thade Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 So here's the scenario: two dreads and my Vanguard charge a unit of Ork Boyz. Vanguard has Furious Charge and they go first; my opponent pulls models out of base contact with my Dreads so they can't swing (or so he claims). I swear that somewhere it says "models engaged at the start of the phase may still swing even" but it's not in the FAQ and I was unable to find it in the BRB. Possibly I am mistaken? I'm sure this came up before (more than once) here, but search fu has failed me. So, can the Dreads swing? Or no? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233872-models-engaged-at-start-of-assault-phase-can-still-hit/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 BRB, page 35, "Who can fight?", the last two paragraphs. All engaged models can fight and make attacks that turn. Which models are considered engaged is determined at the beginning of the combat, and does not change when during this turn's combat models are removed as casualties. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233872-models-engaged-at-start-of-assault-phase-can-still-hit/#findComment-2815591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted July 11, 2011 Author Share Posted July 11, 2011 THERE it is. Thanks, Legatus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233872-models-engaged-at-start-of-assault-phase-can-still-hit/#findComment-2815593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 THERE it is. Thanks, Legatus. Note that this was different in 4th Edition, where you could break Engagement by removing the right models. This was fixed with 5th Edition, but some folks still miss big changes like this, three years into the new edition. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233872-models-engaged-at-start-of-assault-phase-can-still-hit/#findComment-2818144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share Posted July 14, 2011 THERE it is. Thanks, Legatus. Note that this was different in 4th Edition, where you could break Engagement by removing the right models. This was fixed with 5th Edition, but some folks still miss big changes like this, three years into the new edition. Valerian Yep, it did in fact turn out to be a 4th Ed. throwback he was thinking of. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233872-models-engaged-at-start-of-assault-phase-can-still-hit/#findComment-2818263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGuard Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 This was something I was playing incorrectly with my Honour Guard. And playing it incorrectly hurt me, as I was losing a bucket load of attacks. In the end, it's a fairer system which prevents exploitation of the combat system and leads to better combats. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233872-models-engaged-at-start-of-assault-phase-can-still-hit/#findComment-2818431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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