bilbo7788 Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 I created the Flame Lions after painting marines for TT (I had a good scheme, but no name...) I searched to know if their name is already in use, but I found nothing. Did someone already use it ? A few details about my chapter: -Colours: their scheme is quartered, dwarf bronze for upper right and lower left, chainmail for upper left and lower right. The left shoulder is black with a golden rim. The chapter's symbol is a red lambda. -Founding: 21st. One of the cursed chapters. They claim their gene seed comes from the Ultramarines and the Dark Angels, but their is no evidence. It is said their gene seed contains defects altering temper of all marines. Extremly fractious, the chapter seems to find any excuse to unleash his fury. -Homeworld: fleet-based after destroying their own homeworld Laconia only 300 years after their founding (it explains their black left shoulder). Their system was invaded by a waaagh ork, triggering the anger of the chapter master. They annihilated the orks, but butchered their own world in the same sweep. In 41M, their fleet comprises their modified Ramilies star fortress called Hegemon, 3 Battle Barges (one is a prize taken taken after their war against the renegade chapter of the Soul Eaters), 6 strike cruisers(one is a prize taken taken after their war against the renegade chapter of the Blood Butchers), an unknown number of escorts and various support ships (a forge ship...). -Belief: they revere the Emperor as the father of all space marines (but not as a god). Not knowing who is their primarch, they have no special bond with ohter chapters. They see themselves as bringers of imperial justice. They are specialists of wars against "renegade" chapters. Without this speciality, they would be under permanent Inquisition investigation for their brutality. -Organization and combat doctrine: they follow the codex astartes organization, but they are always fighting in chapter-strength, without regard to the strength of their target. This custom and their constant anger explain why they have a reputation for extreme brutality and are recognized as expert of shock assault tactics. They use as much as possible flamers and melta-weapons, especially against renegade guards and civilians. -Battlecry: at the beginning of a figth, they cry "For the Emperor's wrath" or "In fire and death". Quickly, they are just roaring their fury while killing their victims. Thanks for your attention, I await your opinion and hope you will help me to extend their background. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233890-flame-lions/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Rourke The Fanged Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 They see themselves as bringers of imperial justice. They are specialists of wars against "renegade" chapters. Without this speciality, they would be under permanent Inquisition investigation for their brutality. If the Inquisition suspects that the chapter might have some connection to chaos they will investigate. It does not matter how many rebels or renegades your chapter destroys for the forces of chaos are constantly battling each other. Just because you kill renegades does make you pure and loyal. If they feel there is cause for concern there will be an investigation and if they find anything they will not hesitate to destroy your chapter and wait for the High Lords to order a replacement. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233890-flame-lions/#findComment-2815960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilbo7788 Posted July 12, 2011 Author Share Posted July 12, 2011 My idea was to have a chapter which should have been destroyed because of their brutality, but saved by Inquisition because they are extremely useful: true to the Emperor, they strike their designed target without question. If something goes wrong, they are expendable.. In my opinion, Imperium is a brutal dictatorship in which humans are an expendable stuff. The Flame Lions are a cog of this bloody machine. Like a lion trapped in a cage, they are furious but can't escape the Inquisition's orders without being destroyed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233890-flame-lions/#findComment-2816265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Rourke The Fanged Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 I don't think that brutality alone would be reason enough for the Inquisition to think about destroying a Space Marine chapter. Space Marines are only unleashed onto the toughest of foes where people don't tend to care if every single one of them is destroyed. I think that if they did anything they might send them on a penitence crusade into alien territory or something like that. But that is just my take on it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233890-flame-lions/#findComment-2816269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Sergeant Bohemond Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 depends on the brutality, really. If you are brutal to the enemies than by all means, the Imperium will be happy. If you are brutal towards civilians who are innocent, then, well, thats another matter, as our esteemed friends the Night Lords found out. Read some of the guides in the Librariam on the Inquisition and the guide at the top of this forum on how to create a DIY chapter. It talks about all the common pitfalls and is very handy when creating a Chapter. Also, the Octaguide is useful as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233890-flame-lions/#findComment-2816275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Rourke The Fanged Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Also how set are you on the name Flame Lions. Personally I think that something along the lines of Inferno Lions or Burning Lions or Lions of Hellfire ect might have a better ring to it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233890-flame-lions/#findComment-2816283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Actually, I liked the name Flame Lions. It's straightforward, sure, but a lot of the best names are. I'd drop the idea they think they're from multiple gene-lines, and only pick one. It'd be rather amusing to pick the Dark Angels - if they're not going after the Fallen and whatnot, then the DA and their successor Chapters would know the Flame Lions aren't Jonson's sons, but not be able to tell them how they know. :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233890-flame-lions/#findComment-2816327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilbo7788 Posted July 12, 2011 Author Share Posted July 12, 2011 @Ace Debonair: I love your idea. Forget Ultramarines, Flame Lions will claim improperly a DA ascendance. I just like the name Flame Lions... "inferno" speaks of renegade, "Lions of ..." is in my opinion overelaborate. "Burning Lions" ? Well, I'm french and we have an expression: "sévèrement burné"... It's not poetic ! Imperium is a brutal society. For me, killing a few thousand people is not brutal it's just collateral damage. No, "brutal" should be the unsanctioned destruction of a rebel world just to scare a solar system. "Brutal" should be the methodical destruction of all infrastructures and PDF of a world because the governor refused to supply the chapter... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233890-flame-lions/#findComment-2816389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 :D As Daeothar (creator of the Fiery Lions Chapter) could tell you, having a name that sounds awfully close to 'Burning Loins' is asking for trouble... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233890-flame-lions/#findComment-2816402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 :lol: As Daeothar (creator of the Fiery Lions Chapter) could tell you, having a name that sounds awfully close to 'Burning Loins' is asking for trouble... I'm sure that everybody here in the Liber is too mature to make those sort of comments, though. ;) Right, guys? ^_^ .....Guys? :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233890-flame-lions/#findComment-2816568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Rourke The Fanged Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 haha I did not even notice that until you brought it up. When I hear Flame Lions I go OK so they are Lions that are flaming. Then I think of this.... http://egamer.co.za/2010/09/an-obsession-w...g-the-industry/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233890-flame-lions/#findComment-2816591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilbo7788 Posted July 12, 2011 Author Share Posted July 12, 2011 Yes, maybe it's not the easiest name for a chapter... but the joke is really fun ! Burning Lions will an easy name for a renegade chapter of Slaanesh. I had difficulties to understand how you went from "Lions" and "flaming" to "gay space marines"... flamboyant has the same meaning in french. I did not know "flaming" can have a second meaning ! Finally, "inferno" is less risky. "War Lions" was a simple and safely name, but it's just too classic. I will have to assume the name of "Flame Lions"... the good news is that no one will want to appropriate this name ! :sweat: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233890-flame-lions/#findComment-2816616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyronusSouria Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Why doesn't someone make a Chapter called the Loin Burners? An entire chapter renowned for using flame weapons to burn the loins of their foes. They could even have a successor called The Castrators. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233890-flame-lions/#findComment-2816782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khine Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 how about the Magma Lions, Pyre Lions, Wild Lions, Furious Lions, Blazing Lions, The Lion's pride (DA reference), Caliban Lions for names? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233890-flame-lions/#findComment-2817245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilbo7788 Posted July 13, 2011 Author Share Posted July 13, 2011 Here is the update of my color scheme (colors closer to real colors and I added the badge) And a photo of the real color scheme I think I will keep the name Flame Lions. I would like to enhance their background, but there is a lot of pitfalls. I tried to find original ideas, but my chapter always ends up looking like an existing canon chapter... I want a balance between brutality and loyalty without causing a condemnation by Inquisition. My marines are not heroes. They are closer to butchers considering renegade planets as opportunities to rampage and loot all the resources available. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233890-flame-lions/#findComment-2818034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 I would like to enhance their background, but there is a lot of pitfalls. I tried to find original ideas, but my chapter always ends up looking like an existing canon chapter... The same can be said of many chapters - plenty of folks compared my Stonebound to the Space Wolves, for instance. Excuse the horribly shameless plug, it's just the first example that came to mind. :D There's nothing wrong with being similar to an existing Chapter, is my point. So long as you're not exactly the same as that Chapter, that's fine. :D Nice colour scheme by the way. Very cool. :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233890-flame-lions/#findComment-2818839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilbo7788 Posted July 17, 2011 Author Share Posted July 17, 2011 Here is my second draft. I hope I managed to take into account all your comments. And no, I will not change their name ... Created during the 21st foundation, the chapter was assigned 57 years after his birth to the world of Laconia IV, a small system in the north west of Maelstrom. 121 years after the installation chapter in the Ramilies Fortress Hegemon orbiting Laconia IV, the Waaagh of Lord Gnobla Grobourin invaded the system. Engaging all forces, the Flame Lions managed to exterminate the green waves after 10 years of bitter fighting. After the war, the chapter did not have more than half of its initial strength. When the three planets of the system went into rebellion following the victory over the orcs, it seemed the chapter was cursed. It soon became clear that the whole system was corrupt and had sold his soul to Chaos. The first challenge of the chapter was to purge its own staff. After what turned quickly to be a massacre, there remained only3 00 initiates. All scouts, 40 full traitor space marines and the majority of serfs were executed. The fighting cost the chapter 30 marines. Before making his last breath, the last traitor revealed a fleet of Word Bearers was expected shortly. Understrength, with only his fleet intact, the Flame Lions were still faced with a rebellion. A disaster never coming alone, the archivists of the chapter detected in the warp the arrival of a large fleet of Chaos that could only be the Word Bearers. With no hope of victory, the Chapter master Leonidas took the most extreme decision: the planets of the system were all subject to the Exterminatus and the fleet of the chapter with the fortress Hegemon retreated to the nearest imperial system through the warp. When transferring into the empyrean, the Flame Lions were subjected to a storm and had to leave the warp in disaster. This new catastrophe cost a battle barge, a strike cruisers and several frigates. In his misfortune, the chapter was still favored by the Emperor, the Flame Lions found in real space the Elephantus, a legendary mass conveyor vessel lost by the Mechanicum on the eve of Horus Heresy. The mastodon, although merged with Explorator Inventor Mundi, was in relatively good condition. Its Warp drive was destroyed. Its conventional engines and life support system were grilled but the immense cargo, sufficient to supply several expeditionary fleet of the Great Crusade was intact. The supply fleet had 10,000 years ago suffered a huge warp storm which they were the only survivors. Outgoing warp in emergency, the two vessels had collided, but had avoided becoming a new space hulk. Having located through the Astronomican, the chapter sent a delegation to the nearest Forgeworld to report their discovery. The chapter began to mount guard over the wreckage during salvage operations in exchange for supplies. In recognition, the Adeptus Mechanicus allowed them to keep the Astartes equipment contained in the cargo holds of the Elephantus (300 mkIII armors, 50 Terminator armors, Dreadnoughts, many vehicles and weaponry associated). At this priceless treasure, the Adeptus Mechanicus added a forgeship, carried out the necessary repairs on the vessels of the fleet of the Flame Lions and profoundly changed the Hegemon into a powerful mobile fortress worthy of a chapter on crusade. During salvage operations, the chapter patiently rebuilt its workforce. 1 / 6 of the fleet was dispersed to conduct recruitment operations in the systems area. Half of the fleet formed a task force organized around one of the two remaining battle barges to carry out limited operations against the enemies of the Imperium. These fights were mainly intended to harden the new recruited brothers in battle. The rest of the fleet stood guard to the Hegemon. 500 years after its near destruction, the Flame Lions were again a chapter at full-strength. The salvage operations of the Adeptus Mechanicus completed, the chapter began a crusade against the enemies of the Imperium. The Flame Lions quickly became specialists of punishment and extermination operations against rebel systems and space marines chapters declared renegade. Still operating in full-strength, the brutal methods of the chapter allowed the Flame Lions to quickly establish themselves as a reference in the areas of ferocity and concentration of power. Always in search of supremacy, the Flame Lions exploited the operations against the renegade forces to gradually increase their power. As one of the few chapters to always respond enthusiastically to requests for extermination uttered by the Inquisition, the Flames Lions have so far avoided without too much problem investigations on their ferocity. -Founding: 21st. One of the cursed chapters. They claim their gene seed comes from the the Dark Angels, but there is no evidence and the Dark Angels refute any association with the Flame Lions. It is said their gene seed contains defects altering temper of all marines. Extremly fractious, the chapter seems to find any excuse to unleash his ferocity. -Homeworld: fleet-based after the dark events related to the destruction of their homeworld. In 41M, their fleet comprises their modified Ramilies star fortress called Hegemon, 3 Battle Barges (one is a prize taken after their war against the renegade chapter of the Soul Eaters), 6 strike cruisers (one is a prize taken after their war against the renegade chapter of the Blood Butchers), an unknown number of escorts and various support ships (a forge ship...). -Belief: they revere the Emperor as the father of all space marines (but not as a god). Not knowing who is their primarch, they have no special bond with ohter chapters. They claim kinship with Dark Angels in order to remove suspicion, but they do not believe it … They see themselves as bringers of imperial justice because it’s a good solution to get supplies, wargear and vessels without incurring the wrath of the Inquisition or the Adeptus Terra. -Organization and combat doctrine: they seem to follow the spirit of the Codex Astartes organization, but the size of their fleet involves a large amount of specialized marines deployed on their vessels. The true number of space marines approach 1200. They have one Veteran company, 5 battle companies and 4 reserve companies. Scouts are incorporated in the reserve companies. They are always fighting in chapter-strength, without regard to the strength of their target. This custom and their constant anger explain why they have a reputation for extreme brutality. They are recognized as expert of shock assault tactics because they always seek to hit the weakness of their enemy. They use as much as possible flamers and melta-weapons, especially against renegade guards and civilians. -Battlecry: at the beginning of a figth, they cry "In fire and death". Quickly, they are just roaring their fury while killing their victims. Thanks for your comments and criticism. With time, I hope to make progress... :) EDIT: I changed a few words which where misused (english is not my birth language) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/233890-flame-lions/#findComment-2821548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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