skawolf Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 So, I was reading the lone wolf entry in our codex and I noticed something that might be a fluff problem. Now, it says that when a squad is reduced to one member and said member has not yet earned a place in the wolf guard will have nothing left but revenge (paraphrased I know) Now why would it be that lone wolves can take terminator armor if they have not made it into the wolf guard? Are they just given one of the most precious suits of armor in the Imperium to go out and die in it? Sorry if it's been brought up before, couldn't find it with the search. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234113-fluff-questions-for-lone-wolves/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Pretty much a Lone Wolf is granted an open door to the armory to fulfill his oath. The oath is taken pretty seriously by the Space Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234113-fluff-questions-for-lone-wolves/#findComment-2819013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric the Silvercoat Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Also if he does go and kill something in an awesome way he gets into the Wolf Guard automatically Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234113-fluff-questions-for-lone-wolves/#findComment-2819025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanguardwolf Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 this is a compliacted one, but if you read the rest of the LW fluff, that he has vows and oath.(he vows down to hunt the most monstourus foe he can find, some thing that might need the DTA) and that not even the great wolf himsef woud ubstruct or countermand the destiny the lone wolf has chosen so in that line of respect, even from the great wolf mabe they are granted the honour of the TDA. so i think (imho) the fluff is written correct but depending on interpretation how you make it fit greets Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234113-fluff-questions-for-lone-wolves/#findComment-2819048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Or maybe its simply that the access to TDA is simply to allwo you to represent a Wolfguard who has take the death oath because he failed to protect his Lord... Just because one LW can have TDA, doesnt have to mean that all LW's can have them... They might not even know how to use TDA after all, and I cant see a LW taking time off from his oath just to learn how to use TDA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234113-fluff-questions-for-lone-wolves/#findComment-2819082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 It's more that you see terminator lone wolves a lot on the table, even though it would probably be a lot rarer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234113-fluff-questions-for-lone-wolves/#findComment-2819100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wysten Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 From the way I see it, the Space wolves take their oaths extremely seriously. Nothing is more imporent then the pack aside from their duty to the all father and Russ so that, when a Space wolf looses all of his comrades that have been with him for all his marine life, I almost imagine that the Space Wolves would either: A: Have weapons of ill omin set aside for exactly that occation, used only by the Wolves with nothing to lose, and the essence of previous lone wolves may actually infulence his resistance on the battle field, a quirk of the warp. B: The space wolf culture will provide all the weapons the lone wolf all the weapons he needs, the lone wolfs motives are of matter of extremely grave nature. All space wolves know the loss of a comrade, so losing everything, without comrades he is nothing, so he swares the great oath and is presented the armiment for his final battle, the wolves allowing him to do so out of respect for his wish as most Lone wolves die the next great battle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234113-fluff-questions-for-lone-wolves/#findComment-2819169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skawolf Posted July 15, 2011 Author Share Posted July 15, 2011 Thanks for the answers! It makes a bit more sense now, I just want to model some of them for fun (well that and the fact that my current 1850 list has no elite slots taken up) and i ran into that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234113-fluff-questions-for-lone-wolves/#findComment-2819419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanguardwolf Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 i use both TDA and PA with all sorts of wargear. and alway's with 2 fenrisian wolves(like the look of it in the field and fluff like their only way of having companion's) in game they eat up soms wounds but wilt saga of the wolf kin(on a hQ), they kick ass even befor the LW him self get to work. one problem is that they are so slow, i would love one on a bike of JP greets Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234113-fluff-questions-for-lone-wolves/#findComment-2819445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Hey, we give them the most precious armour we have access to, they're not getting a bike or jump pack as well. Actually, terminator armour isn't particularly rare for us Space Wolves. We can potentially field 67 suits at once, and lots of players do that. We outdo Deathwing (47 suits) and Codex Marines (32 suits). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234113-fluff-questions-for-lone-wolves/#findComment-2819571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Deathwing have 100 suits total. Just because you/they can field x number of suits, doesn't mean that the Wolves/DA have that many/that few suits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234113-fluff-questions-for-lone-wolves/#findComment-2819707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjaco Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Hey, we give them the most precious armour we have access to, they're not getting a bike or jump pack as well. Actually, terminator armour isn't particularly rare for us Space Wolves. We can potentially field 67 suits at once, and lots of players do that. We outdo Deathwing (47 suits) and Codex Marines (32 suits). Where did you get that number for TDA (67)? I dont recall seeing that before. It would seem to me the wolves would have more because they only divided the Legion once. Not like the Ultra's or others who have done so multiple times. Not finding fault, just wondering where your information came from. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234113-fluff-questions-for-lone-wolves/#findComment-2820069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I think he's going off the number of suits you can take in the army list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234113-fluff-questions-for-lone-wolves/#findComment-2820074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanguardwolf Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 logan 1tda 1 3 more hq's in tda 3 6 times 10 TDA 60 and 3 lonewolves in TDA 3 makes 67 it would be about 2750 pt un upgraded Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234113-fluff-questions-for-lone-wolves/#findComment-2820084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 But that's not necessarily the number of suits they have. Fluff-wise, the DA have more than a hundred. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234113-fluff-questions-for-lone-wolves/#findComment-2820085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanguardwolf Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 he ment that according to the FoC(non apocalypse) and with 250 to spare on wargear it would just make 3000 pts zo the absolute max useing the FoC Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234113-fluff-questions-for-lone-wolves/#findComment-2820091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 But that doesn't automatically mean we have lots of suits, just that it's possible to have lots in the army list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234113-fluff-questions-for-lone-wolves/#findComment-2820098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 That's true, but they're hardly a rare commodity in our lists possibly reflecting their availability in the fluff. If we max out on power armour, that's 4 HQs, 30 wolf guard, 90 blood claws, 36 swiftclaws (30 on bikes, 6 on attack bikes) and 18 long fangs, for a total of 178 suits. That means that we have roughly 1 terminator suit for every 3 powered armour suits. Compare that to a normal marine army, 32 versus 152, where it's roughly 1 for every 5. Dark Angels have 47 versus 152 for roughly 1 to 3, same as we do. Grey Knights on the other hand, 2 HQ, 30 Paladin, 60 Terminators for a total of 92, versus 2 Brotherhood Champions, 30 Purifiers, 60 Strike Squads, 30 Interceptors, 30 Purgators. 92 versus 152, that's about 2 terminator suits per 3 power armour suits. That agrees quite nicely with the fluff that Grey Knights have an enormous amount of terminator armour compared to anybody else. Yes, I know in fluff terminator armour is only worn by the first company, but just because they only need 100 suits doesn't mean that that's all they have. Battlefield attrition would quickly wipe out an army that relied on having only one of any particular weapon per man, and rare and expensive as terminator armour is, the marine inside it is still worth more than the armour. [Edit] Which may be why the Wolf Lord gives the Lone Wolf access to tactical dreadnought armour. A good soldier is hard to replace, so he does his best to ensure that the grieving Wolf makes it home again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234113-fluff-questions-for-lone-wolves/#findComment-2820117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Yes, I know in fluff terminator armour is only worn by the first company, but just because they only need 100 suits doesn't mean that that's all they have. Battlefield attrition would quickly wipe out an army that relied on having only one of any particular weapon per man, and rare and expensive as terminator armour is, the marine inside it is still worth more than the armour. termie armour is only worn by first company veterans because it takes special training in order to be able to wear it. its not as simple as plugging them in like in power armour. Consider how Ragnar had to learn how to wear his power armour in the BL series... the power increase, the feedback, the reactions, etc. Let alone the marine might have spent the last hundred yeras in a suit of power armour, now he's virtually got to learn how to walk again... Then to reach the skill and dexterity which he had before... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234113-fluff-questions-for-lone-wolves/#findComment-2820162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Fluff-wise how is Ragnar the first SW ever to go from BC to WL? Blood Claws die the most so most Lone Wolves would probably be Blood Claws, even though most of them die in the hunt its probable that some make it back alive, and then get promoted straight to Wolf Guard. Then obviously they wont be nailed on for WL but it would help them alot to have epic LW monster slaying on their CV. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234113-fluff-questions-for-lone-wolves/#findComment-2820335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 And you've answered your own question... Those Blood Claws that survive beign a lone wolf would go into the Wolf Guard, so wouldnt go straight from BC to Wolf Lord, since they've been WG in between... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234113-fluff-questions-for-lone-wolves/#findComment-2820481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Fluff-wise how is Ragnar the first SW ever to go from BC to WL? Blood Claws die the most so most Lone Wolves would probably be Blood Claws, even though most of them die in the hunt its probable that some make it back alive, and then get promoted straight to Wolf Guard. Then obviously they wont be nailed on for WL but it would help them alot to have epic LW monster slaying on their CV. casualty numbers rarely leave a pack with only 1 surviving, do you have any idea what it takes to kill a marine? surely during a batle he may enter the red sleep, but fluffwise it takes quite a lot to kill a marine, to kill 8-9 of them takes even more stuff!.surely a pack could become under fighting strenght but then there are still other duties to attend such as vehiclecrew etc. surely a bloodclaw isn't honed yet enough but learning how to drive a rhino, fly a speeder etc still takes a lot of time Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234113-fluff-questions-for-lone-wolves/#findComment-2820671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjaco Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Fluff-wise how is Ragnar the first SW ever to go from BC to WL? Blood Claws die the most so most Lone Wolves would probably be Blood Claws, even though most of them die in the hunt its probable that some make it back alive, and then get promoted straight to Wolf Guard. Then obviously they wont be nailed on for WL but it would help them alot to have epic LW monster slaying on their CV. casualty numbers rarely leave a pack with only 1 surviving, do you have any idea what it takes to kill a marine? surely during a batle he may enter the red sleep, but fluffwise it takes quite a lot to kill a marine, to kill 8-9 of them takes even more stuff!.surely a pack could become under fighting strenght but then there are still other duties to attend such as vehiclecrew etc. surely a bloodclaw isn't honed yet enough but learning how to drive a rhino, fly a speeder etc still takes a lot of time I think the Wolves use thrall's for most of that. Maybe not the Speeders but a lot of the others possibly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234113-fluff-questions-for-lone-wolves/#findComment-2821900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 as far as i'm aware our vehicles are all manned by space wolves, most of them beeing grey hunters i believe. valerian might be able to give you a quote :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234113-fluff-questions-for-lone-wolves/#findComment-2822296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Fluff-wise how is Ragnar the first SW ever to go from BC to WL? Ragnar didn't go straight from Blood Claw to Wolf Lord; he went to Wolf Guard first. Is that what you meant to write? as far as i'm aware our vehicles are all manned by space wolves, most of them beeing grey hunters i believe. valerian might be able to give you a quote ;) Yes, I've read somewhere that most vehicles are crewed by Grey Hunters. I'll have to find the source later though. I just moved and have several days worth of work ahead of me to get the new house in order. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234113-fluff-questions-for-lone-wolves/#findComment-2822753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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