Chaplain Rourke The Fanged Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 So I want to make DIY and have them be like the space wolves only have them have panther traits instead of wolf with Celtic culture instead of Norse Vikings. I was thinking of having a mutation of the Omophagea that results in the chapter getting the panther traits. I'd have them kill and eat local panther type creature in order to join a scout squad, and as it's tradition the marines kept doing it even though of the mutation. I'd like to know if this idea can work before I spend anytime actually writing this up. Thanx Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233649-is-it-believable/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zynk Kaladin Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 *shrugs* I see no problem with it. Would your chapter ride giant panthers? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233649-is-it-believable/#findComment-2812998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Rourke The Fanged Posted July 7, 2011 Author Share Posted July 7, 2011 I've been lurking around here for awhile and it would seem that riding giant creatures is frowned upon round these parts of the web but the thought had crossed my mind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233649-is-it-believable/#findComment-2813015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebulon Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 My only real point on this idea is that "Panthers" don't fit especially well with a "Celtic" theme... A Griffin/Gryphon might be a more appropriate creature for Celts. Also if you particularly wanted a feline animal, the Lynx is typically Celtic. This link provides some interesting information on Animal symbolism among the Celts: http://www.joellessacredgrove.com/Celtic/animalallies.html Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233649-is-it-believable/#findComment-2813034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Rourke The Fanged Posted July 8, 2011 Author Share Posted July 8, 2011 A chapter with gryphon traits seems interesting. I'm not entirely sure how it would pan out other than growing wings or a beak I'm not sure what eagles traits they would get. However the gryphon and dragon are my favorite Celtic animals. In my mind the Lynx seems kinda weak and not all that frightening. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233649-is-it-believable/#findComment-2813051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesor Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Maybe, compared to a Panther. But if an angry Lynx came at you, you'd run. Besides, these can be space Lynxes. I mean, where do you ever see a car-sized wolf on Earth? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233649-is-it-believable/#findComment-2813083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantonWC Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Back after a long absence. So I want to make DIY and have them be like the space wolves only have them have panther traits instead of wolf with Celtic culture instead of Norse Vikings. I was thinking of having a mutation of the Omophagea that results in the chapter getting the panther traits. I'd have them kill and eat local panther type creature in order to join a scout squad, and as it's tradition the marines kept doing it even though of the mutation. I'd like to know if this idea can work before I spend anytime actually writing this up. Well, we're talking about a universe where space elves are armed with guns that shoot monomolecular ninja stars, versus orcs that wield technology that only works because they think it does, versus planet consuming bugs, versus undead robots, versus... well you get the idea. I think the far more important question is, why do you want to give them panther traits or celtic traits. What is the reasoning? What is at the heart of this Chapter? What is the motivation, the philosophy of the average joe Marine in this Chapter? Why do they get out of bed in the morning, why do they fight for the Emperor? These are far more important questions to answer than just stopping at "Panther Marines" or "Celt Marines." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233649-is-it-believable/#findComment-2813100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Rourke The Fanged Posted July 8, 2011 Author Share Posted July 8, 2011 @Nemesor: well there was this one time..... :ph34r: @CantonWC: ya I know that is all the important stuff I just wanted to make sure I could make not Space Wolf Space Wolves with a malfunctioning Omophagea and eating panther/lynx/gryphon whatever in ritual/tradition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233649-is-it-believable/#findComment-2813134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaren Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 You could... but why? What does your chapter gain from this? Aside from one quirk, what else? The Space Wolves get heightened senses, a feral personality, and a constant struggle to cage the beast within; all of which color the chapter greatly and build on their theme. What would this add to the personality and feel of your chapter? Gimmicks and flukes are meaningless without impact and without real significance. Don't make them Thundercats unless they gain something mental/spiritual/physical from it. Are they more agile, but less strong? Excellent balance/awareness? The Wolves have the heightened senses of... well... a wolf. Do your marines gain feline advantages? Disadvantages? Before asking if it's possible, ask why? Why why why. That is the question. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233649-is-it-believable/#findComment-2813183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pentence Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Take this or leave it i know im not as honored as others here but i figured id pitch an idea or two. Use the grphyon as a base and have a planet that it was found on be their homeworld. They gain cat and eagle traits which results in more agility and greater speed (mentaly and physicaly) but with holowed bones making them a bit less tough but faster. Also heightend sense of 3 dimensional awareness resulting in greater capacity for fighting in flying machines and in space combat. Perhapes their chapter master gains his honor by taming one of the legendary creatures and rides it into battle. Ultimately i can see this resulting in lower toughness,higher initiative and extra close combat atacks maybe better movement speed like they act like jet pack troops or have the hit and run ability along with nightvision. Perhapes their jet pack troops dont use jetpacks but are those who have been gifted true flight with wings. Naturaly their armor prevents them from being able to fly normaly as its too heavy but they can act like jetbikes(the dangerous terrain rule simulating their need to land for a short bit before taking flight again). I hope something here helps point ya in a direction you want to take and good luck with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233649-is-it-believable/#findComment-2813889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Rourke The Fanged Posted July 9, 2011 Author Share Posted July 9, 2011 Thanx for the replies guys, I am gonna get started on an outline and let my ideas be torn to shreds. ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233649-is-it-believable/#findComment-2814267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khine Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 if your still going for the panther/lynx theme, perhaps they have a mutation where their eyes become cat like. Then you could go along the lines of them gaining greater sight at night/in shadows. From there you could add the Celtic theme into the mix, making them as a sort of silent hunter chapter of marines who tend to stalk there pray. Just my two cents :mellow: hope it gives you some ideas. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233649-is-it-believable/#findComment-2814767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Rourke The Fanged Posted July 10, 2011 Author Share Posted July 10, 2011 That is the general plan actually Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233649-is-it-believable/#findComment-2814956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justcar Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 My only real point on this idea is that "Panthers" don't fit especially well with a "Celtic" theme... A Griffin/Gryphon might be a more appropriate creature for Celts. Also if you particularly wanted a feline animal, the Lynx is typically Celtic. This link provides some interesting information on Animal symbolism among the Celts: http://www.joellessacredgrove.com/Celtic/animalallies.html And you could call this mighty chapter: the sons of grifindor! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233649-is-it-believable/#findComment-2815037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Rourke The Fanged Posted July 10, 2011 Author Share Posted July 10, 2011 My only real point on this idea is that "Panthers" don't fit especially well with a "Celtic" theme... A Griffin/Gryphon might be a more appropriate creature for Celts. Also if you particularly wanted a feline animal, the Lynx is typically Celtic. This link provides some interesting information on Animal symbolism among the Celts: http://www.joellessacredgrove.com/Celtic/animalallies.html And you could call this mighty chapter: the sons of grifindor! And Harry Potter could be the Chapter Master! and it's just an entire chapter of wizards.... I mean Librarians. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233649-is-it-believable/#findComment-2815054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Daeger Helsir Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 This looks like it's headed somewhere ugly fast. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233649-is-it-believable/#findComment-2815303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Rourke The Fanged Posted July 11, 2011 Author Share Posted July 11, 2011 haha fear not brother a real chapter is on the horizon not some harry potter crap Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233649-is-it-believable/#findComment-2815772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother natar Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Well, after a long LONG absence from this hallowed site, i randomly looked up your thread, and have to ask some questions, the answers of which might help you: I want to make DIY and have them be like the space wolves only have them have panther traits instead of wolf with Celtic culture instead of Norse Vikings. may i ask why you need both panther and celtic imagery/references? the space wolves have norse and wolfen traits because the wolf was revered by the many norse during the migration period. brezerkers, for instance, famously wore wolf pelts to gain attributes of the beast itself. panthers and celts seem rather different to me, and it might prove difficult to combine the two without making it contrived and anime esque (as in 'Sword of Omens, give me sight... beyond sight'). i personally would consider dropping one of these, or really working hard to combine the two well. I was thinking of having a mutation of the Omophagea that results in the chapter getting the panther traits. Does your Chapter need any mutations at all? Mutations are bad, very VERY bad. they lead to pesky Inquisitors screaming CHAOS! at you, which only makes it more difficult to purge the equally mutated scions of the Dark Gods. Also, if you want to keep your mutation, how will it show? Cat eyes? Black skin? Claws? these would come off rather cheesey, i think. Personally, if you keep the cat idea, i would say the Chapter reveres the beast as the greatest hunter of the forest, and hone their abilities to mimic the creature somewhat. this way, there is no need for any mutation, which would turn some Inquisitorial heads, no doubt. I've been lurking around here for awhile and it would seem that riding giant creatures is frowned upon round these parts of the web but the thought had crossed my mind. Riding about on creatures is frowned upon for a reason: it is impractical. a Land Speeder is rather flimsey when faced with a lascannon, but it is fast and doesnt get scared. if i fired a weapon at a panther, no matter how big and powerful it is, it would leg it. and if i hit it it would be ineffective, whereas hitting a tank doesnt necessarily kill the tank. other than cheesiness what would riding a panther add? now, just a random thought. i know you are working on the fluff now but i thought i would just throw this thought in: panthers (black jaguars and black leopards) are solitary, secretive creatures. if you are desperate to keep the panther reference, are you going to make them stealthy, after the silent kill and all that? if so, which geneseed will you use? raven guard springs to mind, but if you want celtic imagery and references, then perhaps you want to ge something more like white scars, who are all hit and run (which i am lead to believe is the celtic way - though i know little about celtic history and mythology). i hope this helps, and i will keep an eye out on this stuff with an interest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233649-is-it-believable/#findComment-2816590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Rourke The Fanged Posted July 12, 2011 Author Share Posted July 12, 2011 Well there is a mythical panther like creature that is supposed to haunt the land. I have not settled on the panther though, I am thinking of making some sort of space lynx or something like that. The Celt tribes were known for infighting and would often sneak into another tribe and raid them in the middle of the night. So I was gonna have them be stealthy night fighters. I Love the Space Wolves but since only the sons of Fenris can handle the Canis Helix I can't make a successor for them. I thought this would be the best way to have my own "Space Wolf" chapter without throwing out the fluff. The giant creatures thing I'm going to do. I thought it would be cool if they fought with giant whatevers but its just "shiny toys" and doesn't bring anything to the table. Since like half of the loyalist gene-seed already has some sort of "mutation" in one way or another and the gene-seed is only becoming more degraded over time leading to more and more "mutations" I do not see how this would be a bad idea. Yes it will cause reactions from certain Imperial organizations but with all the different sects that are in the Imperium you are certain to butt heads with someone. The Ad-Mech would study the gene-seed and declare it a degradation flaw and not the touch of Chaos. They would be declared loyal to the Emperor and the Imperium and the Inquisition would not destroy them. While there would be plenty in the Imperium that would be cautious and keep an eye on the chapter for signs of Chaos they would be just as much a part of the Imperium as any other chapter with gene-seed flaws. How this helps to clear up my thinking and the direction in which I hope to take this chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233649-is-it-believable/#findComment-2816700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother natar Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 I Love the Space Wolves but since only the sons of Fenris can handle the Canis Helix I can't make a successor for them Please don't make this Chapter a mere Space Wolf proxy. Make it different... totally different. What bit i know about Celtic mythology and history is genuinely interesting, and if you make this Chapter Wolves with different colours it will be somewhat disapointing for me the thrid party observer and also for you. You could make a really flavourful, interesting Chapter here, don't take the easy way out. And on the point of mutations, what i meant was if an Inquisitor was faced with a black skinned/furry giant with claws, fangs and feline eyes, he would scream loudly and try to kill it. If i remember correctly the Space Wolves have to keep the Wolfen hidden for much the same reason. What i was trying to say is there isn't necessarily any need for the mutation you are planning. Of course, you can use it, for it is your work, after all... just be careful to explain it well so as not to make it sound too cliche and cheesey. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233649-is-it-believable/#findComment-2816734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilbo7788 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 The mutation can be interesting without being showy. For example they could have enhanced eyes enabling them to perceive a wider ligth spectrum. Their eyes might be normal during the day and slightly luminescent at night. They would be forced to keep their helmets when they fight the night with allied forces, especially the Inquisition... It's a detail, but it may suffice to give a lot of character to your chapter. Do you have a color scheme for your chapter ? Celtic ? They could be the Green Panthers (I know, it's not brilliant but it's better than Pink Panthers...). If you accept other cat species, you could try the Nigth Jaguars. I rather like cougars (they are also known as mountain lions and panthers...). By choosing a felid you can get a chapter of the same species as Space Wolves (wild, proud, powerful...) but with a very different character. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233649-is-it-believable/#findComment-2816773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 I've been lurking around here for awhile and it would seem that riding giant creatures is frowned upon round these parts of the web but the thought had crossed my mind. Riding about on creatures is frowned upon for a reason: it is impractical. a Land Speeder is rather flimsey when faced with a lascannon, but it is fast and doesnt get scared. if i fired a weapon at a panther, no matter how big and powerful it is, it would leg it. and if i hit it it would be ineffective, whereas hitting a tank doesnt necessarily kill the tank. other than cheesiness what would riding a panther add? now, just a random thought. i know you are working on the fluff now but i thought i would just throw this thought in: panthers (black jaguars and black leopards) are solitary, secretive creatures. if you are desperate to keep the panther reference, are you going to make them stealthy, after the silent kill and all that? if so, which geneseed will you use? raven guard springs to mind, but if you want celtic imagery and references, then perhaps you want to ge something more like white scars, who are all hit and run (which i am lead to believe is the celtic way - though i know little about celtic history and mythology). Just got to say that you could use that reasoning about the Thunderwolves, but the sons of Fenris still use them! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233649-is-it-believable/#findComment-2816788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 I've been lurking around here for awhile and it would seem that riding giant creatures is frowned upon round these parts of the web but the thought had crossed my mind. Riding about on creatures is frowned upon for a reason: it is impractical. a Land Speeder is rather flimsey when faced with a lascannon, but it is fast and doesnt get scared. if i fired a weapon at a panther, no matter how big and powerful it is, it would leg it. and if i hit it it would be ineffective, whereas hitting a tank doesnt necessarily kill the tank. other than cheesiness what would riding a panther add? now, just a random thought. i know you are working on the fluff now but i thought i would just throw this thought in: panthers (black jaguars and black leopards) are solitary, secretive creatures. if you are desperate to keep the panther reference, are you going to make them stealthy, after the silent kill and all that? if so, which geneseed will you use? raven guard springs to mind, but if you want celtic imagery and references, then perhaps you want to ge something more like white scars, who are all hit and run (which i am lead to believe is the celtic way - though i know little about celtic history and mythology). Just got to say that you could use that reasoning about the Thunderwolves, but the sons of Fenris still use them! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233649-is-it-believable/#findComment-2816789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 I've been lurking around here for awhile and it would seem that riding giant creatures is frowned upon round these parts of the web but the thought had crossed my mind. Riding about on creatures is frowned upon for a reason: it is impractical. a Land Speeder is rather flimsey when faced with a lascannon, but it is fast and doesnt get scared. if i fired a weapon at a panther, no matter how big and powerful it is, it would leg it. and if i hit it it would be ineffective, whereas hitting a tank doesnt necessarily kill the tank. other than cheesiness what would riding a panther add? now, just a random thought. i know you are working on the fluff now but i thought i would just throw this thought in: panthers (black jaguars and black leopards) are solitary, secretive creatures. if you are desperate to keep the panther reference, are you going to make them stealthy, after the silent kill and all that? if so, which geneseed will you use? raven guard springs to mind, but if you want celtic imagery and references, then perhaps you want to ge something more like white scars, who are all hit and run (which i am lead to believe is the celtic way - though i know little about celtic history and mythology). Just got to say that you could use that reasoning about the Thunderwolves, but the sons of Fenris still use them! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233649-is-it-believable/#findComment-2816790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 sorry about the multiple posts, my computer seems to be on the blink! :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233649-is-it-believable/#findComment-2816796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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