GreatEscape_13 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 So the Badab War (vol 10) covering my dearly loved Star Phantoms has some suitably mysterious text hinting that the Star Phantoms are a Dark Angels bloodline chapter. I'm wondering what people think about this. Particularly if I should start building the army toward Dark Angels compatability (right now I've got some nice C:SM stuff like Ironclads rolling), or if sticking with C:SM seems logical. My worry/hope (convince me which?) is that a future Dark Angels codex will suddenly have the Star Phantoms appearing alongside the gang (see the newest BA iteration for this phenomenon and the lamenters). So what do peopole think? DA successor? Fit the fluff? Worth patterning the army for either? Especially when it comes to doing up a fast attack wing to the force (currently run with none, because Star Phantoms are static firepower and drop pods all the way)--I'm wondering if would look cool to start working in some DA iconography/ravenwing stylings. I'm also doing the chapter banner, and I really like the idea of a color palatte swap of the Dark Angels 3rd company banner for the logo to really reinforce the links. Anyhow, I'd love people's prognostication about future fluff and army books! Cheers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234641-star-phantoms-and-da/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Belial Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Forge World fluff does not seem to make it into the official canon very often. The models may cross over into plastic as we have seen but not the background behind them. In that regards, I would say you are safe staying within the Space Marine Codex and not being DA compliant. That can be a personal choice to add some models and using that line to try playing them as DA. It sounds like your post has you preferring to stay away from the Unforgiven instead of embracing the idea. The banners themselves are actually fairly close to the Codex Chapters banners just with a limited palette instead of the wide array of colors that Codex Chapters use to signify each company. If you want to borrow the DA idea then feel free to borrow that. You could even make that your "hint" of a DA bloodline if nothing else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234641-star-phantoms-and-da/#findComment-2824763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I think Star Phantoms can benefit from both worlds... There is nothing compelling to assume they are DA Successors and their morbid cult does not have any overt reference to the Unforgiven agenda. IF (and that's a big one - not clear from your post) you like the whole Unforgiven imagery/fluff I'd suggest to adopt some "harmless" visual connections like the odd robed figure or the squad markings that are mentioned to be similar (and one of the main reasons that the DA connection is made) but stick to the SM codex since you already have stuff that are incompatble. Since you mention the new Codex (whenever it'll become available) we do not know how much stuff from other marine codices will actually migrate into it. So what appears incompatible now may not be the case after the new codex - even if Star Phantoms are not mentioned. In your BA analogy I'd compare them to Blood Knights rather than Lamenters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234641-star-phantoms-and-da/#findComment-2824936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Styphus Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Lamenters have always been a Blood Angel chapter, FW had nothing to do with that. Could you quote the line in question about the Phantoms being DA? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234641-star-phantoms-and-da/#findComment-2825389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 In p.132 Imperial armour Vol. 10 (The Badab War - Part Two) in the middle column where it says about the origins of the Star Phantoms it says: "Some sources have since hinted that they utilised the Dark Angels gene-seed, although this has been vociferously denied by the Dark Angels themselves, and the Star Phantoms consider such queries, even via official channels, as inherently presumptuous and cause for offence" There are some other comments in there regarding their insignia but the basic hint is a denial. Which in turn could mean anything. As it stands now no other Chapter is hinted or mentioned to be related with the Star Phantoms. So it's up to the gamer to assume the denials are honest or they cover something (with DAs both theories are viable). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234641-star-phantoms-and-da/#findComment-2825433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatEscape_13 Posted July 21, 2011 Author Share Posted July 21, 2011 Hehe, exactly. A denial is the expected answer in two cases: if they are not Dark Angels, and if they ARE Dark Angels. In both cases, it can be plausible. I've got most of a battle company, so it's pretty ubiquitous by codex frankly since I run heavy on Tac Squads and Devastators. I've gone with an insignia style similar to the Dark Angels 3rd company (and my Star Phantoms are 3rd), frankly with the same logic as someone said before--to play up the similarities. Thanks for the input. Ever since I read Badab War Vol. 10 I fell in love w/ the Star Phantoms scheme and story ("we took the capital from Huron, and all we got is this crappy ice planet homeworld and a sector in turmoil?"). I've been slowly building it via the basic codex, but I figured it was time for an inquiry on the DA boards. And in answer to the other inquiry, ambiguous is the right word. I'm not certain whether the unforgiven imagery is my thing. I the hooded "reaper" will look okay, and all skull motifs are pretty good too. I'll just play with some variation as I expand into some fast attack and see. Thanks again for the input guys and gals! Cheers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234641-star-phantoms-and-da/#findComment-2825705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 DA closet succesors!?!?!?!?Me likes the idea.We will infiltrate the whole imperium in secret.All chapters will be ours,we will depose the ultramarines!!!!! :Goes into a lunatic frenzy jumping up left and right till he bumps into a wall: Ahem,did i mentioned how i like the idea,even if it might not be true? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234641-star-phantoms-and-da/#findComment-2826271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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