Chapter Master Furious Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 hello battle brethren so i will make this short and sweet, can a a Ordo malleus inquisitor have Artificer armour? i know in the grey knight codex they can not, but the get terminator armour :huh: ? does not make since to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235306-inquisitor-with-artificer-armour/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuri Teadlane Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Well like you say in the Grey Knights Codex they do not so it's a no they cannot. It would be nice if they did get Artificer armour but I would take an inv save first. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235306-inquisitor-with-artificer-armour/#findComment-2834119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Ruleswise, it's not an option in the GK codex. I can't speak for the Witch Hunters codex. Fluffwise, I'm not sure. On the one hand, artificer armor is ancient, exquisitely crafted Space Marine power armor and each suit is a prized relic of their respective chapter. Not something they'd let go of given a choice, and something they would go to extreme lengths to recover if known to be lost. On the other hand, Inquisitors have incredible resources and can basically get anything they want. I'd be interested to hear some more fluff-knowledgeable takes on it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235306-inquisitor-with-artificer-armour/#findComment-2834126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RolandTHTG Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 well, coteaz has it, so yes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235306-inquisitor-with-artificer-armour/#findComment-2834195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Furious Posted July 31, 2011 Author Share Posted July 31, 2011 well for now i was thinking for my inquisitor i would make some house rules for him (nothing big just the armour part and the fluff). but i would have to agree with thade on the issue on getting your hands on such awsome armour that hails from a space marine armouries. but couldn't and well respected inquisitor have his own suit of artifcer armour crafted for him? and plus coteaz has his own suit so why not? if you give your inquisitor terminator armour you get the same saves (minus the 5+ invulnerable save). anyways thanks for the feed back guys keep it up! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235306-inquisitor-with-artificer-armour/#findComment-2834201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 For the record, artificer armor doesn't exist in Codex:WH. Stealing a suit of Space Marine artificer armor wouldn't happen; for starters, I don't think an ordinary Inquisitor could actually wear Space Marine armor anyway, what with being too small to fit in it and lacking the Black Carapace, not to mention the possibility of being the wrong gender for it. There's no reason to assume that artificer armor has to be made exclusively for Space Marines though. Fluff-wise, artificer armor is nothing more than really pimped-out power armor, and it certainly seems plausible that an Inquisitor with enough contacts/resources could get access to a really nice and customized set of power armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235306-inquisitor-with-artificer-armour/#findComment-2834228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 It so irritates me when people throw Black Carapace into any statement about PA and why others can't wear it. Please re-read what the Black Carapace actually is? Its a sheath of bio-plastic that allows neural interface sockets to be anchored, and that's it. Anyone can have neural interfact sockets, as most high ranking Imperials do. And to put a finer point on it, Sisters of Battle wear PA without interface sockets, because its the bodyglove all PA users wear that provides the feedback the armor needs (the sockets just add an additional layer of control for the user). If an Inquisitor wants armor crafted to such a high level of perfection that is customer build just for them, then yes, Artificer Armor would be both the correct term and correct rules to follow. Why its not available to generic Inquisitors makes no real sense, but that's the way it was written. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235306-inquisitor-with-artificer-armour/#findComment-2834660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 It so irritates me when people throw Black Carapace into any statement about PA and why others can't wear it. Please re-read what the Black Carapace actually is? Its a sheath of bio-plastic that allows neural interface sockets to be anchored, and that's it. Anyone can have neural interfact sockets, as most high ranking Imperials do. Obviously the Black Carapace isn't required for any power armor, but then despite what you imply I never said anything like that. However, the Black Carapace is quite possibly a requirement for armor that is specifically designed to be used by Space Marines, although I suppose a good enough tech-priest could probably jury-rig something workable. Even then, there's still the whole size issue; normal-sized people won't fit into armor designed for Space Marines. Which is why an Inquisitor wouldn't steal any artificer armor they had from Space Marines; it would be custom-made for the Inquisitor themselves, and obvious scaled and designed for normal human anatomy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235306-inquisitor-with-artificer-armour/#findComment-2834727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Power armour, artificer armour and even Terminator armour are all able to be manufactured for either humans or Astartes. Its just that the latter has the historical ties to the technology (ie those types of armour were purpose-built to be worn by the Legions of old, the Terminator project was an attempt to improve the effectiveness of the Legion assault companies) That said, the Black Carapace is a unique piece of bio-technology, and it carries both practical and symbolic significance. For actual Space Marines, it is the last implant they recieve before becoming a full Battle Brother. On a more practical level, the Black Carapace gives the Astarte the ability to move, fight and interact with his armour using his full reactions. This is why, even in the truly immense Tactical Dreadnought Armour, a Space Marine veteran still has the lightning fast reactions of when he is in power armour (although he can't run as fast obviously, which is represented in the rules by their inability to run a beaten opponent down). Nothing says similiar technology could be used on a normal human (Ad Mech can make a variety of machine-flesh interfaces), but the actual Black Carapace is derived solely from gene-seed, and thus remains unique to Astartes Chapters. For humans equipped with power armour, artificer or TDA, there would have to be some interface between the wearer and the armour. However, it wouldn't give anywhere near the interaction of Black Carapace. Human-sized power armour is also considered easier to produce, lighter and less cumbersome. Thats why Sisters don't sport enhanced strength, reactions or resiliance. If anything breaches the ceramite shell, it's still a squishy, unaugmented human underneath. You also have to consider the spiritual significance of power armour, artificer armour and TDA to Astartes. Even the most basic suit worn by a new Devastator is a Chapter relic that would've seen many centuries of prior use, rebuilt time and time again to serve anew. Artificer armour is often rare examples of earlier Marks (like Iron, Crusade etc) that have been updated with the newer features of later Marks. They are almost exclusively reserved for officers, or interred in the Chapter's armoury as relics. Their significance doesn't lie in their individual power, but in their history. Whilst the wearers are long-dead, the armour itself is an example of the heroism and valour that forged the Imperium so long ago. TDA is even more coveted and rare, because it's manufacture is almost impossible at the close of the 41st millenia, due to the loss of both knowledge and expertise in it's construction. The existing suits are pretty much the only ones that will remain, and those have all been split between the Chapters according to Legion affliation. It is possible, although very unusual, that human-sized TDA could be manufactured, but again, it would only really offer protection. Lacking a Black Carapace, an unaugmented human wouldn't get any significant strength, speed or resiliance out of the suit. Assuming you can breach the multiple layers of ceramite and adamantium, it's still just a human underneath. In all honesty, if you want an artificer-equipped Inquisitor, take Coteaz. Rules-wise, he's superior to most of the other Inquisitor builds anyway, and Henchmen are the ones who do the real fighting anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235306-inquisitor-with-artificer-armour/#findComment-2834768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Furious Posted August 1, 2011 Author Share Posted August 1, 2011 that does make alot of sence. but my new quetion is... what does a human (inquisitor just for the sake of this topic) look like in TDA? any pics of what that might look like? or is Hector Rex a prime exsample of one? on another note: i was hope to sure my Fluff on my home made inquisitor. inquisitor justinian. the fluff will follow in my next post. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235306-inquisitor-with-artificer-armour/#findComment-2835465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Furious Posted August 2, 2011 Author Share Posted August 2, 2011 well ladies and gents i hope you enjoy the fluff, a little long but i think its worth it! ;) Inquisitor Justinian Thaddeus Justinian is one of the inquisitions finest inquisitors, and one of the only Astartes that has joined the ranks of the inquisition. He is known for his fearlessness, and his relentless desire to vanquish the enemies of man. But for a man of such high achievement and respect in the inquisition, his ascension into the inquisition was not one to be proud of. Justinian had hailed from the black templar’s chapter. He had served his chapter proudly as a emperors champion for more then a century. It was only when on a crusade to liberate the daemon infested world of Sanctorum VII, were he had encountered a greater daemon. During the titanic duel, the daemon had triggered a physic presence in Justinian; the awaking of these powers only helped Justinian to slay the daemon. It was in the aftermath of the battle that would lead to Justinian demise as a Black Templar. In the wake of the battle the Templar’s realized that they had what they considered a witch in there ranks, Black templar’s had always hated anyone, friend and foe with the physic curse. It was decided that Justinian would be put to death for his new found abilities, but an inquisitor by the name of Gabriel leagano, would save the champions life. After the Sanctorum crusade, Justinian was taken under leagano’s wing, the inquisitor saw not only a excellent warrior, but a sharp and cunning mind, something that would of not be noticed if Justinian stayed in the Black Templar ranks. For close to thirty Justinian would become one of the galaxies most influential and bravest inquisitor ever know to man, while most inquisitors would hide in the midst of a battle, Justinian will always be seen at the fore front of any conflict to battle the enemies of man. But deep down inside, Justinian still feels a sense of failure towards his chapter, rejected for his gifts has a physicer. But ever since that day Justinian has launched “crusades” of his own across the imperium in order to redeem himself in the eyes of his chapter. But for now he fights like no other inquisitor in galaxy, always at the front line, shouting battle cries of his chapter and the inquisition never will he faultier until the day of his demise. Appearance Inquisitor Justinian is clad in an ancient suit of space marine artificer armour, gold in colour and extremely ancient, a gift to him when he joined the ranks as a full fledged inquisitor. He carries a nemesis daemon hammer called “hammer of thor” named after one of the ancient gods of old terra, the hammer was crafted for him out of rare metals and forgotten techniques. Retinue Inquisitor Justinian is accompanied into battle by five unknown space marine. There names are unknown, chapter of origin and reason for being a part of Justinian’s retinue is also unknown. The only thing known about them is that each space marine has had the same experience has Justinian, rejected by there chapter for some unknown deed and unknown propose, but these space marines are still loyal to the emperors cause and now serve Justinian as a second chance to redeem themselves for there fails as Justinian has for himself in the eyes of the emperor. Never once will the five space marines be seen out of there armour, or there faces shown, only one who knows the true identity of the five marines is Justinian him self. Clad in black armour, with no personal heraldry , just the inquisition “I” on the left shoulder, there armour is coverd in bleached bone robes, silent but deadly, the fight by Justinian side until there deaths. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235306-inquisitor-with-artificer-armour/#findComment-2835675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouncl Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Some quick critique: It seems strange that the techniques used to make his hammer have already been forgotten, if it was made for him. I'd suggest either revising it to say that the hammer was crafted using 'advanced' techniques, or that it was made for someone hundreds of years ago. I'm also still not sure about the artificer armor bit. that stuff is incredibly valuable to Space Marine chapters, and with the way the Black Templar treat psykers *and* the Inquisition, it seems strange that they'd let him keep it. Also, about the retinue. You might want to look into Black Shields.You can find information about them in the Deathwatch RPG book, and the Rites of Battle expansion. They're marines that show up at a Watch Fortress, with their armor painted black, and no clue as to their past history. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235306-inquisitor-with-artificer-armour/#findComment-2836377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myxx Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Fluff wise I think being an Inquisitor and an Astartes are mutually exclusive. And I am no expert in BTs, but I would think that a former EC who was effectively cursed by a demon into being a psyker, would probably "fall on his power sword" or something similar... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235306-inquisitor-with-artificer-armour/#findComment-2836434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Furious Posted August 2, 2011 Author Share Posted August 2, 2011 for Bouncl and Myxx : i really like your remarks, a little criticism is always good, for the hammer, i was trying tot say that it was crafted from a technique that is almost forgotten, AKA the hammer is really old. as for the Armour, it was crafted for him, but was given to him as a gift. and i do like the idea of the "black Shield" marines you were talking about. but i like my idea better :) as for the hole black templar/ EC thing. i know what u mean Myxx. and would most likely happen too. but i thought it would be cool to mix it up a little, and he was going to be put to death, a fate the he freely excepted, but the inquisitor who took him in saw something in the EC. i got that idea from the Grey knights Omnibus, towards the end anyways keep up the comments Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235306-inquisitor-with-artificer-armour/#findComment-2836471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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