Taxman Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Well, I'm done with law school so it is time to get back into 40k. I have always played xenos in the past so I am very excited to start my first marine army. Even more excited that its space wolves. Anyway, I was about to assemble my first set of Grey Hunters when I came upon a problem. In the Grey Hunter entry in the dex, it says they have both a Bolter and a Bolt Pistol and CCW. So, does this mean I have to choose one or the other? Or does this mean they can shoot with the Bolter in the shooting phase and then fight with the Bolt Pistol and CCW in the assault phase (meaning I get the plus one attack for extra CCW)? Also, depending on the answer, do people generally model their Grey Hunters with Bolters or Bolt Pistol and CCW? Thanks for taking the time to answer a lame question. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233778-newb-question-about-grey-hunter-equipment/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
muadib02 Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 They have both. They may use both (well only 1 shooting attack but you get the point) May shoot bolters one turn, and fire bolt pistols the next turn and then charge with +1 atk. I generally model mine with a boltgun and ccw because it looks ridiculous. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233778-newb-question-about-grey-hunter-equipment/#findComment-2814600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Well, I'm done with law school so it is time to get back into 40k. I have always played xenos in the past so I am very excited to start my first marine army. Even more excited that its space wolves. Anyway, I was about to assemble my first set of Grey Hunters when I came upon a problem. In the Grey Hunter entry in the dex, it says they have both a Bolter and a Bolt Pistol and CCW. So, does this mean I have to choose one or the other? Or does this mean they can shoot with the Bolter in the shooting phase and then fight with the Bolt Pistol and CCW in the assault phase (meaning I get the plus one attack for extra CCW)? Also, depending on the answer, do people generally model their Grey Hunters with Bolters or Bolt Pistol and CCW? Thanks for taking the time to answer a lame question. A Grey has all three of those weapons, and switches seamlessly between them. They cannot shoot with the bolter and then assault. The Rapid Fire rule prevents units from launching an assault. But you can fire the bolt pistol instead and then assault. Basically a Grey is as shooty as a Tactical Marine, and then as choppy as an Assault Marine :P This makes them the most flexible of all the Astartes, barring the GK. You can: • shoot once at 24" - with the Bolter • shoot twice at 12" - with the Bolter • shoot once at 12" - with the Bolt pistol, and then Assault Assaulting can get your unit closer to an enemy Objective Assaulting can get the enemies unit off an Objective even if you don't kill his unit, due to consolidation Assaulting can take your unit off your Objective Sometimes it is best to just shoot, and other times it is best to assault to stop your unit from being shot and/or charged, even if you could do as much damage with just guns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233778-newb-question-about-grey-hunter-equipment/#findComment-2814601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander alexander Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 You cannot fire bolters before assaulting unless you are relentless, just like heavy weapons, but you can move and shoot with them. You can shoot and assault with the pistols though. ...And everything else Wilhelm said. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233778-newb-question-about-grey-hunter-equipment/#findComment-2814615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Since the rules portion has already been explained... numerously, I'll toss in my modelling opinion. I usually mix it up with some w/ bolter, some w/ pistol/ccw. So long as my shoulderpads scream Grey Hunter pack, the armaments don't matter much (imo). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233778-newb-question-about-grey-hunter-equipment/#findComment-2814619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 I have to agree with everyone here. But as far as modeling mine I try to make my units match so I can tell at a glance what I have on the table. As far as what extra kit to give them base it off of your local meta Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233778-newb-question-about-grey-hunter-equipment/#findComment-2814647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander alexander Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Not having a readily available way to represent mark of the wulfen, I use bolt pistol and chainswords to represent it. So the others always have either a special weapon or bolter on them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233778-newb-question-about-grey-hunter-equipment/#findComment-2814648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 I place a grenade arm from the tac squad in one hand of mine to remove the gun so I know that it is motw Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233778-newb-question-about-grey-hunter-equipment/#findComment-2814650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Also, see Brother Ramses' thread about what to buy, since you are just starting your Space Wolves army. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233778-newb-question-about-grey-hunter-equipment/#findComment-2814652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simo429 Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 I mix it up with modelling, I did read about a tournament the other week down south who does knock off points if you don't both modelled which is ridiculous. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233778-newb-question-about-grey-hunter-equipment/#findComment-2814726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 I mix it up with modelling, I did read about a tournament the other week down south who does knock off points if you don't both modelled which is ridiculous. I model my Mark of the Wulfen models with the shoulder pads that have the fur draped over them. I have also modeled them with dual ccw, one of them with the big two-handed axe from the power armor sprue. On the topic, I have mixed my GH packs with a mix of ccw/bolt pistol, ccw/bolter, and bolter. My dual plasma gun pack is modeled with all bolters, no ccw except the power weapon model. They are either always an objective sitting squad or a fire support squad to my dual melta gun squads. I think of them standing the line delivering bolter fire into an enemy unit to soften them up for an assault or entrenched on an objective delivering long range fire to an approaching unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233778-newb-question-about-grey-hunter-equipment/#findComment-2814732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Well, I'm done with law school so it is time to get back into 40k. I have always played xenos in the past so I am very excited to start my first marine army. Even more excited that its space wolves. Anyway, I was about to assemble my first set of Grey Hunters when I came upon a problem. In the Grey Hunter entry in the dex, it says they have both a Bolter and a Bolt Pistol and CCW. So, does this mean I have to choose one or the other? Or does this mean they can shoot with the Bolter in the shooting phase and then fight with the Bolt Pistol and CCW in the assault phase (meaning I get the plus one attack for extra CCW)? Also, depending on the answer, do people generally model their Grey Hunters with Bolters or Bolt Pistol and CCW? Thanks for taking the time to answer a lame question. It's not a lame question :D We all have little things that need clarifying every now and then, doesn't make you any less in your brother's eyes ^_^ I've modelled many with Bolter and Chainsword, Bolter, Bolter and Bolt Pistol and Bolt Pistol and Chainsword. Best thing about our kit, there are REAL one handed Bolters :mellow: And yes, in game terms, they get both :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233778-newb-question-about-grey-hunter-equipment/#findComment-2814775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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