Wulfebane Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Has anyone else noticed, what with a seemingly sudden increase in Carcharadon players, how very similar in paint scheme they are to the Space Wolf grey-grey paint scheme? Yeah, there are differences; pelts, totems, pack markings... but strip all that down to just armor and they're near identical. Especially if either army is painted simply or half-heartedly, leaving details a basic black or primer color, etc. Most particularly this identity crisis I can see happening very easily when comparing vehicles, where pelts, etc have to be provided by the player, and are often left off due to effort. Examples: http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z378/RandomSelect/dred1.jpg http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z378/RandomSelect/carcharodonslandraidercrusaderwip3.jpg These were painted by Randomselect, here at B&C. Now, how long would it take you to realize that these weren't space wolf models if you just walked into the gaming room? (This could all be my delusions getting the better of me, but whatever...) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233595-grey-grey-and-identity-crisis/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 It is similar. Almost the same when players avoid the yellows and reds so popular in 2nd ed. What are you trying to say though? There are many white chapters, black, red and even green and yellow. There are only so many colour schemes out there with one colour being the armour, unless you get into halves and quarters, but they must be a test of endurance to paint. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233595-grey-grey-and-identity-crisis/#findComment-2812152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Its the infantry that would tell me for sure. And the lack of wolf heads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233595-grey-grey-and-identity-crisis/#findComment-2812249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacton Qruze Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Its the infantry that would tell me for sure. And the lack of wolf heads. This, unless your club has a propensity for las/plas. I'd just ask before the game. I agree though, it will be hard to tell them apart with the legions of the lazy. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233595-grey-grey-and-identity-crisis/#findComment-2812263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 The dread for example- obviously not a wolf, with the giant =][= symbol on its shoulder. I can only assume the raider will eventually too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233595-grey-grey-and-identity-crisis/#findComment-2812267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Wulfen Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 The dread for example- obviously not a wolf, with the giant =][= symbol on its shoulder. I can only assume the raider will eventually too. i think thats a cross grey. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233595-grey-grey-and-identity-crisis/#findComment-2812283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted July 7, 2011 Author Share Posted July 7, 2011 I'm just spouting concerns for the future... we've managed for a long time as wolves to have a rather unique armour coloring (despite our pelts, totems, etc). I guess I'm not willing to share. And yes, I'm sure there are armies out there that come close, but they're farther and fewer in between, tending to be a single player's DIY painting preference here and there. These Carcharadons (apparently the new fotm from FW) are the closest I've seen and will likely gather a following due to FW support. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233595-grey-grey-and-identity-crisis/#findComment-2812289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 I will probably doing that exact color scheme. However, my transports are kinda wolfed out with runes and matching armor panels to the GH pack that owns it.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233595-grey-grey-and-identity-crisis/#findComment-2812312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 My paint scheme, as far as I can tell, is pretty much the one displayed in the OP; however, I usually give mine a (just above, I must say) average-density wash to give the paint depth. It leaves the odd mark or two, but they work well as battle burns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233595-grey-grey-and-identity-crisis/#findComment-2812347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Can see no wolf symbols and the complete lack of anything non codex says its not a wolf. That and they don't smell right. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233595-grey-grey-and-identity-crisis/#findComment-2812356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rikochet Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 I know how it feels. I play SW rather heavily but I recently entered a challenge with a friend after he got the badab books, he was to make an astral claws army and me a charcarodons army, Ive painted Tyberos the Red-wake. Looking through the pictures of the books the Charcarodons are a lot darker with a tinge of very dark army green, as a result I basecoated my Tyberos with Chardon Granite, dusted with adeptus and highlighted with codex grey. Also I painted any metal buts tinbitz with a mix of tinbitz/dwarf bronze highlight of sorts. This paint scheme stands out quite a bit to the pre-heresy Space Wolves and also, I believe that wolves should have a hint of blue somewhere, pre-heresy or not. Wish I had a camera so I could upload a pic of Tyberos vs my Wolves. I wish Tyberos was a Space Wolves character, giving furious charge to the whole army is W.I.C.K.E.D. Also with the new transfer sheet from SW it should be easy as to make them visibly different. Hoping for something good in IA11 hey! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233595-grey-grey-and-identity-crisis/#findComment-2812357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormshrug Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 I'm just spouting concerns for the future... we've managed for a long time as wolves to have a rather unique armour coloring (despite our pelts, totems, etc). I guess I'm not willing to share. And yes, I'm sure there are armies out there that come close, but they're farther and fewer in between, tending to be a single player's DIY painting preference here and there. These Carcharadons (apparently the new fotm from FW) are the closest I've seen and will likely gather a following due to FW support. Carcharodons, or Space Sharks, aren't exactly new (they've been around since I first encountered the hobby back in the 90s, at least), and they got their FW attention several years ago in IA Ten (Part 2). So I wouldn't exactly expect to see a huge influx of Carcharodons players in the near future, unless they're getting another IA book soon. As to confusion with Space Wolves, well, any two chapters with similar paint schemes might be easy to confuse if both players are being extremely minimalistic in their paint schemes and not incorporating identifying markers. -Stormshrug Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233595-grey-grey-and-identity-crisis/#findComment-2812590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levitas Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Beards. Always look for beards. Space Sharks come in and out of fashion, and have been around for a long time. Its cool to see them on the tables for sure, plus with so many different ways to paint grey we should avoid any grey areas, so to speak. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233595-grey-grey-and-identity-crisis/#findComment-2812867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 The Space Sharks are known for their ferocity and unusual mutations? 21st Founding failed Space Wolves experiment?!?!!? Ah, probobaly not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233595-grey-grey-and-identity-crisis/#findComment-2812871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat33.1 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Carcharodons, or Space Sharks, aren't exactly new (they've been around since I first encountered the hobby back in the 90s, at least), and they got their FW attention several years ago in IA Ten (Part 2). So I wouldn't exactly expect to see a huge influx of Carcharodons players in the near future, unless they're getting another IA book soon. As to confusion with Space Wolves, well, any two chapters with similar paint schemes might be easy to confuse if both players are being extremely minimalistic in their paint schemes and not incorporating identifying markers. -Stormshrug Not sure where you get the idea that Carcharadons were featured in IA10 'years ago' as the Badab Wars Part 2 was only released In January 2011 - have you been lost in the warp? :huh: Now if all the SW players would only get with the program GW have decided 'baby blue' is our colour, so don't go blaming the Carcharadon players for causing confusion if you decide to paint your wolves grey :wallbash: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233595-grey-grey-and-identity-crisis/#findComment-2816852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Our colour has also been described as ash grey which has no blue in it. Also, shouldn't 'space sharks' be more of a sea grey which has a slight green tinge to it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233595-grey-grey-and-identity-crisis/#findComment-2817297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 I don't think you guys have anything to worry about. The Space Sharks arn't a chapter anywhere near as popular as the Big Four or even any of the first Founding Chapters. I can practially guarantee you will have far more Wolf players than Shark players. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233595-grey-grey-and-identity-crisis/#findComment-2817814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormshrug Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Carcharodons, or Space Sharks, aren't exactly new (they've been around since I first encountered the hobby back in the 90s, at least), and they got their FW attention several years ago in IA Ten (Part 2). So I wouldn't exactly expect to see a huge influx of Carcharodons players in the near future, unless they're getting another IA book soon. As to confusion with Space Wolves, well, any two chapters with similar paint schemes might be easy to confuse if both players are being extremely minimalistic in their paint schemes and not incorporating identifying markers. -Stormshrug Not sure where you get the idea that Carcharadons were featured in IA10 'years ago' as the Badab Wars Part 2 was only released In January 2011 - have you been lost in the warp? :P Now if all the SW players would only get with the program GW have decided 'baby blue' is our colour, so don't go blaming the Carcharadon players for causing confusion if you decide to paint your wolves grey ;) Okay, fair, I had binged the IA books recently, so I didn't have a good sense of a timescale of publication. Still, it's hardly recent enough that you should expect a Carcharodons resurgence NOW because of it - there have been actual codices printed since then to take up the limelight. People who are going to FotM to Carcharodons would have done it six months ago. Carcharodons are hardly as flashy or interesting as Grey Knights, given their single IC and fairly bare-bones rules. The FotM train has left the station. -Stormshrug Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233595-grey-grey-and-identity-crisis/#findComment-2818260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martok Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 The Space Sharks are known for their ferocity and unusual mutations? 21st Founding failed Space Wolves experiment?!?!!? Ah, probobaly not. For the record they are supposed to be Raven Guard second founding and related to the rapid Astartes creation Corax dabbled with hence some pretty rampant mutations. - Martok Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233595-grey-grey-and-identity-crisis/#findComment-2818710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 I know I was just saying. Okay, fair, I had binged the IA books recently, so I didn't have a good sense of a timescale of publication. Still, it's hardly recent enough that you should expect a Carcharodons resurgence NOW because of it - there have been actual codices printed since then to take up the limelight. People who are going to FotM to Carcharodons would have done it six months ago. Carcharodons are hardly as flashy or interesting as Grey Knights, given their single IC and fairly bare-bones rules. The FotM train has left the station. -Stormshrug Gasp. Maybe people who play them do it for the cool background and the fact they Carcharodons are probobaly some of the most burtal marines in existence? Or even worse, what if they totally just IGNORE the crummy rules and do it for the modelling opportunities! HOW DARE THEY! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233595-grey-grey-and-identity-crisis/#findComment-2818804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneSniperSG Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 "Carcharadon players"? Is that anything like a remembrancer? For the record they are supposed to be Raven Guard second founding and related to the rapid Astartes creation Corax dabbled with hence some pretty rampant mutations. and the fact they Carcharodons are probobaly some of the most burtal marines in existence? .. Did you forget this is the Space Wolves forum? Our colour has also been described as ash grey which has no blue in it. Yes and there was one time where Space Wolves had purple armor. Today, 70% of players (guesstimating here) including myself go with the sky blue Space Wolves colors. They are the SKY WARRIORS after all, it's not like a sky blue shade is shameful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233595-grey-grey-and-identity-crisis/#findComment-2818829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 "Carcharadon players"? Is that anything like a remembrancer? .. Seriously. No idea what you're talkin about. the old space sharks,revamped :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233595-grey-grey-and-identity-crisis/#findComment-2818832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 You should all be WELL aware by now the Carcharodons and Minotaurs exceed the Space Wolves in brutality by SEVERAL ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE. The Executioners were so nuts in combat the Space Wolves even coined the ironic 'laughing axe-men' name. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233595-grey-grey-and-identity-crisis/#findComment-2818849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat33.1 Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Carcharadons will get some love on the modelling front purely down to FW having just released a Carcharadons decal sheet... Badab War is still in full swing with FW and they are set to run a second campaign weekend at Warhammer World later this year after the success of the recent Badab weekend. Don't worry though as the Wolves will be getting some FW love too in the future as the next IA book - No. 11 is I believe Wolves v Eldar :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233595-grey-grey-and-identity-crisis/#findComment-2819023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat33.1 Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Our colour has also been described as ash grey which has no blue in it. Yes and there was one time where Space Wolves had purple armor. Today, 70% of players (guesstimating here) including myself go with the sky blue Space Wolves colors. They are the SKY WARRIORS after all, it's not like a sky blue shade is shameful. I think there is a picture in one of the old Index Astartes articles of Space Wolves in camo stripe power armour? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233595-grey-grey-and-identity-crisis/#findComment-2819030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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