Slyfox1990 Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 As title suggests I have never used magnets before and would like to start doing so for BA RAS etc. With that in mind I have been browsing the web/ebay for some ideas and found these: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/100-Neodymium-Magnet...#ht_2074wt_1106 4x1mm - suggested for warhammer by the seller Just wanted to check with people if this is the usual sort of size used and if not then what is? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234089-magnets/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanhausen Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Too wide. I'd never go above 3x1 mm unless for specific projects (MC or the like). For PA arms, weapons (MM for example) and so on, I use 2x1 mm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234089-magnets/#findComment-2818575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slyfox1990 Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share Posted July 14, 2011 Cheers for advice. I thought that might be the case but as I don't have a ruler and model in front of me it's hard to know. I was wondering where people buy their magnets also? Edit: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/50-small-round-Neody...9#ht_1499wt_873 2nd attempt - I think these might be good for my purposes! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234089-magnets/#findComment-2818593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 I'm a devoted customer to K&J magnetics. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234089-magnets/#findComment-2818600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanhausen Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 I buy mine from www.supermagnete.de (IIRC... its a german firm, extremely nice customer service, ship with DHL so 48-72 hours across europe). I got like 200 magnets for some 30 euros or so. I tried also the maelstrom blue daemon ones... too thick and they use imperial system... yes, my drill bits love them :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234089-magnets/#findComment-2818649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric the Silvercoat Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 I'm a devoted customer to K&J magnetics. :P what size do you get from there for PA? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234089-magnets/#findComment-2818656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slyfox1990 Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share Posted July 14, 2011 Cheers for the help all - much appreciated. I bought a load for about 6 quid from the store shown - 2x1mm - so I ll have to see how that works out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234089-magnets/#findComment-2818669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanguardwolf Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 oops mis quoted i ment supermagnete.de the also have a dutch site me to i ordert last time, for about 40 euro's. and got a whole bag of samples free they also have the max weight the magnet can carry, described i use the 2/1 mm for PA arms fit nicely and are strong to hold even metal arm's Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234089-magnets/#findComment-2818729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 While we're here, can anyone suggest a good size of magnet for the Contemptor class dread's arms? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234089-magnets/#findComment-2818772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 I'm a devoted customer to K&J magnetics. :D what size do you get from there for PA? I use the 1/8" wide x 1/16" thick ones...which are right here, bam! They are a good size for vehicles (I use four pairs to hold my LR sponsons on - one in each corner inside the doors) and they're good for terminator arm sockets too. They are pushing the "too big" category for SM infantry though; were I to magnetize one of those models I'd probably go with a smaller width (1/16") or just pin them. Honestly though those magnets I linked are hard enough to work with at their size for me, so I'd just use pins if I needed anything smaller. :) MAGNET TIPS!!! Before you magnetize ANYTHING go through the ENTIRE STACK and use your hobby knife to score the same side of each magnet, giving you a heads-tails system. Doesn't matter which you call heads or tails so long as you are consistent. I.E. you want it such that for every magnet you have, the side with your scratches on it is sticking to another magnet's unscratched side. This will allow you to swap armaments between models as you need to (provided you are also consistent with how you glue magnets into models). In fact, I always order a new reem of magnets before my current pile runs out so I can keep the heads/tails system consistent across generations. When placing a magnet where you want it (with glue or whatever) keep it clear of the other magnets (by a foot or more) and anything metal (i.e. don't use your hobby knife or a file to try and hold the magnet in place; that can be disastrous). Use green stuff instead of super glue; NOTHING is more annoying than a magnet with super-glue on one side FLYING OUT OF YOUR HANDS or even off of whatever you're trying to glue it to and gluing to something else (hobby knife blade, file, other magnets, light, your watch, etc). If you do use super glue, be careful: use very little and hold that magnet firmly in place for a full thirty-seconds OR drill a hole that it fits right into and STILL hold it there for thirty seconds. I wet the tip of my finger just a bit so any excess super glue doesn't glue me to that magnet. If no matter what you do it STILL goes FLYING SOMEWHERE AWKWARD, get it wet immediately! Dump it into a little pot of water and break it free. If it's too late, a Simple Green soak might break the bond for you. Might. :) Those magnets are strong and will really try to keep the S.G. from getting in to all that super glue. Keep in mind that a case full of magnetized guys can get annoying, so take that into consideration as you weave magnets everywhere. Though, it is very handy to magnetize things that break a lot, like antennas, sword arms that stick up gallantly, etc. I hope this helps! EDIT: Olisredan, I'd just use my standbys (linked above) in multiples if a single pairing woundn't work. Or even a combination of pins and magnets. You could also go with slightly bigger magnets, but those little ones are surprisingly strong, especially if they're in contact together (i.e. not having to pull at one another through a layer of plastic and paint). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234089-magnets/#findComment-2818794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanguardwolf Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 ist not the size that matters, but the weight it can carrie and squares are beter then disks, disc's can slide down. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234089-magnets/#findComment-2818797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Cheers, Thade. I'll experiment when my pre-order comes through. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234089-magnets/#findComment-2818802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 ist not the size that matters, but the weight it can carrieand squares are beter then disks, disc's can slide down. Actually, I assert that size does matter insofar as how easy they are to handle when modelling. :D Those tiny ones can be SUCH a pain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234089-magnets/#findComment-2818805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slyfox1990 Posted July 15, 2011 Author Share Posted July 15, 2011 When placing a magnet where you want it (with glue or whatever) keep it clear of the other magnets (by a foot or more) and anything metal (i.e. don't use your hobby knife or a file to try and hold the magnet in place; that can be disastrous). What kind if disaster? :) Any info is welcome. I mean I ve ordered 100 already and will definately follow your advice Thade as it seems helpful and sensible - thanks for that! I will just go by trial and error mostly. I presume that as these magnets go on about their strength, they should be able to hold arms and backpack. Potentially only time will tell on that! It wasn't expensive to get the magnets so not a specific worry if it's not perfect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234089-magnets/#findComment-2819486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanhausen Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 When you buy magnets you should check their "ND rate" so to say. 52 is the highest I've seen, 48 being the most common. Thade gives some nice advice there... I drilled so the magnet would sit flat on the outside and a drop of super glue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234089-magnets/#findComment-2819526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slyfox1990 Posted July 15, 2011 Author Share Posted July 15, 2011 Yeh I figure I ll flat drill and just slot them in - we will see. The pull power is supposedly 0.1kg - that seems like it should easily be enough for my purpose! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234089-magnets/#findComment-2819628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanhausen Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Take into account that 0.1 Kg is the strength of 1 magnet.... magnet vs magnet makes a stronger bond :( I've used them for dreadnough arms, predator/LR sponsons... no problem whatsoever. You have to learn to move your models by picking their base though xD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234089-magnets/#findComment-2819728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 What kind if disaster? :( Any info is welcome. In that particular example, using something made of metal (ferrous metal, to be clear) will give the magnet something to jump to: your magnet will try to super-glue itself to your file (or whatever you used). Disaster! Use only plastic or your own fingers to hold the magnets in place while they dry. My first LR is magnetized without any holes drilled in it. Now that I own a Dremel, I'm a huge fan of putting holes places for magnets. Drill clean through? No problem. Use GW's Green Stuff to brace that magnet where you want it. Flush with the surface is ideal. Be very careful and think everything very carefully through before trying. I lost a set of LR sponsons to experimentation and rushing in. I mean, it lead to some cool-looking objective markers...but I would've preferred NOT having to buy a new set of sponsons. ;) Note that if you buy a Dremel, I recommend the small, hand-held cord-free one...and it won't come with the drill-bit attachments OR the grommits you'll need to mount the drill bits, so you'll need to pick up all of that. Hit up Home Depot and tell them you want to get a Dremel to drill very small holes into weak plastic; hopefully you find someone who knows what you'll need. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234089-magnets/#findComment-2819738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slyfox1990 Posted July 15, 2011 Author Share Posted July 15, 2011 Sadly home depot is going to be tricky as I'm from the UK :( but thanks for advice. I'll be playing around with various spare crap that I have and see what happens. Seems the easiest way to learn really. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234089-magnets/#findComment-2819750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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