Brother Chris Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 The B/W pictures in the codex may well show Landspeeder and Bike crews as wearing red helmets. They also describe the attack bikes as like mobile devastators!. The models, however, only show bikers and landspeeder crews from the 2nd company assault squads, which I think has been the usual convention for the figures. That means on the big colour picture inside the front cover we can see 60% (12) of the second company's full complement of assault marines, which really does seem low for such an assault based chapter. On the other hand, what on earth do the 100 Blood Angels in the Devastator reserve company do all day? Only 50 of them even have heavy weapons and I can't imagine a game where anyone has had to draw on them. Maybe they are the ones who embroider the nice chapter banners and paint the artworks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233443-company-composition/page/2/#findComment-2813300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 They're attached to the Battle Companies as needed. They don't fight as a whole company normally. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233443-company-composition/page/2/#findComment-2813493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Sky Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I've gone through 3rd and 5th edition rulebooks, all codexes including the white dwarf one. and I've yet to find the blurp about tacticals retaining their jump packs and being fielded as assault marines. It might be in the 4th ed. rulebook or a chapter approved article, but I do not have access to either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233443-company-composition/page/2/#findComment-2813910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 thats probably because it doesnt exist... It'll be some interweb fanboi summation of what the ba's are, repeated and amended, changing slightly each time. And we aren't an assault based army, nor do we have more assault marines than any other chapter, and while i'm at it- we're not vampires! Did i miss anything? Oh yeah, we aren't immortal. Have fun y'all! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233443-company-composition/page/2/#findComment-2814288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 for m storm angls 5th co one of my tactical squads has traded its bolters in for chainswords, as its what the mission demands and the sargent of the squads preference(unusually for a son of sanguinius he dosent trust jumpacks otherwise hed be leader of an aassault squad. oh and hes a phsyco and dosent trust stuff to stay ded till hes sure hes removed its head... (also i realised im never gonna use 6 tactical squads at the same time so it was an easy thing to do) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233443-company-composition/page/2/#findComment-2814294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklighter Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 thats probably because it doesnt exist... It'll be some interweb fanboi summation of what the ba's are, repeated and amended, changing slightly each time. And we aren't an assault based army, nor do we have more assault marines than any other chapter, and while i'm at it- we're not vampires! Did i miss anything? Oh yeah, we aren't immortal. Have fun y'all! I also can't find the quote, but while I looked for it I found this quote instead: Taken from UK WD364 P19. "The Blood Angels are an assault-orientated army" says Mat. "For them it's not a specialism or merely a phase of their training but second nature; the legacy of their winged Primarch. Their jump packs are not passed down but remain with them as part of their wargear......... blah blah descent of angels stuffs" As for Vampiric we have had many pictures from second edition onwards depicting vampire like fangs on marines. Also until the PDFdex Mephiston had to make a roll or stop to feed on the blood of the his victims...... It's subtle but the connection can be made. Immortal no, long lived yes. But how long do you have to live before it looks like your immortal to an average Joe? I'm not saying people have to view the chapter like this. But it can all be backed up with what's been officially released by GW and not just my personal opinion. I know different people see things in other shades, but that's no reason to stop people from doing their own thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233443-company-composition/page/2/#findComment-2814568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 thats probably because it doesnt exist... It'll be some interweb fanboi summation of what the ba's are, repeated and amended, changing slightly each time. And we aren't an assault based army, nor do we have more assault marines than any other chapter, and while i'm at it- we're not vampires! Did i miss anything? Oh yeah, we aren't immortal. Have fun y'all! I also can't find the quote, but while I looked for it I found this quote instead: Taken from UK WD364 P19. "The Blood Angels are an assault-orientated army" says Mat. "For them it's not a specialism or merely a phase of their training but second nature; the legacy of their winged Primarch. Their jump packs are not passed down but remain with them as part of their wargear......... blah blah descent of angels stuffs" Like I said - fanboi... :P As for the rest - its a bit too early in the morning to get into all that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233443-company-composition/page/2/#findComment-2814606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Chris Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 I think we have agreed to differ on how vampiric the Blood Angels are. There is evidence each way and it boils down to personal preference which side to emphasise. I don't think it impinges on the company composition. This has always be described as adhering to the Codex, we know that, but the OP was having difficulty applying this in practice. I think crewing land speeders and bikes from the tactical squads was the best solution, rather than branching out into the reserve companies which would make the job even bigger! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233443-company-composition/page/2/#findComment-2814837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judaz Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 I don't get why landspeeders should be driven by assault marines? Bikes, sure they can assault so why not? But a landspeeder is a rather fragile thing, and to let a newborn space marine drive it into the enemy ranks sounds rather stupid. I don't have my speeders yet, hopefully I'll get them next week, and I think I will paint them with red helmets on. Or maybe blue? A landspeeder is truly a mobile devestator, is it not? OT: I think someone have mentioned it, but a simple way of getting your 2nd coy to have 4 ass squads is to split the 2 squads into 4 razors. Same squad markings but with a 'I' and a 'II' somewhere on the squadmarking makes it ok with WYSIWYG. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233443-company-composition/page/2/#findComment-2814905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklighter Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 thats probably because it doesnt exist... It'll be some interweb fanboi summation of what the ba's are, repeated and amended, changing slightly each time. And we aren't an assault based army, nor do we have more assault marines than any other chapter, and while i'm at it- we're not vampires! Did i miss anything? Oh yeah, we aren't immortal. Have fun y'all! I also can't find the quote, but while I looked for it I found this quote instead: Taken from UK WD364 P19. "The Blood Angels are an assault-orientated army" says Mat. "For them it's not a specialism or merely a phase of their training but second nature; the legacy of their winged Primarch. Their jump packs are not passed down but remain with them as part of their wargear......... blah blah descent of angels stuffs" Like I said - fanboi... :wallbash: As for the rest - its a bit too early in the morning to get into all that. It's nice to see you put a lot of thought into your reply. ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233443-company-composition/page/2/#findComment-2815431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 succinct, i prefer to think of it as... :-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233443-company-composition/page/2/#findComment-2815486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venerable Jazzman Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 One thing to watch is that you might get some ass-wipe arguing that if your Marines don't have yellow helmets, they don't get the 35pt discount on transports.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233443-company-composition/page/2/#findComment-2815520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjaco Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Does this heretic have a name and address? So that we may mail him a bolter endorsed correction, Battle Brother? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233443-company-composition/page/2/#findComment-2815671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 I've always thought the bit about how BA are the longest lived marines is kind of bullocks. If any of you guys got into the Horus Heresy series there's plenty of references to the fact that all the gene-forging makes all space marines effectively immortal, or as close as you can get. However it's also mentioned that no marine's avoided being shot/stabbed/dismembered/melted/turned into a spawn/petrified/bludgeoned/set on fire/possessed/decomposed/exploded/flayed open/crucified/eaten/run over/atomized/vaporized/beheaded/asphyxiated/psychically given the brain of a kitten/"accidentally" purified for drinking the last soda from the chapter cooler that morning in war long enough for anyone to really find out. I think BA just get the title of longest lived because our Chapter Master has just made the longest run so far without failing to notice when something's about to kill him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233443-company-composition/page/2/#findComment-2816381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 if you read the salamander novels, it's proven that marines DO age over time and will die of old age. I wont go into details, but yeah it's pointed out there. The horus heresy novels aren't good places to cite for space marine immortaility, as they simply hadn't been around long enough to know yet. in the fluff, we actually have quite a few old marines, dante's scout sergeant was in the 2nd ed book, and was considerably older than dante himself for example. According to the last space marine codex, Cassius was one of the oldest ultra marines alive and was only 3-400. With Calgar being of a similar age. Lysander is also pretty old, as he gets lost in the warp though, it's not really the same. Much like Chaos marines usually haven't lived the 10,000 years. for example. In Blood Reaver there is a reference to about twice as much time having gone outside the maelstrom as inside for example. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233443-company-composition/page/2/#findComment-2816493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Actually, that was because he had suffered such awful injuries that he was completely paralysed and couldn't do anything. However, there has long been fluff stating that Blood Angels live something like double the average marine, and hence spend much of their life devoted to art or sculpture. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233443-company-composition/page/2/#findComment-2816576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Chris Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Only the Blood Angels have conquered male pattern balding, so they look a lot younger than the other chapters. Also, at the time of the heresy the Space Marines simply hadn't lived long enough to find out how long lived they were. We have had another 10,000 years to find out that 500 is quite unusual and 1,000+ is exceptional. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233443-company-composition/page/2/#findComment-2816588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judaz Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 And also, at the time of the heresy the emperor was still alive. The knowledge to create a perfect space marine was still known by him. And the gene seed was purer and stronger then. 10000 years later the seed just ain't that strong anymore. At that time maybe they could live forever, but now they do age. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233443-company-composition/page/2/#findComment-2816703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 All very true. Though I feel like I should say that the ancient Salamander had been sitting stock still for a couple millenia. I believe it's that that would have done him in more than simple age. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233443-company-composition/page/2/#findComment-2816770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoulius Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 I've always thought the bit about how BA are the longest lived marines is kind of bullocks. If any of you guys got into the Horus Heresy series there's plenty of references to the fact that all the gene-forging makes all space marines effectively immortal, or as close as you can get. However it's also mentioned that no marine's avoided being shot/stabbed/dismembered/melted/turned into a spawn/petrified/bludgeoned/set on fire/possessed/decomposed/exploded/flayed open/crucified/eaten/run over/atomized/vaporized/beheaded/asphyxiated/psychically given the brain of a kitten/"accidentally" purified for drinking the last soda from the chapter cooler that morning in war long enough for anyone to really find out. I think BA just get the title of longest lived because our Chapter Master has just made the longest run so far without failing to notice when something's about to kill him. actually it would be the opposite :) if he dident somone was out to kill or to name just one of your own examples, behead him; he wouldnt live very long :P i think aside from general badassery hes also got a good head on his shoulder (lol) and uses it in more ways other then headbutting people :huh: blood angels in general are also long lived. but renember that the chapter is very close to the blood of their primarch and uses purifying rituals pretty regulary. this on its own would keep their geneseed pretty stable :) (until the rage comes along anyway :lol: ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233443-company-composition/page/2/#findComment-2816802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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