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[Marshal Wilhelm]

what Land Raider? you people have to specify the variants :P

This is entirely down to preference and playstyle; I magnetized my sponsons so I can swap game-to-game.

 

LR Crusaders (with Hurricane Bolters) are gun boats; they have fire power and durability equivalent to a Tactical Squad, roughly, but it can fire on the move and also carry a squad. Since the sponsons are S4 they count as defensive weapons, so you can move 6" and fire them for free, fire one weapon of choice, and then fire any other weapon with PotMS...all of its guns. I sometimes throw a storm bolter on it, just to be silly. SO MANY GUNS.

 

LR Redeemers (with Flamestorm Cannons) are nice against Space Marines, Necrons...anything with a lot of 3+ saves. Not to mention that Assault Cannons are awesome, and this one is twin-linked. Assault Cannons put the hurt on squads and are decent against light armor. In a pinch it has a chance of tearing into a Land Raider.

 

LR Godhammer (with the Lascannons) are great for back field camping and support. TL-Lascannons can take pot shots at light or heavy armor safely at range, and the Heavy Bolter is nice when enemy infantry closes in on your deployment zone. Not to say that you can't advance these things; you certainly can. But it's the only LR with 48" range on it. :)

 

*cough* LR Phobos *cough*

The Phobos has tl LC sponsons, which are called god-hammers. Just like the LR Crusader has hurricane bolter sponsons, and the LR Redeemer has flamestorm cannon sponsons.

 

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I think the Crusader is the easiest to use, for a few reasons:

The Phobos has the trauma of being a long ranged tank and an assault transport. Darkseer showed how this dichotomy can be overcome. Hold the Wolves back for a few turns, shooting with all guns. When the foe makes it through the storm, use the passengers to overwhelm the enemy by getting off the volley and charge.

Darkseer used WG Termies loaded up with combi-weapons and power weapons, a great combination for smoking a low initiative unit such as Tactical Termies. It also overcomes the lack of 3++ saves that can be given to WG at a good rate.

 

The Redeemer has the trauma of having short-ranged templates that rarely converge on one unit due to the width of the LR. Also, should the Redeemer get immobilised, it only contributes the assault cannon and multi melta, as the opponent should not get within range of the flamestorm cannons.

I have had a few games in which Preds have been immobilised yet they have been facing the right direction and so their sponsons kept contributing due to a 48" range. I played a Wolf whose LR Phobos I immobilised quite early, yet he was able to plink away most of the game with the god-hammers.

 

The Crusader has s4 weapons, as Thade pointed out, allowing for more dakka on the move than either of the other variants. Tick. Should the Crusader be immobilised, 24" can still reach out towards the enemy. Tick.

The Crusader can also be used in the 'play slow' fashion that Darkseer did with the Phobos. Hordes of Nids and Orks will be coming towards you, tick, and you don't have to rush the Crusader to within Monster assault range to use its sponsons, tick.

 

As a Tau player, I would dump a Piranha into the face of rushing LR and Battlewagons. You have to go around the Piranha, see?

That means the Redeemer is doing not much with its sponsons, whilst the hurricane bolters could still be within reach of Kroot skirmishers, etc.

 

Also, Deldar and Tau, who are both mobile lists, still die to bolters, and even though they try to get away, are more likely to be within reach of the hurricanes.

 

For these reasons, the Crusader is 'the best' LR due to ease of use and reliability compared to the other two.

I'm not saying the others cannot trump the Crusader, but if you are playing them each for ten games, the Crusader will have contributed more, on average, than the others.

 

But I understand why people like the Redeemer ;)

[Chapter Master Ignis Domus]

The Redeemer has the trauma of having short-ranged templates that rarely converge on one unit due to the width of the LR. Also, should the Redeemer get immobilised, it only contributes the assault cannon and multi melta, as the opponent should not get within range of the flamestorm cannons.

 

Ah, but the beauty of it is that you can flame two different units a turn with the flamestorm cannons, then have your Wolf Guard jump out and assault whichever one they are least likely to kill in one turn. While the short range is a problem, if you have enough stuff advancing, you can always go for target saturation. Or you can go for a Drop Pod or three and plummet down right behind all that nice weak rear armor.

[thade]

*cough* LR Phobos *cough*

The Phobos has tl LC sponsons, which are called god-hammers.

Actually, I once asked the question (in Amicus, iirc) whether they were LR Godhammer Pattern or Phobos pattern, and was told uniformly that the names are interchangeable. <3 I prefer Godhammer as it's more marine-line, no?

[Chapter Master Ignis Domus]

Nooooooo! Godhammer is a lascannon, Phobos is the Land Raider.

 

Lexi:

The lascannons are of the Godhammer Kz9.76 design, requiring replacement barrels after 2000 shots.

[Arez]

Wow thanks for the advice everyone. Ale for you all and some food if you want

 

 

@ Marshal. i could also take a Crusader and Redeemer as people were suggesting taking 2 LR :)

[Marshal Wilhelm]

*cough* LR Phobos *cough*

The Phobos has tl LC sponsons, which are called god-hammers.

Actually, I once asked the question (in Amicus, iirc) whether they were LR Godhammer Pattern or Phobos pattern, and was told uniformly that the names are interchangeable. <3 I prefer Godhammer as it's more marine-line, no?

 

I think it is more that we, the gamers, called it the god hammer, than GW doing it. Everyone would know what you mean and part of the problem was that it was just called the Land Raider by the public, even though it had a pattern name too.

Then when GW realised they could make cool variants, we had the blur between the LR and the LR Crusader:

 

Bob: 'Oh my LR was absolute boss today, it was amazing'

Troy: 'Which LR?'

Bob: 'Err, the godhammer one....'

Troy: 'Hey James, the godhammer LR is totally cool!'

James: 'Oh it has a name? I thought it was just the vanilla LR'

etc.

 

There was a poster of LRs, which I don't think we have, though knowing my brother we could ;) and it has the patterns of the LR was on it.

 

I have looked and looked through the WDs he has, but I am struggling to find a mention of 'Phobos'.

All the WD articles I am reading have 'Land Raider' or 'classic LR' as their description, so if the staff are unclear on its name, no wonder it is hard for us to know it.

 

It must be on the poster....

 

Sorry for the weak answer :(

 

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I cannot agree with the Amicus verdict. If you translated that logic over to the other LR, the Crusader could also be the Hurricane and the Redeemer, the Flamestorm. We'd all know what was meant, but it wouldn't be 'correct'. This is why the Phobos and Godhammer confusion comes in, because even GW has not been strong with calling it the LR Phobos.

 

I do think Godhammer is a tougher name than Phobos.

 

This is a quote from Lord Lorne Walkier, of Warseer:

To those i would only point to the Lower right corner of the Index Astates Article on the page that the LR diagram is on. It clearly say PHOBOS next to the word Pattern. Cant say GW has nothing to do with Index Astartes.

 

Maybe Legatus has that IA....?

 

EDIT: dswanick provides an image of the LR diagram

[Arez]

I know what the others are playing.

Ultramarines

Eldar

Chaos

Imperial Guard

If my dad and I go:

Eldar

Space Wolves

 

 

 

I talk to the host and its likely going to be Imperium against xenos and heretics.

 

Hopefully I kill alot of Heretics and Xenos :lol:

 

 

For Fenris! For Russ! For the EMPEROR!!!!

 

 

:)