Forgebreaker

[Iron Father Ferrum]

I know there's a lot of confusion about this particular thunder hammer given the fact that its name was used for the weapon given to Perturabo by Horus as well as that forged by Fulgrim and gifted to Ferrus. So what exactly happened to it? I checked the Lex, and it said that Fulgrim gave it to Horus after he killed Ferrus at the Drop Site, that Horus then gave it to Perturabo (simply sliding that bit of fluff on the timeline), and that an Iron Hand recovered it from the Iron Warriors sometime later on.

 

Its this last part that I've never heard of. Anybody know anything about if this chain of events is correct, and, in particular, where that last bit came from?

[Master Of Malfeasance X]

Is it not entirely possible, in a galaxy of badass names, that two people, completely independent of each other's presence came up with the same name for similar weapons?

[Ju'kosian]

Maybe Horus gave it to Perturabo after the Istvaan incident as a gift to show his gratitude or something ?

[Iron Father Ferrum]

Yeah, I figured the much out, dude. My question is: where exactly is the Forgebreaker now? Does Perturabo the Daemon Prince still have it? Does some random Warsmith have it? Have the Iron Hands recovered it somehow, somewhere?

[DarkSavage]

From what I remember reading and what was written in Fulgrim, Forgebreaker was given to Ferrus by Fulgrim as a gift just as Fireblade was given to Fulgrim by Ferrus. Both were smiths and were showing off their skills. Here's what the Lexicanum says:

 

Forgebreaker was a legendary hammer forged by Fulgrim, Primarch of the Emperor's Children in a contest of smithing skill with his brother, Ferrus Manus of the Iron Hands. In the end, when Fulgrim and Manus had finished their respective weapons, neither could agree on which was the best with the Phoenix claiming that Ferrus' Fireblade was the best and the Gorgon claiming that Fulgrim's Forgebreaker was in fact the greatest. In the end, they each gifted their weapon to each other with Fulgrim receiving Fireblade and Ferrus receiving Forgebreaker; The start of a bond of brotherhood closer than any other two primarchs that lasted until the outbreak of the Horus Heresy.

 

When the Heresy began, Fulgrim was sent by Horus to use his renowned oratory skills to sway his brother to their cause. However, Ferrus remained loyal to the Emperor and denounced Fulgrim and Horus as traitors. The two brothers duelled and Fireblade was broken by Ferrus and Fulgrim stole Forgebreaker and with it, rendered his brother unconscious. The two primarchs would later meet again on Istvaan V where they duelled again for the last time with Ferrus wielding the reforged Fireblade and Fulgrim wielding Forgebreaker. In the end, Fulgrim was disarmed and in his panic drew the daemonic Blade of Laeran, which provides him with the strength to strike Ferrus down. Fulgrim was hesitant to land the killing blow, until the Daemon within the blade twisted his mind into finishing the duel. Ferrus was beheaded and Fulgrim was fully possessed by the daemon within the Blade of Laeran.

 

The Fulgrim-Daemon later presented Horus with the head of Ferrus Manus and Forgebreaker as a sign of his loyalty. The hammer was then given to Perturabo of the Iron Warriors by Horus before the assault on Terra as a gift and the signing of a pact between the two.

 

It is thought that the weapon, possessed at some point by four different Primarchs, was in the hands of Perturabo until it was taken from him, during an assault on a world around the Eye of Terror, by the Morlock captain of the Avernii Clan, thus returning one of the most prized artifacts of the Horus Heresy back to the Iron Hands chapter.[Needs Citation]

 

So there's my two cents on the matter :P

[Iron Father Ferrum]

Now, I'm not trying to be an ass. But seriously. Go back and read my first post and tell me if any of that is likely to be new information to me.

[Bewlay]

The Avernii Clan, never heard of it but it doesn't sound very Iron Hand-ish to me ;)

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

The Avernii Clan, never heard of it but it doesn't sound very Iron Hand-ish to me :P

 

Context: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averni

 

WLK

[DarkSavage]

Now, I'm not trying to be an ass. But seriously. Go back and read my first post and tell me if any of that is likely to be new information to me.

 

I think I see where your confusion is, helps if I read your entire question in the first place.

 

As far as where the information came from on how the hammer got back into the hands of the Iron Hands, (pun not intended). My guess would be the guys over at GW and Black Library, where someone probably lost a bet and the agrement was to narriate that the hammer was returned. Does anybody know for sure?

[eyescrossed]

Well it doesn't state the source and I have never heard of anything like that, so I'm calling fan fluff. Lexicanum is hardly a reliable source.

[Iron Father Ferrum]

Well it doesn't state the source and I have never heard of anything like that, so I'm calling fan fluff. Lexicanum is hardly a reliable source.

 

 

Good call.

[MagicMan]

The Avernii Clan, never heard of it but it doesn't sound very Iron Hand-ish to me :o

 

 

 

The Avernii were Gauls, Vercingetorix who almost had the better of Julius Caesar was from their tribe.

[Sgt.Sangha]

i remember reading somewhere a long time ago that forgebreaker was giving to the Iron Warriors primarch by Horus and that this was used to turn him. Dont remember the source, but I thought I would put it out there anyways incase anyone else has run across that in the past. Maybe it was retconned out.

[Lord_Caerolion]

Forgebreaker was given to Perturabo by Horus to seal their alliance. That part is still in the background. Whether it helped turn him to Chaos is unknown, but he was already rogue by the time Ferrus lost Forgebreaker.

[Reyner]

Yeah Horus giving Perturabo the hammer is in the Iron Warriors Index Astartes I think, it was believed the hammer helped to corrupt Perturabo.