Master-Inquisitor Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 I have recently run up against several space wolves armies and I haven't faired as well as I would have liked. With a bunch of characters and most troops mounted in rhinos I had issues getting my guys into combat where they were needed. My main question is what have you guys used to counter the wolves ability to meet us in combat and hold their own. I was thinking of trying a HQ Librarian with Rage and Shield and put him in a unit of SG w/ Banner and a priest. Which would hopefully deal with the characters and kill a bunch of wolves before they can attack. I have also thought about a unit of HG with shields go give the librarian extra protection, but this would sacrifice the hitting power of the unit. Then I want to have a unit of DC with a chappy (not sure I'll have the points for the Reclusiarch) and maybe mount them in a LR or something. What are your thoughts/experiences with this type of opponent? Thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234715-chappy-vs-libby/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulllyssies0110 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 I have recently run up against several space wolves armies and I haven't faired as well as I would have liked. With a bunch of characters and most troops mounted in rhinos I had issues getting my guys into combat where they were needed. My main question is what have you guys used to counter the wolves ability to meet us in combat and hold their own. I was thinking of trying a HQ Librarian with Rage and Shield and put him in a unit of SG w/ Banner and a priest. Which would hopefully deal with the characters and kill a bunch of wolves before they can attack. I have also thought about a unit of HG with shields go give the librarian extra protection, but this would sacrifice the hitting power of the unit. Then I want to have a unit of DC with a chappy (not sure I'll have the points for the Reclusiarch) and maybe mount them in a LR or something. What are your thoughts/experiences with this type of opponent? Thanks! 11DC w/ chaplain in a 2 SR w/ Plasma cannon typhoon launchers and hurricane bolters and a 2 DC Dread w/ blood talons. Move the SR forward launch 2 frag rockets, Twin linked plasma cannons, And hurricane bolters. fallowing turn charge you're DC dread's and DC into combat. Send those puppy's back to the Fang w/ there tail's between there legs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234715-chappy-vs-libby/#findComment-2825926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanguardwolf Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 i play SW and i woud advice not to take a libby. runic armour(5++ save against psy attacs) wolftail talis man.(5+ save against psy attacs on unit or model) runic staff (24" 4+ or3+ psykick power nullifing) can be stacked becouse all saves are done on a other moment in the game. a chapiln with his reroll to wound, combined with FC you will do a lot of more damage. greet's Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234715-chappy-vs-libby/#findComment-2826039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redo Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 i play SW and i woud advice not to take a libby.runic armour(5++ save against psy attacs) wolftail talis man.(5+ save against psy attacs on unit or model) runic staff (24" 4+ or3+ psykick power nullifing) can be stacked becouse all saves are done on a other moment in the game. a chapiln with his reroll to wound, combined with FC you will do a lot of more damage. greet's I agree with much of what you say. The Runic staff puts the Libby at a real disadvantage. One the other hand if a BA LIbby takes shield and Unleash Rage, Wolftail talismans and Runic Armour cannot affect these powers do not affect (directly affect) the Space Wolves or cause wounds to them. They enhance or buff the BA marines who can then dish out more pain. SImilarly the Grey Knight Power Hammer Hand buffs the Grey Knights who then in turn can more effectively attack. Still you are 100% right about that Runic Weapon. 4+ ALL Psychic powers. To the original poster, I would not run a Libby with Sang. Guard. The SG all have Master Crafted Weapons and this would be wasted with Unleash Rage. Better to put the Libby with Honour Guard. Still in this case I would still just take a Reclusiarch or a named Character as they have the only chance of going head to head with SW characters. Furthermore Chaplins/ Astorath have powers that always go off IF you get the charge and here is the point. YOU need to get the charge with Furious Charge to kill the wolves and their characters. Bait nasty units like Thunderwovles and Wolf Guard. Then follow up these units with your killer units HG, DC or Sang Guard. Personally I use Tactical/ Assault Squads in Rhinos/Razorbacks with the 'Eilte' units following. Still all in all SW are some of the toughest opponents and sometimes a little luck in not on your side ; ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234715-chappy-vs-libby/#findComment-2826062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadieau Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 SW can take a pretty cheap "Rune" that negates a psychic power on a 4+. So half the time your Blood Rage will not go off. The Chappy gets his ability to do the same thing all the time. He also has an invul. Aginst wolves you need to strike first and hard. The Sanguinary Priest gives you both. Or, you could just shoot them all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234715-chappy-vs-libby/#findComment-2826070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 To the original poster, I would not run a Libby with Sang. Guard. The SG all have Master Crafted Weapons and this would be wasted with Unleash Rage. SG are only ws 4 and mastercrafted is only one attack per round, the step up to UR is pretty significant. With relatively few attacks, no rerolls to wound and no built in FC it can make quite a difference, even more so if you take a PF in the unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234715-chappy-vs-libby/#findComment-2826074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redo Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 To the original poster, I would not run a Libby with Sang. Guard. The SG all have Master Crafted Weapons and this would be wasted with Unleash Rage. SG are only ws 4 and mastercrafted is only one attack per round, the step up to UR is pretty significant. With relatively few attacks, no rerolls to wound and no built in FC it can make quite a difference, even more so if you take a PF in the unit. Fair comment but you have missed the point. It would be best to not take Sang. Guard in favour of Honour Guard to get that Sang. Priest (Furious Charge) in order to get that crucial advantage in CC. And surely a well equipped HG is likely to benefit more from Unleash Rage than SG. You know what, it is generally acknowledged that UR is best used with another unit. Not SG Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234715-chappy-vs-libby/#findComment-2826083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 To the original poster, I would not run a Libby with Sang. Guard. The SG all have Master Crafted Weapons and this would be wasted with Unleash Rage. SG are only ws 4 and mastercrafted is only one attack per round, the step up to UR is pretty significant. With relatively few attacks, no rerolls to wound and no built in FC it can make quite a difference, even more so if you take a PF in the unit. Fair comment but you have missed the point. It would be best to not take Sang. Guard in favour of Honour Guard to get that Sang. Priest (Furious Charge) in order to get that crucial advantage in CC. And surely a well equipped HG is likely to benefit more from Unleash Rage than SG. You know what, it is generally acknowledged that UR is best used with another unit. Not SG That's more of a SG vs HG or other units discussion. I'm just saying that UR isn't a waste on SG (although I think S Sword would be a more useful power) That said I think we're both starting to split hairs and derail the discussion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234715-chappy-vs-libby/#findComment-2826088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Inquisitor Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 It seems to me that the consensus would be that psykers aren't worth using against SW (something i didn't know). I think that it's worth having a Reclusiarch then and attaching him to an elite unit like a tooled out HG, SG or perhaps vanguard vets. I am thinking it's worth considering Astorath for this role and give him the SG or VV to run around with. I am thinking this all would be in addition to an chaplain with the DC. Perhaps a death-star type unit in a LR or as ulllyssies suggested a SR with a dread for support. This would mean I'd use Baals, LS Typhoon and SR to pop the rhinos. The SW get slowed up and the SG/VV and RAS can move around and always get the charge to support the DC. Thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234715-chappy-vs-libby/#findComment-2826567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redo Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Astorath, IMHO is the best HQ in the book. As the games have more points and you have more marines he get better and better. I generally/ always take him in games in 1750 and above. I think he works well in and HG unit or a DC unit. For me Vanguard unit always operate alone, they can be great against Long Fangs and if Astorath is in the army the chance that they have FC is increased. A boon against SW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234715-chappy-vs-libby/#findComment-2826618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Astorath, IMHO is the best HQ in the book. As the games have more points and you have more marines he get better and better. I generally/ always take him in games in 1750 and above. I think he works well in and HG unit or a DC unit. For me Vanguard unit always operate alone, they can be great against Long Fangs and if Astorath is in the army the chance that they have FC is increased. A boon against SW. Agreed. Not having to hit that priest bubble for FC is a great boost since VV often go where the rest of your army doesn't. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/234715-chappy-vs-libby/#findComment-2826756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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