Rafen_2 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Some of you might remember my terrible DIY the Blood Eagles and how bad that went. That was because I kept changing little things and eventually they started to collide and showed me how silly it was. So here are the basic details and I would like you guys to comment before I start. And as always thanks! Raven Guard Successors (4th Founding) Paint scheme: Album Chapter Symbol: Brief Details: During the fourth founding it was decided that one of the newly discovered systems would need a Space Marine Chapter to protect them since these worlds were good Industrial Worlds. So the Raven Guard began training the recruits for the new chapter by putting them into their 5th Company until they were ready. Their leader, Rafen Talonspyre, thought that in order to defeat Chaos you must remove personal goals and emotions in order not to be tempted. So with the help of the Adeptus Mechanicus e created a brain-washing facility on his Chapter's homeworld (tbd) and started brainwashing his men. The results ended in perfect non-emotional marines. They could still think and talk like a normal person but without the emotions fueling them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233120-lords-of-silence/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 I would make them 3rd or 4th founding, as a lot of people frown upon 2nd foundngs. Also, the Raven Guard suffered horrindously during the HH, so they could only make a few successors during the second founding, and those were pretty much set. They also had their genetic flaws brought on by Corax's speedy rebuilding, so they didn't swell fast enough to make a new chapter. How about Shadow Eagles? (Your schemes weren't showing up, btw). +Edit+ Also, while it sounds good, I think you are somewhat pushing it with the whole remembering and emotionless concept. It will be hard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233120-lords-of-silence/#findComment-2805275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Their geneseed has also been riotously unstable - they need to draw on the Ad Mech stocks to maintain viability. Them ending up with too many marines just wouldn't happen. Silent Guard would be an obvious name. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233120-lords-of-silence/#findComment-2805280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fivepointedstar Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 why use raven -like birds then if you prefer a more silent bird.. why not an Owl as they are the only true silent birds of prey. Plus side is owl's are always asking "who" like your marines are asking "who" are they now.. what about the Strigiformes or Owl Guards since the are a successor of Raven Guards it is sumwhat plausible to use another "bird of prey" other than Eagles/ Ravens to be used. hope that helps Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233120-lords-of-silence/#findComment-2805281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 How about Stalking Owls, or Shadow Owls? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233120-lords-of-silence/#findComment-2805285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafen_2 Posted June 28, 2011 Author Share Posted June 28, 2011 Thanks for the quick responses! @Telanicus: You got a point with the founding. I remember the Drop site Massacre but didn't think it took them that long to recover but I'll probably do 4th to give them some more time. As far as the emotionless goes I'm keeping that but might through out the "I'm him now" thing. @Octavulg: What would you suggest would be a good reason to create a new chapter? I've read the guide and I wanted to do the fledgling chapter thing so maybe they just need to train marines to guard the system? @DeathKinght2000: I like the concept of the owls being silent plus the who? made me giggle :lol:. Out of all of them I like the Silent Guard the best. It deals with the bird being over used plus sound rather badass. I'll start re-adjusting the fluff and see what you guys think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233120-lords-of-silence/#findComment-2805318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Who needs a reason at all? "The Imperium needed more Space Marines, for the Imperium is eternally screwed. They picked the Raven Guard because they hadn't yet noticed how screwed up their genetics were. And so the Silent Guard were founded." You need a reason for you to create the chapter, not for the Imperium to do so. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233120-lords-of-silence/#findComment-2805320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominicus Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Swooping Cranes :lol: On a more serious note: Knights of the Hawk Raven Lords Silent Knights Lords of Silence Hawk Warriors Ice Hawks Deliverators ( After Deliverance) Hope this helps. EDIT: Looks like I'm a little late on the draw. Again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233120-lords-of-silence/#findComment-2805324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafen_2 Posted June 28, 2011 Author Share Posted June 28, 2011 I like Lords of Silence. Might actually use that! Thanks Dominicus! Now that I got the name can you guys review the fluff? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233120-lords-of-silence/#findComment-2805328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominicus Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 I like Lords of Silence. Might actually use that! Thanks Dominicus! Now that I got the name can you guys review the fluff? No problem. Sure, just post it. I'm sure that NightrawenII will be swooping in for the kill within a few hours. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233120-lords-of-silence/#findComment-2805355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaren Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Sure, just post it. I'm sure that NightrawenII will be swooping in for the kill within a few hours. Not if I get there first :P Brief Details: During the fourth founding it was decided that one of the newly discovered systems would need a Space Marine Chapter to protect them since these worlds were good Industrial Worlds. So the Raven Guard began training the recruits for the new chapter by putting them into their 5th Company until they were ready. That is not a good enough reason to found a Space Marine chapter. Good Industrial Worlds are protected by good PDF and Guard regiments. Space Marines patrol entire sub-sectors and beyond. The guarding of systems that are less than absolute lynch-pins to their respective sectors is beneath the duties of the Adeptus Astartes to be quite honest. Their leader, Rafen Talonspyre, thought that in order to defeat Chaos you must remove personal goals and emotions in order not to be tempted. So with the help of the Adeptus Mechanicus e created a brain-washing facility on his Chapter's homeworld (tbd) and started brainwashing his men. The results ended in perfect non-emotional marines. They could still think and talk like a normal person but without the emotions fueling them. So what drives them? They can't feel loyalty to the Throne, as that is an emotion. They can't feel honor or courage, as those are both emotions. What is their motivation to campaign against the most horrific enemies of man, and die in the most horrific ways imaginable, if you can't feel any sort of emotion towards those you fight or those you protect? While the idea of purely emotionless killers who fight and die as automatons is cool and all, it doesn't explain how or why they fight. Other than that, not much to comment on yet, needs more info for sure. The name is decent though, has a definite Raven Guard successor ring to it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233120-lords-of-silence/#findComment-2805373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafen_2 Posted June 28, 2011 Author Share Posted June 28, 2011 That is not a good enough reason to found a Space Marine chapter. Good Industrial Worlds are protected by good PDF and Guard regiments. Space Marines patrol entire sub-sectors and beyond. The guarding of systems that are less than absolute lynch-pins to their respective sectors is beneath the duties of the Adeptus Astartes to be quite honest. True. I might make them a fleet based chapter so they can guard a certain sector. Seems to make more sense and I constantly get issues with the home system thing. So what drives them? They can't feel loyalty to the Throne, as that is an emotion. They can't feel honor or courage, as those are both emotions. What is their motivation to campaign against the most horrific enemies of man, and die in the most horrific ways imaginable, if you can't feel any sort of emotion towards those you fight or those you protect? While the idea of purely emotionless killers who fight and die as automatons is cool and all, it doesn't explain how or why they fight. Remember that brainwashing not only gets rid of stuff it inputs stuff. So these guys lose the emotions but get forced in their ultimate duty to the Emperor. So they might not want to fight for glory or honor they fight for the reason they exist. Kinda like servitors, they have no emotions and get input on what they are created to do and they do it no questions asked. Other than that, not much to comment on yet, needs more info for sure. The name is decent though, has a definite Raven Guard successor ring to it. Not sure which name you meant but as far as info goes I just wanted to throw the heart of the fluff on the table. The whole point of this Chapter is to have emotionless (not mindless) Marines who perform their duty. If there are problems with this then how could I continue writing fluff? So once this tid-bit gets approved I'm going to actually write out a whole DIY thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233120-lords-of-silence/#findComment-2805382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 The concept behind this chapter makes a serious Flaw in the chapter, and adds some serious character. It sounds good. So, who does the brain washing? Do higher ups get their emotions back? Are there outside influences? Do the Apothecaries have emotions? And by emotionless, do you mean free will, but they retain their emotion of love for the Emperor? Or do they lose that too, and are thus "programmed" to fight the enemies? And with this, can they be "reprogramed" by infiltrators to fight against the Imperium? (I see this working into a good plot). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233120-lords-of-silence/#findComment-2805441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafen_2 Posted June 28, 2011 Author Share Posted June 28, 2011 Glad you like the flaw. I want a chapter that is completely in left field and are loners. So I figured emotionless automatons would be somewhat nerve wracking to other chapters. So, who does the brain washing? Do higher ups get their emotions back? Are there outside influences? Do the Apothecaries have emotions? When their Chapter Stronghold is created a special room will be created to run this facility which is run by members of the Adeptus Mechanicus until enough Tech Marines can run it. I believe the only person to get his emotions back would be whoever becomes Chapter Master, which would need some proper explaining but can't think of anything yet. What do you mean by outside influences? If you mean does certain conditions in battle affect their behavior well that would need work when I go into tactics. No, Apothecaries don't have emotions nor Chaplains which will actually create some tension with the Black Templars. My chapter doesn't use Librarians since once their minds are wiped they can't access their mental abilities. And by emotionless, do you mean free will, but they retain their emotion of love for the Emperor? Or do they lose that too, and are thus "programmed" to fight the enemies? And with this, can they be "reprogrammed" by infiltrators to fight against the Imperium? (I see this working into a good plot). Their programmed plus I like the "reprogrammed" thing it could work nicely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233120-lords-of-silence/#findComment-2805455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Well may I offer a suggestion? Maybe one of the problems of the procedure is that as they age, the process begins to reverse itself, and emotions come back. Being devoid of all emotions previously makes this phenominon cause many of them to go insane and go into a deep depression. However, there is always at least one or two that survive, and they become the chapter master or candidates. Another possibility is along the lines of the movie Equilibrium. They all lose their emotions, but there are certain things that bring them back. There are always a select group of about 15 of your chapter's command structure that retain all of their emotions, and they ensure that those that regain their emotions go back through the process of having them removed. When one of the council die, they replace the person with the greatest of the non-emotionals, and return his emotions. That way there are always 15 people in the chapter who can moniter to make sure nothing bad happens. They can be the commanders, consists of the Chief Apothecary, Chief Librarian, Master of the Forge, Captains (?), and Chapter Master. They could also be known as the "Watchers(?)" Just an idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233120-lords-of-silence/#findComment-2805484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafen_2 Posted June 28, 2011 Author Share Posted June 28, 2011 The second one is far better. The only issue is that I don't have librarians but the point still stands. So my list for the Council (name tbd): -Chapter Master -Captains (10) -Chief Apothecary -Master Tech Marine -Chief Chaplian or Master Chaplian -Masters (4) So about 18 people. I guess that could work. Well enough of the thinking and time for some writing! Look for the Lords of Silence DIY coming soon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233120-lords-of-silence/#findComment-2805512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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