FallenLion Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/...tiPageMode=true the awesome looking mini in the middle of that army. Where can I buy, or convert, him :P Thanks in advance Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234123-captain/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakeraven Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 that is made from the captain box with sword head and front torso from the blood angel bits, torso is from sanguanry guard i think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234123-captain/#findComment-2819215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judaz Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 It's the captain from our page 66 is it not? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234123-captain/#findComment-2819243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMac Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 It's the captain from our page 66 is it not? It sure seems that way. I think this model is heavily converted. I've never seen a GW posed model in which the mini is holding his own helmet. Some of the bits are from the Sanguinary Guard box (helmet and Torso), the legs, sword and head are from the Death Co. box, and I'm not sure about the cape or back pack. Also, it should be noted that this mini isn't legal for tournament play as he is wearing artificer armor, and sadly our captains can't take artificer armor as a wargear option (curse you matt ward!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234123-captain/#findComment-2819277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustonT Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 It IS the Cap from page 66, he is also tournament legal. Just because you use SG parts doesn't mean it's artificer armor. It's just fancy. Further enforced by the fact that he's posted ON the GW website in a GW army not to mention pictured in the codex. As are the 2ed Dantes honor guard on page 67 (bottom), also tournament legal. The model isn't so much converted as kit bashed. The powerpack and rear torso with cape is from the SM commander box, as is the pleated leather piece on the front. The right arm is from the DC box; as is the head and legs. The helmet and front torso are from the SG box. The left arm can either be a standard tactical marine or DC bolter holding left arm.The only conversion needed is to remove the neck from the helmet and.drilling a hole for the curled fingers to go into. Aside from that and choosing shoulder pads: glue, paint, enjoy. He should be a pretty simple build if you have trouble I more than likely have all the parts and I can blu tack them together in a step by step pic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234123-captain/#findComment-2819285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenLion Posted July 15, 2011 Author Share Posted July 15, 2011 It IS the Cap from page 66, he is also tournament legal. Just because you use SG parts doesn't mean it's artificer armor. It's just fancy. Further enforced by the fact that he's posted ON the GW website in a GW army not to mention pictured in the codex. As are the 2ed Dantes honor guard on page 67 (bottom), also tournament legal. The model isn't so much converted as kit bashed. The powerpack and rear torso with cape is from the SM commander box, as is the pleated leather piece on the front. The right arm is from the DC box; as is the head and legs. The helmet and front torso are from the SG box. The left arm can either be a standard tactical marine or DC bolter holding left arm.The only conversion needed is to remove the neck from the helmet and.drilling a hole for the curled fingers to go into. Aside from that and choosing shoulder pads: glue, paint, enjoy. He should be a pretty simple build if you have trouble I more than likely have all the parts and I can blu tack them together in a step by step pic. Thanks very much, but to be frank. Thats WAY to much effort for a captain I wont ever use :P and money I don't have :/ If they ever release the model I will buy and paint it. But for a mini I wont ever use it seems way to much effort :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234123-captain/#findComment-2820146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMac Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 It IS the Cap from page 66, he is also tournament legal. Just because you use SG parts doesn't mean it's artificer armor. It's not just fancy, it's artificer armor. The codex even says so under the armor section after the wargear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234123-captain/#findComment-2820276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustonT Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 It IS the Cap from page 66, he is also tournament legal. Just because you use SG parts doesn't mean it's artificer armor. It's not just fancy, it's artificer armor. The codex even says so under the armor section after the wargear. The codex says that nipples and sixpacks provide additional protection? Since C:BA is a bit short on the words department for Artificer Armor I'll use C:SM. "Though the two are superficially similar in appearance, artificer armour is as far beyond power armor as power armour is beyond the carapace armor used by space marine scouts." P102 C:SM If you disagree that much with that interpretation I suggest you write GW and inform them of their grave error in picturing units on both pages 66 AND 67 of C:BA, who are unable to be fielded due to their armour and to remove pictures of the same units that appear on the GW website. Some players take WYSIWYG too literally, if I put a banana in my Vet SGTs hand and I tell you its a CCW then it is a CCW, If I tell you that it is the Power Banana of Doom a mastercrafted powerweapon, and I payed the points for it in my army list. My banana is a MCPW. It is the ABSENCE of an item rather than its presence that is the crux of WYSIWYG. If I tell you that in addition to my Power Banana of Doom I inform you that my VSGT also has a Thunder Coconut of Mutually Assured Destruction, then he'd better have a coconut on the model or base, or no Meltabombs for Sammie. and if he doesn't have meltabombs...he just likes to throw fruit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234123-captain/#findComment-2820298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Really? Seriously? You guys are getting worked up over whether or not that muscled armour absolutely positively has to be artificer armour? :P It's a game, guys, played with little toy soldiers. Let's step back from the useless pissing contest about whether or not the muscled armour can be used as power armour and remember that we're supposed to be having fun. B) It's amazing what we want to argue about sometimes. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234123-captain/#findComment-2820332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustonT Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Thunder Banana of Doom Tyler. Now I have to make a miniature banana and put it on a model. How do you think I feel about the time and effort I have to put into this now? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234123-captain/#findComment-2820334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMac Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Im only speaking from experience and what i've encountered at past tournaments. i realize that a lot of time and effort goes into these minis and wouldnt want someone to run into the same problems i have in the past. sorry to get othes so worked up over it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234123-captain/#findComment-2820351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 If the unit entry can not ever take Artificer Armour in his unit entry, how is there any confusion as to what type of armour he is wearing, ornate or otherwise? He has the option of Power or Terminator armour. And it sure ain't Terminator armour.... *sigh* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234123-captain/#findComment-2820358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnightmare Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 The codex says that nipples and sixpacks provide additional protection? :) :P B) It worked for the Spartens, no? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234123-captain/#findComment-2820359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMac Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 If the unit entry can not ever take Artificer Armour in his unit entry, how is there any confusion as to what type of armour he is wearing, ornate or otherwise? He has the option of Power or Terminator armour. And it sure ain't Terminator armour.... *sigh* I agree but the TO did not. Had to use a different model Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234123-captain/#findComment-2820368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Chris Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Personally, kitbashing is one of my favourite bits of the hobby. To mix and match DC, SG and commander bits to make a unique model is one of the main reasons to have a captain. when the Dc and SG were released last april there was a WD issue with examples. It seemed to me they though of the SG armour as being 'Artificer Armour' and that is the type used to illustrate it in the codex. The fact that the kit bashed captains often had it (and glaives encarmine) makes me think that at that stage Captains were still being given those options. On another point, Sicarius is modelled with the possibility of holding his own helmet, which is where the pose comes from. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234123-captain/#findComment-2820537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustonT Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 The codex says that nipples and sixpacks provide additional protection? :rolleyes: :lol: :lol: It worked for the Spartens, no? I want to punch you right now, but in the arm for making a point that made me LOL. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234123-captain/#findComment-2820587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cain Tiberius Kondrad Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 By the same arguement, Techmarines obviously can not be wearing Artificer armour because its so bulky and unwieldy... Yet according to the codecies, Techmarines are listed as having Artificer armour. On top of that, BA are the only army so far that have ever had Nips and 6 packs (Produced by GW anyway). Are you arguing that all the other chapters do not have Artificer armour also? I chose to use the line of the BA living longer and dedicating more time to their asthetics. And as such in my army, my Captain, my Sanguinary Priests, my Sternguard and Vanguard Veterans will all have Nipples and 6 Packs :lol: If an oponant refuses to play me because of this, then obviously they take themselves and the game far to seriously and wouldn't be worth playing against in the first place. CTK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234123-captain/#findComment-2820640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Chris Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Next WD, we find out if the Sisters of Battle can get Artificer Armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234123-captain/#findComment-2820868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustonT Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Blood angels captains have been modeled with a muscled chestplate since 2ed. Granted the intent is supposed to be that they take artificer armor. Love that you brought up Sicarus, he doesn't have nipples or a six-pack and GW dares to call his armor Artificer. It's not even gold! :lol: GW? How dare you toy with our emotions and delicate sensibilities. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234123-captain/#findComment-2820994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBaals Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Really? Seriously? You guys are getting worked up over whether or not that muscled armour absolutely positively has to be artificer armour? :huh: It's a game, guys, played with little toy soldiers. Let's step back from the useless pissing contest about whether or not the muscled armour can be used as power armour and remember that we're supposed to be having fun. B) It's amazing what we want to argue about sometimes. :) YES! Thank you. Here's a bit I personally wrote for my buddy's blog about just this type of situation: http://www.warhammer39999.com/2011/01/the-...ulebook-page-2/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234123-captain/#findComment-2821044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Yellow Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 People who complain that a sculpted chest plate is artificier armour are just being pedantic. It's just a game, there are much worse ambiguous statements in the rules and clear oversights that might deserve a bit of emotion. In regards to the conversion. It looks to me to be quite a simple kit bash from the new ba boxes and commander box set. Easy enough to pick up those from bits sites. Shouldn't be too expensive, probably in the wrong hobby if a £5 kit bash is too much. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234123-captain/#findComment-2821215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Excedis Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 AustonT I must say your coconut and banana sound like something straight from Monty Python. I really did appreciate that. But with regards tot he captain, those parts are easily obtained. There are a ton of bitz sites out there that will give you those parts for cents a piece. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234123-captain/#findComment-2821227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Chris Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 BigBaal's blog link is great. At the risk of prolonging the agony for wysiwyg, in the past I always assumed that the gold armoured BA captains were the ones in artificer armour, rather than the ones with sculpted torsos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234123-captain/#findComment-2821565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJB Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Next WD, we find out if the Sisters of Battle can get Artificer Armour. Haha, can't wait... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234123-captain/#findComment-2821584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venerable Jazzman Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 They're little plastic spacemen, guys. Chill Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234123-captain/#findComment-2821803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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