Grim Dog Studios Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 I wasnt entirely sure where to post this, if this is in the wrong place forgive me. Anyway, Ive wanted to write a bit of fluff for a while now, but i just needed to know something before i did. Has it been known for space marines to join an inquisitors retinue? Not a whole squad, just a single space marine. I know this is an odd question, but the fluff i wanted to write about kind of revolved around it. Any help would be appreciated :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234453-inquisitorial-space-marines/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Thats what the Death Watch are. And outside of Death Watch, i'm sure if the Inquisitor wanted it, it could happen. Just remember, each one has their own militant orders. The Ordo Malleus has Grey Knights (but when they aren't avaliable, I guess he could ask another for aid against a more minor threat), the Ordo Xenos has Death Watch (made up from other chapters sending a single marine or more), and Ordos Hereticus that often uses the Sisters of Battle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234453-inquisitorial-space-marines/#findComment-2822461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Yes, it is possible. An example being Justicar Alaric of the Grey Knights being seconded to Inquisitor Nyxos. Can't think of any others though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234453-inquisitorial-space-marines/#findComment-2822488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Yes, it is possible. An example being Justicar Alaric of the Grey Knights being seconded to Inquisitor Nyxos. Can't think of any others though. But Grey Knights actually belong to the Inquisition, so they aren't technically "sent" to them. The Death Watch is closer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234453-inquisitorial-space-marines/#findComment-2822533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Yes, it is possible. An example being Justicar Alaric of the Grey Knights being seconded to Inquisitor Nyxos. Can't think of any others though. But Grey Knights actually belong to the Inquisition, so they aren't technically "sent" to them. The Death Watch is closer. Actually, the Grey Knights aren't owned by the INQ they are a Chapter in their own right. They are a Chamber Militant so are used in exactly the same way as the Death Watch. There was a quote in Grey Knight by Ben Counter but I can't find it. EDIT Found it - Some of the Ordo Malleus think the Grey Knights were created to serve them, but we are a sovereign and independent Chapter, as much as the Space Wolves or Dark Angels or anyone else. Besides the OP is asking about a single marine being seconded to an Inquisitor's retinue and at the end of the third GK book Nyxos makes a comment about keeping Alaric with him and not returning him to his Chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234453-inquisitorial-space-marines/#findComment-2822581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 I'd say it's entirely plausable - provided the Chapter Master agrees. I think an Inquisitor could technically overrule him but not many would dare to unless the threat was exceptional. The whole deal is a matter of courtesy and cooperation. Certain chapters are known to be more readily available for Inquisitorial duties (the Red Hunters iirc) than others. So, it'd depend on the relationship between the two organisations (or just the individuals involved, even). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234453-inquisitorial-space-marines/#findComment-2822593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Absolutely. I think the =][= Rules had a SM in the retinue. Also, The recent Book "Atlas Infernal", has a Relictor Techmarine as part of the Retinue. An Inquisitor can obtain any type of entity into his party. Especially Radicals. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234453-inquisitorial-space-marines/#findComment-2822596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firenze Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Id say they could. It could be a favour for the Inquisitor for saving the marine's life. The marine joins him for a while out of repayment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234453-inquisitorial-space-marines/#findComment-2822616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Absolutely. I think the =][= Rules had a SM in the retinue. Indeed, Battle Brother Artemis was the example space marine character. But they were real game-breakers, however. The writers even came out and explicitly said so, what with a marine's stats so high in =][=. :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234453-inquisitorial-space-marines/#findComment-2822619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Yes, it is possible. An example being Justicar Alaric of the Grey Knights being seconded to Inquisitor Nyxos. Can't think of any others though. But Grey Knights actually belong to the Inquisition, so they aren't technically "sent" to them. The Death Watch is closer. Actually, the Grey Knights aren't owned by the INQ they are a Chapter in their own right. They are a Chamber Militant so are used in exactly the same way as the Death Watch. There was a quote in Grey Knight by Ben Counter but I can't find it. EDIT Found it - Some of the Ordo Malleus think the Grey Knights were created to serve them, but we are a sovereign and independent Chapter, as much as the Space Wolves or Dark Angels or anyone else. Besides the OP is asking about a single marine being seconded to an Inquisitor's retinue and at the end of the third GK book Nyxos makes a comment about keeping Alaric with him and not returning him to his Chapter. Quote straight from the codex (which trumps BL iirc). Where the other space marine chapters would be autonomous, the Grey Knights were fully embedded in the Inquisition... But yeah, regular SM can be seconded too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234453-inquisitorial-space-marines/#findComment-2822628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Quote straight from the codex (which trumps BL iirc). Where the other space marine chapters would be autonomous, the Grey Knights were fully embedded in the Inquisition... But yeah, regular SM can be seconded too. I haven't had chance to look at the new dex in detail, but still touché good sir! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234453-inquisitorial-space-marines/#findComment-2822630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 You are right too, though, they are the Chamber Militan of the Inquisition, and have their own chapter commanders. So I guess we were both right :tu:. They belong to the Inquisition, but do not belong to the Inquisitors would be along both our lines right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234453-inquisitorial-space-marines/#findComment-2822635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaren Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 There are a myriad of ways for an Inquisitor to gain a Space Marine as part of his retinue. The Space Marine is the sole survivor from his forces in a campaign in which the Inquisitor aided his chapter, making him indebted to the Inquisitor. The Space Marine is the last survivor of his now dead Chapter, leaving him with no other place to go. The Space Marine is sent to aid the Inquisitor along with some of his brothers, and when the mission ends, the Inquisitor is so impressed that he requests the Chapter Master let him keep the Marine. Multiple variations on the sole survivor/last member of a campaign, squad, chapter, battleforce, etc etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234453-inquisitorial-space-marines/#findComment-2822720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Dog Studios Posted July 19, 2011 Author Share Posted July 19, 2011 Ah, thats good then. Thanks for the help everyone :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234453-inquisitorial-space-marines/#findComment-2822788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codicier Lucion Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Quote straight from the codex (which trumps BL iirc). Where the other space marine chapters would be autonomous, the Grey Knights were fully embedded in the Inquisition... But yeah, regular SM can be seconded too. Alright, but was there actually anything about that in the proper Grey Knights codex, Daemonhunters? The only way you can accept anything in a Ward written codex is with a pinch of several metric tonnes of salt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234453-inquisitorial-space-marines/#findComment-2822860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 The only way you can accept anything in a Ward written codex is with a pinch of several metric tonnes of salt. And yet anything Mr. Ward includes in a codex, no matter how poorly written some of us fanboys might think it is, is worth way more than anything posted on an Internet discussion forum. It has the quality of being canon fact as opposed to all of our geekish opinions. Let's dispense with the unnecessary cheap shots and stick to the discussion, which is about whether or not a Space Marine might be seconded to an Inquisitor's retinue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234453-inquisitorial-space-marines/#findComment-2822865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leofric Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Well the authority of an inquisitor clearly allows him/her to subborn space marines to his command, whether that actually extends to being long term members of the Inquisitors retinue is a different matter. It sort of depends on the inquisitors role too, if he is part of the forces of an ongoing crusade with (regular to semi-regular) enemy contact - Ordo Xenos research/Ordo Maleus demon smiting etc- then it is far more likely that he may have 'acquired' an Astartes trooper or two, but is just as likely that he would just grab a full squad for one off objectives that require that sort of power. If he's actually in a command postion of the conflict then a space marine could be part of his group for liason purposes. But even with those caveats it would usually be - conflict over = Space Marines and all associated personnel head of to next warzone not leaving anyone behind. On the other had, if said inquisitor is doing the more sneaky-sneaky type of investigation, then the average Space marine isn't going to be much use except perhaps for the final 'bring the bad guys* in dead or alive' assault (see average INQ game). So what does the inquistor do with the big lunk between those times? Not to mention his prescence sorta precludes the inquisitor having any zany daemon or alien stuff around, most space marines are indoctrinated to destroy that sort of stuff no questions-even-considered-needing-to-be asked. Leaving him praying in the chapel for six months while you pull evidence together may not be considered the best use of one of the Emperors finest... Also, if still around, the Marine's chapter may start wondering where their absent battle brother is after a few years and what important business is keeping him from returning with all speed to his welcoming brethren. Essentially, Space Marines are Shock troopers/weapons, used when needed for specific purposes, if you don't have any of those specific purposes then theres probably someone else in the Imperium who does, and would be getting better use out of your Space Marine (and the Space Marine would probably agree). Even Deathwatch tend to fall into this category. Even the last survivor scenario has to take account for the fact that the marine probably wants to do something gloriously suicidially heroic and damaging at the earliest opportunity to whatever is responible for him being the last surviour, and will probably get annoyed if the inquisitor insists on 'just one more week...' for too long Remember, sensible inquisitors don't push Marines too far, unless they have substancially more forces than an average retinue behind them *bad guys is a relative term in the Imperium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234453-inquisitorial-space-marines/#findComment-2823118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 would be getting better use out of your Space Marine I could see some INQ. stating this but I think of most INQ. as greedy sons of guns and once they have a SM in their retinue they will keep the unless the SM decides it is best to leave. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234453-inquisitorial-space-marines/#findComment-2823126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trukk26 Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Could also have a single marine serving trying to bring back honor to his chapter by servitude to the Inquisition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234453-inquisitorial-space-marines/#findComment-2823169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Quote straight from the codex (which trumps BL iirc). Where the other space marine chapters would be autonomous, the Grey Knights were fully embedded in the Inquisition... But yeah, regular SM can be seconded too. Alright, but was there actually anything about that in the proper Grey Knights codex, Daemonhunters? The only way you can accept anything in a Ward written codex is with a pinch of several metric tonnes of salt. Daemonhunters says the same thing, still meaning that Grey Knights are not amongst those "seconded" to the Inquisitors. An Inquisitor just says, "Major Daemon problem, send in the GK!" As opposed to the, "I need help taking down this cult, could you send me one of your battle brothers?" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234453-inquisitorial-space-marines/#findComment-2823529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 In the Inquisition War trilogy, there is an Imperial Fists Space Marine Captain that ends up in an Inquisitor's Retinue... food for thought <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234453-inquisitorial-space-marines/#findComment-2824232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 In the Inquisition War trilogy, there is an Imperial Fists Space Marine Captain that ends up in an Inquisitor's Retinue... food for thought :) Although it should be noted that the Imperial Fist in question, Lexandro D'Arquebus, has basically deserted his Chapter in order to accompany Inquisitor Jaq Draco. There was no formal request for Captain D'Arquebus (or any other Imperial Fists battle-brother) on the part of the Inquisitor through the Chapter, nor did the Chapter assign D'Arquebus the task of accompanying Draco - D'Arquebus decided on his own to abandon his battle-brothers, remove his servitude studs, and accompany the Inquisitor. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234453-inquisitorial-space-marines/#findComment-2824265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Although it should be noted that the Imperial Fist in question, Lexandro D'Arquebus, has basically deserted his Chapter in order to accompany Inquisitor Jaq Draco. There was no formal request for Captain D'Arquebus (or any other Imperial Fists battle-brother) on the part of the Inquisitor through the Chapter, nor did the Chapter assign D'Arquebus the task of accompanying Draco - D'Arquebus decided on his own to abandon his battle-brothers, remove his servitude studs, and accompany the Inquisitor. :D Well I'm not sure it was so much abandoning his battle-brothers as that the Inquisition maneuvered to have his company of Imperial Fists perform an action against the Eldar of which Lexandro was the sole-survivor, and he then accompanied a different Inquisitor for a time (pursuing some of those responsible for his Companies demise) before returning to his Chapter (I think.. it's implied that's where he's going post story). Makes for an interesting bit of politics B) "Yeah, sorry about that Company I got wiped out, my bad guys. It's all the Inquisition's fault though... I'm still competant, really!" EDIT: the servitude stud removal really is fairly telling and significant though in this particular example. So it's entirely possible IMO for a Space Marine to be in a Retinue, it just depends on how you want to go about fleshing and fluffing it out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234453-inquisitorial-space-marines/#findComment-2824347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Its been a while since I read Inquisition War, but didnt he remove the studs so as to be able to be a little more 'nondescript' rather than as an act of rebellion/desertion from his chapter... Seem to remember something along the lines of with the studs in people would ask awquard questions, but with them removed, the holes just looked like he'd been hit with some nasty weapon of some kind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234453-inquisitorial-space-marines/#findComment-2824570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baragash Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Yes, it is possible. An example being Justicar Alaric of the Grey Knights being seconded to Inquisitor Nyxos. Can't think of any others though. But Grey Knights actually belong to the Inquisition, so they aren't technically "sent" to them. The Death Watch is closer. There are other Chapters that work particularly closely with the Inquisition such as the Red Hunters (also I think Exorcists, Red Scorpions and Scythes of the Emperor do - in the case of RH and Ex I think they might even incorporate the =I= somewhere in their iconography, but I might misremember that bit). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234453-inquisitorial-space-marines/#findComment-2825214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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