Arez Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 in about 4 hours i have my 2nd game i ever played.theres going to be about 6 people.the person said bring what you can up to 3000 points.Heres my army list HQ:Logan Grimnar Njal Stormcaller Rune priest-plasma pictol,master of the runes,Saga of the warrior born, Wolf tooth necklace, walk tail talisman Bjorn The Fell-Handed Elites: Venerable Dreadnaught-plasma cannon, extra armor, wolf tail talisman, wolf tooth necklace, Saga of Majesty Iron priest- 4 cyber wolves, 3 thrall servitors, wolf tooth necklace, wolf tail talisman, Saga of the Iron Wolf Toops: 6 Wolf guard- 1 storm bolter, 1 frost axe, 1 with TH/SS, 1 frost blade, 1 with twin wolf claws 15 Blood Claws-1 plasma pistol, 1 power fist Lukas the Trickster Fast attack: 8 swiftclaws- 1 plasma, 1 power sword Heavy support: Land Raider Crusader Predator-twin lascannon, side lascannons Predator 5 Long Fangs-3 ML, 1 las, 1 multi melta Long fang pack leader- plasma gun Dedicated transport: Rhino-extra armor Wolf guards are getting the Rhino Bloodclaws the Land Raider. giving a Wolf guard to the BloodClaws and a Guard to the Long fangs this list came in at 2896. Well wish me Luck Brothers. I have no clue who im facing.I'm thinking at least 1 person is going to be Imperial Guards and 1 Ultramarines.Playing with my dad and hes using Eldar but i dont know what the teams are. EDIT:changed the title and sub title Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233575-2nd-game-cancelled-for-now/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 You don't have enough Troops for 3k. Not only not enough bodies, but only two troop units...they die and at best you can only draw (or give him a minor victory)...unless of course you plan to completely wipe him from the table? I'd re-examine your upgrade choices and drop some based on what you feel the role of each model/unit is. Maybe drop one of your ICs or Preds and get a "wolf-tactical squad" in there or something. If it's the case that "this is as many models as you have" I'd recommend going for a 2000 point list instead, so you're not severely outmatched by someone who simply owns more models than you do. That said, looks like a fun list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233575-2nd-game-cancelled-for-now/#findComment-2811859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arez Posted July 6, 2011 Author Share Posted July 6, 2011 You don't have enough Troops for 3k. Not only not enough bodies, but only two troop units...they die and at best you can only draw (or give him a minor victory)...unless of course you plan to completely wipe him from the table? I'd re-examine your upgrade choices and drop some based on what you feel the role of each model/unit is. Maybe drop one of your ICs or Preds and get a "wolf-tactical squad" in there or something. If it's the case that "this is as many models as you have" I'd recommend going for a 2000 point list instead, so you're not severely outmatched by someone who simply owns more models than you do. That said, looks like a fun list. its a friendly game.thanks for the advice.this list is made up of units i want to try and yes im planning on wiping whoever faces me from the board. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233575-2nd-game-cancelled-for-now/#findComment-2811861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 and yes im planning on wiping whoever faces me from the board. Ha! Keep that confidence. :) And enjoy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233575-2nd-game-cancelled-for-now/#findComment-2811865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 You're gonna get owned lol. That Rune Priest is confused for sure. Or do you mean wolf priest! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233575-2nd-game-cancelled-for-now/#findComment-2811892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 not to dissapoint you whelp but this list makes it easy to win for your opponent. you're lacking bodies. how about including a grey hunter unit instead of lukas? remember lukas' last laugh can really work against you and result in moving a lot of your own models. you're also not fielding a lot of vehicles, this will result in your opponent being able to focus all of his AT firepower on a single tank instead of dividing it over multiple threats. i'd also make bjorn either a normal or a venerable dreadnought, you'll need the points to field more troops. good luck though greenhorn! make us proud will you ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233575-2nd-game-cancelled-for-now/#findComment-2811924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 how about including a grey hunter unit instead of lukas? I really can't support this sentiment enough. More bodies. You want more bodies. You want more infantry models on the table. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233575-2nd-game-cancelled-for-now/#findComment-2811936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Less high priced special charactors too. But way more bodies which count as troops. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233575-2nd-game-cancelled-for-now/#findComment-2811940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeenos Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 The man isnt asking for advice, he is asking for well wishs! Good Luck! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233575-2nd-game-cancelled-for-now/#findComment-2811942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arez Posted July 6, 2011 Author Share Posted July 6, 2011 You're gonna get owned lol. That Rune Priest is confused for sure. Or do you mean wolf priest! No.a rune priest.if its because of the Saga i took it cause i figured if i was facing IG or any mass i would be doing alot of assaulting not to dissapoint you whelp but this list makes it easy to win for your opponent. you're lacking bodies.how about including a grey hunter unit instead of lukas? remember lukas' last laugh can really work against you and result in moving a lot of your own models. you're also not fielding a lot of vehicles, this will result in your opponent being able to focus all of his AT firepower on a single tank instead of dividing it over multiple threats. i'd also make bjorn either a normal or a venerable dreadnought, you'll need the points to field more troops. good luck though greenhorn! make us proud will you ;) I wanna try the last laugh.quick question about that.so can i have lukas and 15 BC or is it 14 BC and lukas? and thanks Less high priced special charactors too. But way more bodies which count as troops. took Logan cause i seen people was having good luck with him Bjorn causee i wanna try him out and his stats look pretty good lukas cause of the last laugh ^_^ Njal cause i can use all powers The man isnt asking for advice, he is asking for well wishs! Good Luck! Thanks but the advice is good to as i will hopefully start playing more. Unfortunately the host had to cancel because he was called back to work :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233575-2nd-game-cancelled-for-now/#findComment-2811954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 No.a rune priest.if its because of the Saga i took it cause i figured if i was facing IG or any mass i would be doing alot of assaulting I hate to harp on the same point...but you won't see a lot of assaulting. You don't have enough bodies. If you assault IG, you will get swarmed with IG infantry men, and they will consume you with their panicked flailing and shrieks of terror being pressed into melee against your space marines. Your marines will be overwhelmed and pulled down by sheer mass and it will suck for you pretty badly. Get more marines. Wolf Guard! Two units! Do it! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233575-2nd-game-cancelled-for-now/#findComment-2811956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 ofcourseall those units are fine units arez, but you're making a typical bloodclaw mistake by not looking further then your chainsword... your army doesn't form a solid pack on it's own. sure you've got the alpha males(plenty of hard hitting hq's. but what about the backbone of the pack, the wolves who make the pack big enough to keep on continuing the hunt?(grey hunters). the most important thing in an armylist is to find the combination of units that works together as a well seasoned pack of wolves to bring down it's prey, instead of judging every wolf (unit) purely on it's own. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233575-2nd-game-cancelled-for-now/#findComment-2811965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arez Posted July 6, 2011 Author Share Posted July 6, 2011 ofcourseall those units are fine units arez, but you're making a typical bloodclaw mistake by not looking further then your chainsword...your army doesn't form a solid pack on it's own. sure you've got the alpha males(plenty of hard hitting hq's. but what about the backbone of the pack, the wolves who make the pack big enough to keep on continuing the hunt?(grey hunters). the most important thing in an armylist is to find the combination of units that works together as a well seasoned pack of wolves to bring down it's prey, instead of judging every wolf (unit) purely on it's own. k can you make a max 3000 army list so i can see?PM is ok to :) i cant do swarms as im 97% of the units im using are my dads.i think he has mostly Grey Hunter equivalents.The cool think about that is most of them are from the rogue trader era ;) i guess it was a good thing that it was canceled so i can be taught if anyone has army list suggestion pm and i'll look and learn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233575-2nd-game-cancelled-for-now/#findComment-2812033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 nothing wrong with grey hunters! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233575-2nd-game-cancelled-for-now/#findComment-2812056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arez Posted July 6, 2011 Author Share Posted July 6, 2011 nothing wrong with grey hunters! it is if they are painted as white scars, ultrasmurfs and vampires(blood angels) and i think a few other.my dad has tons of marines painted in different chapters LOL.joking joking :) but ya.i just wanted to try different troops.but i guess i should focus on only 1 or 2 at a time eh? :D i just thought of doing a 2000 point army of grey hunters only and a few rhinos....OOOoooo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233575-2nd-game-cancelled-for-now/#findComment-2812073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Dusts off wolf dex. It's like 180 for a full GH pack of 10 with a melta and a PF; take three or four of them to start. Grimnar and Njal are a popular pairing as HQs (I seem to see them together a lot around here) so no reason not to take them both. One Land Raider at 3000 will die very quickly; consider taking two (and putting GH in at least one of them). Trouble with taking two of course is that it limits what you should be spamming: Long Fangs. Take 2-3 units of them with MLs if you can fit them. Fill your elite slots with dreads. You might like Riflemen, but if you've got 2+ units of LFs with MLs, you can take Assault Cannon dreads instead. From there I'd either take even more Troop options (remember that Wolf Guard count as Troop choices with Logan, so you can fill out with those and Grey Hunters) or even some Land Speeder squadrons (Typhoooon!). Alternatively, get yourself some Thunderwolf Cav for a fun change. :D Mount each GH squad in Rhinos! I wonder if I forgot anything else... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233575-2nd-game-cancelled-for-now/#findComment-2812077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 In addition to Thade's advice: Take at least three, maybe four Troop choices. They don't all have to be full strength but it's a good idea. Also, don't forget you get a free second special weapon on your packs. Maximise on the fact that Wolf Guard are Troops if you take the Old Wolf. Stick them in Land Raiders for a big charge unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233575-2nd-game-cancelled-for-now/#findComment-2812080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arez Posted July 6, 2011 Author Share Posted July 6, 2011 Dusts off wolf dex. It's like 180 for a full GH pack of 10 with a melta and a PF; take three or four of them to start. Grimnar and Njal are a popular pairing as HQs (I seem to see them together a lot around here) so no reason not to take them both. One Land Raider at 3000 will die very quickly; consider taking two (and putting GH in at least one of them). Trouble with taking two of course is that it limits what you should be spamming: Long Fangs. Take 2-3 units of them with MLs if you can fit them. Fill your elite slots with dreads. You might like Riflemen, but if you've got 2+ units of LFs with MLs, you can take Assault Cannon dreads instead. From there I'd either take even more Troop options (remember that Wolf Guard count as Troop choices with Logan, so you can fill out with those and Grey Hunters) or even some Land Speeder squadrons (Typhoooon!). Alternatively, get yourself some Thunderwolf Cav for a fun change. :) Mount each GH squad in Rhinos! I wonder if I forgot anything else... I'll see if my dad has those troops.thanks for the advice In addition to Thade's advice:Take at least three, maybe four Troop choices. They don't all have to be full strength but it's a good idea. Also, don't forget you get a free second special weapon on your packs. Maximise on the fact that Wolf Guard are Troops if you take the Old Wolf. Stick them in Land Raiders for a big charge unit. thats what i was going to do with the bloodclaws in my first post. what Land Raider? you people have to specify the variants :D EDIT:no go on the 2nd land Raider. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233575-2nd-game-cancelled-for-now/#findComment-2812092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 what Land Raider? you people have to specify the variants :D This is entirely down to preference and playstyle; I magnetized my sponsons so I can swap game-to-game. LR Crusaders (with Hurricane Bolters) are gun boats; they have fire power and durability equivalent to a Tactical Squad, roughly, but it can fire on the move and also carry a squad. Since the sponsons are S4 they count as defensive weapons, so you can move 6" and fire them for free, fire one weapon of choice, and then fire any other weapon with PotMS...all of its guns. I sometimes throw a storm bolter on it, just to be silly. SO MANY GUNS. LR Redeemers (with Flamestorm Cannons) are nice against Space Marines, Necrons...anything with a lot of 3+ saves. Not to mention that Assault Cannons are awesome, and this one is twin-linked. Assault Cannons put the hurt on squads and are decent against light armor. In a pinch it has a chance of tearing into a Land Raider. LR Godhammer (with the Lascannons) are great for back field camping and support. TL-Lascannons can take pot shots at light or heavy armor safely at range, and the Heavy Bolter is nice when enemy infantry closes in on your deployment zone. Not to say that you can't advance these things; you certainly can. But it's the only LR with 48" range on it. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233575-2nd-game-cancelled-for-now/#findComment-2812098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 I tend to prefer the Redeemer, not only because it has really big flamethrowers on it, but also because it has the perfect balance between firepower and transport capacity, and, with the addition of a multi-melta is quite versatile. Stick Logan and some Wolf Guard in it and watch as your opponent suffers a mental breakdown and cries in the corner. Plus you can magnetise the kit and get two variants for the price of one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233575-2nd-game-cancelled-for-now/#findComment-2812130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 I tend to prefer the Redeemer...because it has really big flamethrowers on it Music to my ears. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233575-2nd-game-cancelled-for-now/#findComment-2812140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arez Posted July 7, 2011 Author Share Posted July 7, 2011 I tend to prefer the Redeemer, not only because it has really big flamethrowers on it, but also because it has the perfect balance between firepower and transport capacity, and, with the addition of a multi-melta is quite versatile. Stick Logan and some Wolf Guard in it and watch as your opponent suffers a mental breakdown and cries in the corner. Plus you can magnetise the kit and get two variants for the price of one. Aye but this is my dads Raider and it is from before he started magnetizing.i list what i have in my company thread.if i mention it here and iots not in the thread that mean its my dads and most of his stuff out and done is rogue trader-3rd edition(i think) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233575-2nd-game-cancelled-for-now/#findComment-2812174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Can you counts-as? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233575-2nd-game-cancelled-for-now/#findComment-2812178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Just have fun with the list raising hell all over. The other weekend I ran the following in a 3vs3 game; Thunderlord: ss/th, runic armor, SoB, WTN Thunderlord: wc/wc, runic armor, SoWB, WTN GH x6, las/plas GH x6, las/plas Fenrisian Wolves x8 Just let them run amok like lunatics till they died. Both fulfilled their sagas quite nicely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233575-2nd-game-cancelled-for-now/#findComment-2812208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arez Posted July 7, 2011 Author Share Posted July 7, 2011 Can you counts-as? ya,thats why i asked what variant :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233575-2nd-game-cancelled-for-now/#findComment-2812211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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