesome! Great tactical, it definitely threw something at your opponent that he just didn't expect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232911-wolf-priest-cheese-tactic/#findComment-2802791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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