Firefighter X Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 IMHO plasma pistols in Berzerker squads are a waste. Don't get me wrong I used to use them religiously but I've been burned [ literally ] by them too many times to spend the 30 points per unit on them. By dropping them from each of your squads you free up 90 points. Drop the Berzerker Skull Champ w/ PW from Khârn's squad, that's another 21 points for him, +15 for SC upgrade and +15 for the PW for an additional 51 points. Total savings of 141 points + the 15 you have left over nets you 156 points. I'd use those points for a Termicide squad. ++Termicide Squad ++ Chaos Terminators X3 *Chainfist X1 *Combi-melta X2 & power weapon X2 *Heavy flamer X1 _____________________ Total: 120 points Take the remaining 36 points and add extra armor to both of your rhinos for 30 points. With the last 5 points give one of your Skull Champs a personal icon to deep strike your Termicide squad off of. So here's how I'd run your 1750 list [ my suggestions/changes are in BOLD ]: Khârn (165) 8 berserkers (168) Land raider (235) -extra armour 8 berserkers (263) -PF champ -personal icon -rhino *extra armor 8 berserkers (258) -PF champ -rhino *extra armor Chaos Terminators X3 (120) *Chainfist X1 *Combi-melta X2 & power weapon X2 *Heavy flamer X1 Chaos Terminators X3 (120) *Chainfist X1 *Combi-melta X2 & power weapon X2 *Heavy flamer X1 Chaos Terminators X3 (120) *Chainfist X1 *Combi-melta X2 & power weapon X2 *Heavy flamer X1 Defiler (150) -4 DCCW -battlecannon Defiler (150) -4 DCCW -battlecannon 1749 Army Breakdown Model Count: 33 Vehicles: 5. 1 Landraider, 2 Rhinos, 2 Defilers Tank poppers / MC killers: 2 TLLC from Landraider, 2 PF from Berzerkers, 3 Chainfists, 6 Combi-meltas, 2 Battle Cannons, 8 DCCW's from Defilers, 1 Gorechild Anti Horde Weapons: 2 Battle cannons, 3 Heavy Flamers, 1 Khârn, 24 Berzerkers. Scoring units: 3 Your biggest problem is you have 3 troop choices. You might be taxed a bit in objective based games. However tabling your opponent also ensures victory. You'll just get more milage and usage out of the termicide squads than you will the dreads. I hated to admit that fact myself because I have 2 [ now useless ] Forge World World Eater Dreads with DCCW's doing nothing. I love true to fluff armies, troop heavy armies, and World Eaters. I initially ran a rhino rush 1850 assault army but had to change it up a bit to make it more competitive.. Here's my current 1850 list to give you an idea. My 1850 World Eaters Tourny List HQ--Khârn The Betrayer--165 Heavy1--Obliterators Cult X2--150 Heavy2--Obliterators Cult X2--150 Heavy3--Defiler--150 *Extra close combat weapon [ replaces twin linked heavy flamer ] *Extra close combat weapon [ replaces reaper autocannon ] ELITE1--Chaos Terminators X3--120 ++Termicide Squad++ *Chainfist X1 *Combi-melta X2 w/ Power Weapons X2 *Heavy Flamer ELITE2--Chaos Terminators X3--120 ++Termicide Squad++ *Chainfist X1 *Combi-melta X2 w/ Power Weapons X2 *Heavy Flamer Troop1-- Khorne Berzerkers X7--197 ** Khârn attaches to this unit ** *Rhino Troop Transport w/ Extra Armor Troop2-- Khorne Berzerkers X8--263 *Aspiring Champion w/ Power Fist *Personal Icon *Rhino Troop Transport w/ Extra Armor Troop3-- Khorne Berzerkers X8--263 *Aspiring Champion w/ Power Fist * Personal Icon *Rhino Troop Transport w/ Extra Armor Troop4-- Khorne Berzerkers X8--263 *Aspiring Champion w/ Power Fist * Personal Icon *Rhino Troop Transport w/ Extra Armor ___________________________________________ Total: 1841 points Army Breakdown: Model Count: 42 Models Vehicles: 4 rhinos, 1 Defiler Tank poppers / MC killers: 4 Obliterators ranged weapons , 7 power fists [ 3 Berzerkers , 4 Obliterators ], 2 Chainfists, 4 Combi-meltas, Defiler CC weapons [ maybe ], 1 Battle Cannon [ last resort? ], 1 Gorechild Anti Horde Weapons: 2 Heavy Flamers, Obliterator Weapons, 1 Pieplate of Doom [ Defiler battle cannon ] Scoring Units: 4 Blood for the Blood God... Cheers, FFX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted July 21, 2011 Author Share Posted July 21, 2011 thanks for the insight FFX.. im not sure i like the idea of spamming termicide tbh.. although if i did drop the plasma pistols, id probably use the points for a third dreadnought. target saturation and all that. Khârn (165) 8 berserkers (203) -PW champ -meltabombs Land raider (235) -extra armour 8 berserkers (243) -PF champ -rhino 8 berserkers (243) -PF champ -rhino dreadnought (120) -2 DCCW -heavy flamer -extra armour dreadnought (120) -2 DCCW -heavy flamer -extra armour dreadnought (120) -2 DCCW -heavy flamer -extra armour Defiler (150) -3 DCCW -reaper autocannon -battlecannon Defiler (150) -3 DCCW -reaper autocannon -battlecannon 1749 thats 5 walkers, 2 rhinos and a land raider with 25 infantry over 3 squads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiro_Protagonist Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 But without the Plasma Pistols your only ranged vehicle popping is coming from 2 Defilers and your Land Raider. I know Berzerkers can shred a vehicle in combat but that's going to leave them bunched up, sitting in the open for the counter-attack. I'd drop the 3rd Dreadnought for the 2 pistols per squad and a combi-melta on each transport. This way you've got a better chance of popping vehicles, plus it should allow your defilers to spend more time either scuttling forward or dropping pieplates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 due to the fact i need to buy the dreads, it will be a case of running the plasma pistols for a while anyway.. i happen to think along similar lines than the plasma is needed for low AV killing, helping against MCs and knocking some wonds off paladins and the like before cc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Don't forget that a rhino can take a combi melta, sure its only one shot but its cheaper, safer and more damaging then a plamsa pistol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted July 26, 2011 Author Share Posted July 26, 2011 Don't forget that a rhino can take a combi melta, sure its only one shot but its cheaper, safer and more damaging then a plamsa pistol. plus really cool :D im working on how to make this 1750 list fit tournament restrictions for next may, i have to first build it as 1250 and then add on 500.. ive got a set of lists worked out, the combi-melta idea will help fill some point holes.. thanks fellas oh ill post the list tomorrow evening when i get into work (my work comp has more gaming info stored than my home one) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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