skamp Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Since it has to do with chapter creation I was wondering does a successor chapter have to be proud of its father chapter? If not does anyone know of any examples? Thank you any help is appretiated...... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234043-chapter-resentment/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric the Silvercoat Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Since it has to do with chapter creation I was wondering does a successor chapter have to be proud of its father chapter? If not does anyone know of any examples? Thank you any help is appretiated...... I believe the Lamentars (spelling?) don't like the Blood Angels. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234043-chapter-resentment/#findComment-2817739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skamp Posted July 13, 2011 Author Share Posted July 13, 2011 that would explain the lame yellow marines not helping in baal.......and hmmm its good to know this Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234043-chapter-resentment/#findComment-2817769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trel Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 I don't know about direct resentment, but I've read that the Iron Hands' direct successors maintain little-to-no contact with their parent chapter. Â But no, there's nothing to suggest that a successor has any obligation towards their parent chapter any more than a parent chapter has toward a successor. Â The causes could be economic, i.e. when the chapter was created, the parent chapter did not help them out with equipment and war materiel. Â The causes could be cultural, i.e. the successors have adopted some hallmarks of the primitive culture that inhabits their home planet and getting a rebuke from the parent chapter for it. Â Alternately, the causes could simply be circumstantial, i.e. in a given operation, the parent chapter assigned the successors the role of bait or diversion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234043-chapter-resentment/#findComment-2817943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 I think Trel has answered that pretty well. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234043-chapter-resentment/#findComment-2817968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 that would explain the lame yellow marines not helping in baal.......and hmmm its good to know this  Or atually - it might be something to do with them being on a penitent rusade on the other side of the galaxy and having just run smack bang into a Tyranid hive Fleet. Maybe they simply cant make it back, or havent made it back yet (but are on the way) or some inquisitor is witholding the call for aid from them for his own ends. As far as i can recall , there is no suggestion of ill-feeling between the two chapters, but some players have interpreted the fact that the Lamenters havent made it back to Baal yet, as an indication that they dont want to come back/dont like the BA's, etc... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234043-chapter-resentment/#findComment-2818016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilbo7788 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Ultramarines and Mortifactors are a good example: they have the same gene seed but cultural differences and distance generated a feeling between indifference and contempt in the defense of Tarsis Ultra... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234043-chapter-resentment/#findComment-2818040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Rourke The Fanged Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Hasn't all contact with the Lamenters been lost since they ran into that hive fleet. I thought they were currently considered lost or destroyed. Â I would agree with the Mortifactors and the Ultras while they did fight together they were not exactly thrilled to be working together Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234043-chapter-resentment/#findComment-2818049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilbo7788 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 In the same way, Blood Angels and Flesh Tearers are not true friends Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234043-chapter-resentment/#findComment-2818050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skamp Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share Posted July 14, 2011 So lets say there is a ultramarine successor would it seem odd if they tried to immitate the BA or wished they were part of that chapter? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234043-chapter-resentment/#findComment-2818336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soddinnutter Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 An Ultramarine successor accepting another Primarch as their spiritual liege. Â The idea is so endearing it hurts, for nothing it helps counter the growing trend of the latest Codex. Â But just remember to give them a reason. One good reason could be that they were getting their asses kicked by orks or whatever and their pleas for help fell on deaf ears with their gene-brothers in the other chapters but was heard and acted upon swiftly by, as an example, the Blood Drinkers chapter. Â The Blood Drinkers then proceed to kick more ass than an automatic ass kicking machine and save the other chapter from extinction and help to rebuild them. Not entirely for altruistic reasons as they can not afford to permanently garrison this area of space and they want your chapter to do so instead. Â By the end of it the Blood Drinkers are going to more like brothers than the Ultrasmurfs sitting safe on distant Ultramar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234043-chapter-resentment/#findComment-2818395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric the Silvercoat Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 There is alot of chapters that will pick spiritual primarchs like the Black Templars with Sigimud as there spiritual primarch but they still see Dorn as their primarch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234043-chapter-resentment/#findComment-2818517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 So lets say there is a ultramarine successor would it seem odd if they tried to immitate the BA or wished they were part of that chapter? It would seem a bit odd, given that you could just make a BA successor instead. :lol: Â What aspect(s) of the Blood Angels did you want your hypothetical UM successor to copy? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234043-chapter-resentment/#findComment-2818547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skamp Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share Posted July 14, 2011 So lets say there is a ultramarine successor would it seem odd if they tried to immitate the BA or wished they were part of that chapter? It would seem a bit odd, given that you could just make a BA successor instead. :) Â What aspect(s) of the Blood Angels did you want your hypothetical UM successor to copy? I wasnt going to use it but now that it has been fleshed out a little I think I might seems rather interesting and probably combat doctrine I was also thinking something along the lines of what soddinnutter suggested but the chapter is BA and witnessing the other chapters combat style and how it effectively saved them while theirs merely got them in a bad position in the first place? hmmm did I type that correctly? lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234043-chapter-resentment/#findComment-2818644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Rourke The Fanged Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 I wasnt going to use it but now that it has been fleshed out a little I think I might seems rather interesting and probably combat doctrine I was also thinking something along the lines of what soddinnutter suggested but the chapter is BA and witnessing the other chapters combat style and how it effectively saved them while theirs merely got them in a bad position in the first place? hmmm did I type that correctly? lol  Can you explain this more? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234043-chapter-resentment/#findComment-2818741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 I wasnt going to use it but now that it has been fleshed out a little I think I might seems rather interesting and probably combat doctrine I was also thinking something along the lines of what soddinnutter suggested but the chapter is BA and witnessing the other chapters combat style and how it effectively saved them while theirs merely got them in a bad position in the first place? hmmm did I type that correctly? lol  Can you explain this more? I think he means that his DIY chapter will be influenced by BA fighting style after watching Ol' Sangy's lads tear their way through some xeno/heretic miscreants.  Although to start with I read it as the Blood Angels adapting to copy his DIY chapter - I hope that's not the plan! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234043-chapter-resentment/#findComment-2818835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Rourke The Fanged Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 It seems unlikely that Ultra boys would start imitating BAs after one battle. It might have to be a prolonged conflict where what the BAs do works better than whats in the Codex. Which in itself seems unlikely so it will take some good reasoning for this happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234043-chapter-resentment/#findComment-2818949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skamp Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share Posted July 14, 2011 I wasnt going to use it but now that it has been fleshed out a little I think I might seems rather interesting and probably combat doctrine I was also thinking something along the lines of what soddinnutter suggested but the chapter is BA and witnessing the other chapters combat style and how it effectively saved them while theirs merely got them in a bad position in the first place? hmmm did I type that correctly? lol  Can you explain this more? I think he means that his DIY chapter will be influenced by BA fighting style after watching Ol' Sangy's lads tear their way through some xeno/heretic miscreants.  Although to start with I read it as the Blood Angels adapting to copy his DIY chapter - I hope that's not the plan! :) lolyour correct also i meant BA successor then they witness lets say the raven guard? im not quite sure which chapter..........hmmmm what chapter has a REALLY reckless combat style???  @rourke I was using the smurfs as an example there to high and mighty to be that gratful :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234043-chapter-resentment/#findComment-2818973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Rourke The Fanged Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 So your guys are gonna be BA successors? and I say that BA and Space Wolves are the most reckless whenever they start to fall to the Wulfen or the Red Thirst. I am pretty sure that the Raven Guard can't be stealth masters and fight recklessly so I wouldn't use them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234043-chapter-resentment/#findComment-2818978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skamp Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share Posted July 14, 2011 So your guys are gonna be BA successors? and I say that BA and Space Wolves are the most reckless whenever they start to fall to the Wulfen or the Red Thirst. I am pretty sure that the Raven Guard can't be stealth masters and fight recklessly so I wouldn't use them. thats just it you see they start off as BA (reckless although i thought there was even more reckless chapters....maybe flesh terrors?) there in some massive seige or something due to their reckless tactics they are taking heavy caualties request reinforcments from father chapter they send none but raven guard or raptors :) respond and get the job done using guerilla tactics and stealth recieving little to no caualties.......this chapter expeiriments with this combat doctrine proves succesful they get in a tight spot again once mor father chapter sends no love raven guard or raptors respond their influenced.......got the general idea? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234043-chapter-resentment/#findComment-2818995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutteman Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 There is a chapter that was/is WIP on here "The Inheritors" (I think). I was very interested in that DIY, because it had this concept where this Genesis Chapter Successor chapter are, not resentful, but they're trying to live up to their "Parents". They're constantly in their shadow of their parents, trying desperately to match them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234043-chapter-resentment/#findComment-2818997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Rourke The Fanged Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 AH good point I was only thinking of the original legions. You should take a look at The Minotaurs they are known as berserkers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234043-chapter-resentment/#findComment-2819040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 The Fire Angels are Guilliman descendents who think worshipping a Primarch is Idolatry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234043-chapter-resentment/#findComment-2819072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skamp Posted July 15, 2011 Author Share Posted July 15, 2011 so noq the question is would this idea work??? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234043-chapter-resentment/#findComment-2819460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Rourke The Fanged Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 As long as you answer the question of why well enough I think that it should work out fine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234043-chapter-resentment/#findComment-2819850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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