Commander S. Caesare Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Hey, guys. So far, I hear there are 2 missing Legions. Could those Legions somewhere be out there, like what Rogal Dorn said at the tower? Since each Legion is based upon some ancient empire in real life (Ultramarines=Greek, White Scars=Khan's), the one I don't see mentioned is a Catholic/Roman Empire. I think I have an idea what one of these Legions would be, but I'm not entirely sure how they would be originated. The Heralds of the Emperor? Like the Roman choirs of Caesar? I like the name for the II Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234202-ii-legion-xi-legion/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Well the Legions aren't always based upon empires, for example the Space Wolves are Viking based. Filling the gaps by what empires of real world Earth might be a good idea, until you take that into account. Plus anything you can think of is what GW can do. Who knows! And the missing Legions aren't the VII and XIII, those are the Imperial Fists and Ultramarines I believe. You're thinking of the II and XI Legions... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234202-ii-legion-xi-legion/#findComment-2820426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 In fact, the Legions based on real-world Empires seem to be the minority. You've got the Roman/Classical Ultramarines, the knightly Dark Angels, the Mongol White Scars and... well, that's really about it. I suppose you could stretch it to say the Word Bearers were like the Catholic/Roman empire, but not really. Most of the Legions had more of a simple over-arching theme to them, like the techno-obsessed/vaguely scottish Iron Hands, or the Batman-themed Night Lords. Most weren't as copy-paste as the White Scars, fortunately. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234202-ii-legion-xi-legion/#findComment-2821038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander S. Caesare Posted July 17, 2011 Author Share Posted July 17, 2011 Now that I'm thinkin' bout it, is it possible the Alpha Legion is the Soviet Union, Cold-War Era style? 1. Secretive 2. Made use of the satellite base idea 3. Two faces (USSR had the political and military faces) 4. Diverge from the usual (Traitor legions went to the warp, but the Alphas go to the East?) 5. Guerrilla and small-time actions 6. Implemented many strategies to experiment the only thing that doesn't connect is the boatload of causalities. USSR=beyond the population of India and China put together Alpha Legion=200+ Im seriously doubting this theory now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234202-ii-legion-xi-legion/#findComment-2821087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 USSR=beyond the population of India and China put together Alpha Legion=200+ China and India both have much bigger populations than Russia. -- I would base the Alpha Legion on organisations like the CIA, MI5/MI6, Mossad, FSB - all mixed in with Special Forces. The Alpha Legion tend to work in small cells, controlled by probably no more than five Astartes, for an average operation, with the rest of the numbers filled with human recruits. They specialise in intelligence gathering and small precise strikes aimed at critical areas on a planet they are based on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234202-ii-legion-xi-legion/#findComment-2821223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Indeed, they were far more closely related to the Inquisition (even though the =][= didn't exist at the time) in regards to modus operandi than how the other Legions operated, using the book Legion as the defining source. As older fluff goes I was always under the impression the Alpha Legion acted very much like terrorist cells, rather than the counter-terrorism cell MO evoked in Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234202-ii-legion-xi-legion/#findComment-2821230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Just call it a clandestine cell, that way you cover a broad spectrum such as espionage, sabotage and unconventional warfare. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234202-ii-legion-xi-legion/#findComment-2821235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Just call it a clandestine cell, that way you cover a broad spectrum such as espionage, sabotage and unconventional warfare. :D Fair enough, I'll go with that. ;) In regards to OPs question and to the fate of the two missing legions - I would love to subscribe to the theory that some of the survivors ended up in the Ultramarines legion but I know the idea has been debunked by a, shall we say, official source. So, as of yet it is still a mystery with interesting hints. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234202-ii-legion-xi-legion/#findComment-2821258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 I would still like to see a legion being sent out far away from the crusade forging its own path. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234202-ii-legion-xi-legion/#findComment-2821289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 But all of the legions forged theri own pats. By definition if one of the other 2 did waht you suggest, then that was part of the crusade... No? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234202-ii-legion-xi-legion/#findComment-2821329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 No i mean literally had free reign to go and do what they wanted by the Emperor, i don't mean retaking worlds in the name of the Humanity like the other expeditions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234202-ii-legion-xi-legion/#findComment-2821332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 No i mean literally had free reign to go and do what they wanted by the Emperor, i don't mean retaking worlds in the name of the Humanity like the other expeditions. Oh I think I know what you mean. Kinda like the Golden Path in Dune, where scattering Humanity protects it as a whole when a portion of it goes toxic. Or am I off the mark? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234202-ii-legion-xi-legion/#findComment-2821450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judaz Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 The 'First Heretic' suggests that all the primarchs and even the regular captains knew of the lost legions. Who they were and what they had done. It also suggests that the Ultramarines got reinforcements from those legions. What they really did? I hope we never find out. We need some unknowns in this universe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234202-ii-legion-xi-legion/#findComment-2822230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 The 'First Heretic' suggests that all the primarchs and even the regular captains knew of the lost legions. Who they were and what they had done. It also suggests that the Ultramarines got reinforcements from those legions. Yeh it suggests that but then the author A D-B specifically stated on this very forum that is wasn't true, and it was purely jokey speculation, owing to the fact that the Ultramarines Legion was huge in comparison all others. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234202-ii-legion-xi-legion/#findComment-2822258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Meh GW are probz stuck between do we create another 2 primarchs or let people make their own (the later never being the case) so they will probz just make us wait to build suspense. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234202-ii-legion-xi-legion/#findComment-2822260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander S. Caesare Posted July 18, 2011 Author Share Posted July 18, 2011 Now that I'm thinkin' bout it, is it possible the Alpha Legion is the Soviet Union, Cold-War Era style? 1. Secretive 2. Made use of the satellite base idea 3. Two faces (USSR had the political and military faces) 4. Diverge from the usual (Traitor legions went to the warp, but the Alphas go to the East?) 5. Guerrilla and small-time actions 6. Implemented many strategies to experiment the only thing that doesn't connect is the boatload of causalities. USSR=beyond the population of India and China put together Alpha Legion=200+ Im seriously doubting this theory now. I was stating the # of overall casualities in all conflicts. Exaggeration Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234202-ii-legion-xi-legion/#findComment-2822269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander S. Caesare Posted July 18, 2011 Author Share Posted July 18, 2011 The 'First Heretic' suggests that all the primarchs and even the regular captains knew of the lost legions. Who they were and what they had done. It also suggests that the Ultramarines got reinforcements from those legions. What they really did? I hope we never find out. We need some unknowns in this universe. I heard a theory on that. Missing Legion #s: 2 and 11 Ultramarines #: 13 2+11=13 GW, you crafty sons of :rolleyes: . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234202-ii-legion-xi-legion/#findComment-2822271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judaz Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 The 'First Heretic' suggests that all the primarchs and even the regular captains knew of the lost legions. Who they were and what they had done. It also suggests that the Ultramarines got reinforcements from those legions. Yeh it suggests that but then the author A D-B specifically stated on this very forum that is wasn't true, and it was purely jokey speculation, owing to the fact that the Ultramarines Legion was huge in comparison all others. Ok...I hope he only denied the part about the Ultramarines. That the marines of old knew about the lost legions seems stupid to write and then deny it afterwards. He is one of my favorite authors so far in the Heresy series. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234202-ii-legion-xi-legion/#findComment-2822299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Ok...I hope he only denied the part about the Ultramarines. That the marines of old knew about the lost legions seems stupid to write and then deny it afterwards. He is one of my favorite authors so far in the Heresy series. No i mean that A D-B wrote it in the context of the characters talking in a jokey way between themselves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234202-ii-legion-xi-legion/#findComment-2822446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Ok...I hope he only denied the part about the Ultramarines. That the marines of old knew about the lost legions seems stupid to write and then deny it afterwards. He is one of my favorite authors so far in the Heresy series. No i mean that A D-B wrote it in the context of the characters talking in a jokey way between themselves. Indeed, they were musing on a rumour, iirc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234202-ii-legion-xi-legion/#findComment-2822456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 But did he outright say that the merging with the ultras did NOT happen? Or was he saying that no one knows it if happened or not, and it is a rumor that could be right or wrong? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234202-ii-legion-xi-legion/#findComment-2822528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 But did he outright say that the merging with the ultras did NOT happen? Or was he saying that no one knows it if happened or not, and it is a rumor that could be right or wrong? Pretty much said it didn't happen from what i remember. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234202-ii-legion-xi-legion/#findComment-2822542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Yes, he said it didn't happen and was in no way meant to be taken seriously. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234202-ii-legion-xi-legion/#findComment-2822543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Yes, he said it didn't happen and was in no way meant to be taken seriously. I recall he said the emboldened bit exactly, verbatim. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234202-ii-legion-xi-legion/#findComment-2822552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Yes, he said it didn't happen and was in no way meant to be taken seriously. I recall he said the emboldened bit exactly, verbatim. Oh ok, I was just making sure :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234202-ii-legion-xi-legion/#findComment-2822567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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