wolf priest cheese tactic?

[maverik_girl]

How do you shop for camping gear in the same building as warhammer games? Canada must be awesome! Great tactical, it definitely threw something at your opponent that he just didn't expect.

Haha it was at a mall

[TiguriusX]

he already lost the game once i blew up his 2 land raiders by turn 2 and 3

He was running a 2 LR army (I'm guessing low points like 1500?) and he was calling YOU cheesy?

 

 

All you did was show him the glory of our ICs. For Russ! For the Emperor! For Fenris!

[Toasterfree]

he already lost the game once i blew up his 2 land raiders by turn 2 and 3

He was running a 2 LR army (I'm guessing low points like 1500?) and he was calling YOU cheesy?

 

 

All you did was show him the glory of our ICs. For Russ! For the Emperor! For Fenris!

thats not as bad as playing a nightbringer in 1500.

[Grimtooth]

Nice move MavGirl;

 

This is the basis of pretty much all the tactics I have expressed on the forum here and it appears you might have been paying attention.....LOL!

 

Plain and simple, this is the concept of close unit support taken down to the very basic level of squad member composition. You had a rapid firing squad, that while the wolf priest was attached, had the extra muscle to assault if needed. At the point where the rapid firing became more beneficial then assaulting, the wolf priest detached, thus creating a situation where you had both rapid firing ranged superiority with close support of close combat superiority.

 

I have done this on pack levels,

 

One dual plasma gun pack rapid firing into a BA tactical while within assault range my dual meltagun pack fired using pistols and meltaguns to assault what was left over.

 

Wolf Lord on TWM attached to 15 Fenrisian Wolves. During movement I seperated the wolf lord from the Fenrisian Wolves. Assaulted my Fenrisian Wolves into an IG platoon while my wolf lord blasted into some IG sentinels. Wolves tied up the platoon so they were not able to fire upon my wolf lord who decimated the sentinels and would have easily been subject to first rand/second rank fire.

 

Synergy between units, you are doing it MavGirl.....lol.

[Toasterfree]

Nice move MavGirl;

 

This is the basis of pretty much all the tactics I have expressed on the forum here and it appears you might have been paying attention.....LOL!

 

Plain and simple, this is the concept of close unit support taken down to the very basic level of squad member composition. You had a rapid firing squad, that while the wolf priest was attached, had the extra muscle to assault if needed. At the point where the rapid firing became more beneficial then assaulting, the wolf priest detached, thus creating a situation where you had both rapid firing ranged superiority with close support of close combat superiority.

 

I have done this on pack levels,

 

One dual plasma gun pack rapid firing into a BA tactical while within assault range my dual meltagun pack fired using pistols and meltaguns to assault what was left over.

 

Wolf Lord on TWM attached to 15 Fenrisian Wolves. During movement I seperated the wolf lord from the Fenrisian Wolves. Assaulted my Fenrisian Wolves into an IG platoon while my wolf lord blasted into some IG sentinels. Wolves tied up the platoon so they were not able to fire upon my wolf lord who decimated the sentinels and would have easily been subject to first rand/second rank fire.

 

Synergy between units, you are doing it MavGirl.....lol.

 

and i had a guy tell me yesterday that i needed a large threat unit instead of supporting units to take down my enemy.

[Freman Bloodglaive]

It's like playing 1000 points with a Space Marine bike army.

 

You really only have one hard hitting unit, your biker captain, while the rest of your army (even the librarian) is pretty soft. You generally try to only throw him into assaults while keeping the rest of your bikes out of trouble.

 

Given how little use I get out of them I'm not sure I really need the powerfists on the squad sergeants, but in a bike army 50 points doesn't really buy you much.

 

Grey Hunters are only a little better than normal assault marines in combat (though they are better overall because they shoot better than a tactical squad and fight better than an assault squad for slightly less points) so Wolves need a few heavy assault units and a tooled up Wolf Lord is one of those.

[Sarapham]

has anyone tried a wolf priest on a bike with saga of wolf the wolf-kin, attached/accompanied by a full 15 pack fen wolves?

 

A bike would not be of much use in that case other than if you want to get away from the unit quickly, with their different movements and assault-ranges and all :)

I was thinking more about having a similar tactic with what MavGirl did... whom ever gets into close combat first (bike or fen wolves) both side by side but not attached, gets locked in combat, while the other is free to swarm/surround from an exposed opening.

 

Yeah that could work as a lovely harrasing and very unpredictable unit :lol:

[Dewi Sant]

The thing I like most about 40k is that apart from the concept of combined arms integration and the need for mutual support, that it plays out nothing like real life.

My military friends might tell you different. Not to mention some coaches I know, from hockey, rugby, football or soccer LOL anyway, MavGirl was playing like a true wolf, using pack mentality and complimenting the attended and weaknesses of each pack in her list.

 

Well this military man says different...lol I should have proberly been clearer in my statement and not so broad and sweeping. While eliments of the game are true to real life and battle field tactics work very well in 40K such as fixing the enemy in position before striking, use of cover, fire support placement and mutral support. A lot of SW comanders adopt the manoeuvre warfare aproch when using their forces without even knowing what it is. I have also had great sucsess in the game after carrying out an IPB (information preparation of the battlefield) before deploying my forces.

 

Hoever some things in the game don't cross over. For example, the padre (Wolf Priest) would never run out in-front of a section, (Grey Hunters) and start beating the enemy to death. In game terms this is what MavGirl did and it rocked.

 

I do like MavGirls idea of a WP with a jump pack dashing about the battle space exploiting the enemy at their weakest points. Might have to give this a go myself.

[maverik_girl]

Nice move MavGirl;

 

This is the basis of pretty much all the tactics I have expressed on the forum here and it appears you might have been paying attention.....LOL!

LOL to be honest, I wasn't.... :devil: I didn't know anything about it. I learn everything from MaveriK. I just figured the jumping wolf priest supporting the grey hunters was more pack mentality, and common sense, in how-to play proper Space Wolves :)

 

Synergy between units, you are doing it MavGirl.....lol.

thank you ;)

[maverik_girl]

Hoever some things in the game don't cross over. For example, the padre (Wolf Priest) would never run out in-front of a section, (Grey Hunters) and start beating the enemy to death. In game terms this is what MavGirl did and it rocked.

haha well if you look at it as a padre instead of a "specialist" then I can see why your having a hard time accepting the cross over into reality. And in game terms my Wolf Priest came in from the sides, not in-front of a section. My Grey Hunters, soften up enemy units from rapid fire. Kinda like how a team would set-up a defender (Wolf Priest) to go in for the tackle.

[Dewi Sant]

Hoever some things in the game don't cross over. For example, the padre (Wolf Priest) would never run out in-front of a section, (Grey Hunters) and start beating the enemy to death. In game terms this is what MavGirl did and it rocked.

haha well if you look at it as a padre instead of a "specialist" then I can see why your having a hard time accepting the cross over into reality. And in game terms my Wolf Priest came in from the sides, not in-front of a section. My Grey Hunters, soften up enemy units from rapid fire. Kinda like how a team would set-up a defender (Wolf Priest) to go in for the tackle.

 

Well as long as your WP made the GH's/WG pack leader aware that he was going on a left/right flanking assault, his last bound location, and when to switch fire to the flanks and into En (enemy) depth positions the soldier in me is happy :D . Being Welsh I know little of ice hockey apart from it looks bad ass. :P

[Toasterfree]

Hoever some things in the game don't cross over. For example, the padre (Wolf Priest) would never run out in-front of a section, (Grey Hunters) and start beating the enemy to death. In game terms this is what MavGirl did and it rocked.

haha well if you look at it as a padre instead of a "specialist" then I can see why your having a hard time accepting the cross over into reality. And in game terms my Wolf Priest came in from the sides, not in-front of a section. My Grey Hunters, soften up enemy units from rapid fire. Kinda like how a team would set-up a defender (Wolf Priest) to go in for the tackle.

 

Well as long as your WP made the GH's/WG pack leader aware that he was going on a left/right flanking assault, his last bound location, and when to switch fire to the flanks and into En (enemy) depth positions the soldier in me is happy :D . Being Welsh I know little of ice hockey apart from it looks bad ass. :P

i think she was making a CFL reference. its called a check in hockey not a tackle.

[Dewi Sant]

Hoever some things in the game don't cross over. For example, the padre (Wolf Priest) would never run out in-front of a section, (Grey Hunters) and start beating the enemy to death. In game terms this is what MavGirl did and it rocked.

haha well if you look at it as a padre instead of a "specialist" then I can see why your having a hard time accepting the cross over into reality. And in game terms my Wolf Priest came in from the sides, not in-front of a section. My Grey Hunters, soften up enemy units from rapid fire. Kinda like how a team would set-up a defender (Wolf Priest) to go in for the tackle.

 

Well as long as your WP made the GH's/WG pack leader aware that he was going on a left/right flanking assault, his last bound location, and when to switch fire to the flanks and into En (enemy) depth positions the soldier in me is happy :D . Being Welsh I know little of ice hockey apart from it looks bad ass. :P

i think she was making a CFL reference. its called a check in hockey not a tackle.

 

I must confess I have no idea about the finer points of CFL either. :D

[Toasterfree]

dont wory, nor do i. i just know that it wasnt hockey related. they are called defensemen there, not defenders. it could be soccer...

[Grimtooth]

Nice move MavGirl;

 

This is the basis of pretty much all the tactics I have expressed on the forum here and it appears you might have been paying attention.....LOL!

 

Plain and simple, this is the concept of close unit support taken down to the very basic level of squad member composition. You had a rapid firing squad, that while the wolf priest was attached, had the extra muscle to assault if needed. At the point where the rapid firing became more beneficial then assaulting, the wolf priest detached, thus creating a situation where you had both rapid firing ranged superiority with close support of close combat superiority.

 

I have done this on pack levels,

 

One dual plasma gun pack rapid firing into a BA tactical while within assault range my dual meltagun pack fired using pistols and meltaguns to assault what was left over.

 

Wolf Lord on TWM attached to 15 Fenrisian Wolves. During movement I seperated the wolf lord from the Fenrisian Wolves. Assaulted my Fenrisian Wolves into an IG platoon while my wolf lord blasted into some IG sentinels. Wolves tied up the platoon so they were not able to fire upon my wolf lord who decimated the sentinels and would have easily been subject to first rand/second rank fire.

 

Synergy between units, you are doing it MavGirl.....lol.

 

and i had a guy tell me yesterday that i needed a large threat unit instead of supporting units to take down my enemy.

 

I said it in the other thread, the era of deathstar units is over.

[hendrik]

and i had a guy tell me yesterday that i needed a large threat unit instead of supporting units to take down my enemy.

 

I said it in the other thread, the era of deathstar units is over.

a large threat unit doesn't mean it's a deathstar. hell, look at how a lot of players react to a vindicator, coming in at about 130points this babyboy is still cheaper then your average grey hunter pack an yet still gets looked upon as a large threat unit. 15 bloodclaws storming forward in a landraider can be a large threat unit but so can scouts OBELing, or 2 pods full of grey hunters with TDA armoured wolf guard with them.

[Grimtooth]

and i had a guy tell me yesterday that i needed a large threat unit instead of supporting units to take down my enemy.

 

I said it in the other thread, the era of deathstar units is over.

a large threat unit doesn't mean it's a deathstar. hell, look at how a lot of players react to a vindicator, coming in at about 130points this babyboy is still cheaper then your average grey hunter pack an yet still gets looked upon as a large threat unit. 15 bloodclaws storming forward in a landraider can be a large threat unit but so can scouts OBELing, or 2 pods full of grey hunters with TDA armoured wolf guard with them.

 

My issue is that I do not see any of those as large threat units but instead just distractions.

 

A vindi is not going to fold a flank on its own, a unit of wolf scouts will come in a blaze of glory and depart in similar fashion, podding in offensively leaves you within volume of fire range with most armies.

 

Arjac and 10 WGTDA with ss/th is going to fold a flank. You cannot play them off as just a distraction, they are a threat.

[Toasterfree]

My issue is that I do not see any of those as large threat units but instead just distractions.

 

A vindi is not going to fold a flank on its own, a unit of wolf scouts will come in a blaze of glory and depart in similar fashion, podding in offensively leaves you within volume of fire range with most armies.

 

Arjac and 10 WGTDA with ss/th is going to fold a flank. You cannot play them off as just a distraction, they are a threat.

i disagree with you saying that a vind is not going to fold a flank...ive done it. with minimal support for it. you may not see many units as a distraction. that just means that you have good sense. but if you are playing someone with just the same sense a shock weapon like a vind that can take out an entire unit....suddenly that demands respect. vinds win games. period. if you dont take it out, and take it out fast, its gonna take you out. maybe no one has played one effectivley against you.