Crusader of Dorn Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 There are many instances of loyalist chapters skirmishing and the like throughout 40k background, most recent i read was the Minotaurs near destruction of the Inceptors chapter. It got me wondering how far could things go? I had the idea of a relatively young chapter, the Steel Tigers operating beyond Imperial space (fleet based) coming into contact with another chapter the Dragonborn. after initially co-operating the two become divided and things escalate into skirmishes and as blood is spilled honour demands more and so open warfare ensues. The conflict eventually becomes a war of annihilation, The victors (Steel Tigers) wipe out the Dragonborn and claim the spoils - wargear, relics, ships, veichles etc. Would this be possible, would the victors be declared renegades? EDIT- This was ment for Liber Forum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235728-loyalist-vs-loyalist/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 The minotaurs are not considered renagade in fact the high lords seem to take a keen intrest in the deployment of the chapter. As for relics and ships again the minotaurs are a good example as the took a hersey era battle barge from the inceptors along wit most of the chapters relics. So no your chapter is good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235728-loyalist-vs-loyalist/#findComment-2839022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 However, I think that most conflicts between Chapters are more like duels. While they might go to war and fight each other, no one is set on completely destroying the other, unless the other was assumed to be heretics of course. It was a point of controversy that the Minotraurs almost wiped out the Inceptors and took their equipment and assets, and many other Chapters have declared vengeance on the Minotaurs for their conduct. The Inceptors and the Doom Warriors had come to blows during one campaign, and were fighting a "protracted conflict", though under "predetermined rules of engagement". The Minotaurs were ordered to sunder the two apart and end the strife, but they chose to attack in full force. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235728-loyalist-vs-loyalist/#findComment-2839040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannus Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 EDIT- This was ment for Liber Forum. As you wish............. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235728-loyalist-vs-loyalist/#findComment-2839080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 The Inquisition would surely look into it and, even if the Tigers didn't get wiped, they'd probably have to go through some sort of penitence, since they completely annihilated another Chapter. So you'll end up with an intact Chapter, yes, but one who's probably under close scrutiny by the Inquisition and who's hated by a good few other Chapters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235728-loyalist-vs-loyalist/#findComment-2839107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 I write off loyalist vs loyalist games as "training exercises". Frankly, there is no reason my chapter would engage an Imperium army under any other circumstances...short of the Inquisition telling them to "purge the heretic". They won't address it themselves as they have their own problems (Nids, Orks, Chaos Marines, the usual riff raff). That's how I do it. :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235728-loyalist-vs-loyalist/#findComment-2839113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader of Dorn Posted August 5, 2011 Author Share Posted August 5, 2011 This was more for thinking up a controversial/original background, I think it could happen in a plausible way under certain conditions. e.g that both chapters were isolationist and of bad temperament, that it occurred perhaps beyond the Imperiums borders thus away from other Imperial influences. obviously Imperial authorities would be slighly miffed at the loss of a space marine chapter, i dont think purging the victorious party would be of any benifit aslong as they were not tainted or some such. If an event like this happened in Imperial space, its likely someone would intervene though in wilderness space, no one can hear you scream. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235728-loyalist-vs-loyalist/#findComment-2839322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Sure, I buy that. Don't be surprised if the Inquisition wants to look into it though. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235728-loyalist-vs-loyalist/#findComment-2839327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinks Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Carcharodons vs Executioners - as far as we know no one has done anything about that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235728-loyalist-vs-loyalist/#findComment-2839392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Loken Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 If no one else was about then your chapter could easily say the others were "renegade", history is often written by the victors. That's if anyone ever found out about it any way. And as said in the wilderness of space no one can hear you scream. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235728-loyalist-vs-loyalist/#findComment-2839395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Carcharodons vs Executioners - as far as we know no one has done anything about that. "No one has done anything about it" is not the same as "no one knows anything about it." The Inquisition aren't easy to blindside. Though, it's not impossible to blindside them...and nothing says they wouldn't allow it. Possibly it'd make for a good story. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235728-loyalist-vs-loyalist/#findComment-2839397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinks Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 I think most chapters consider Inquisitorial intervention as them sticking their nose in where its not wanted. You'd have to be a very brave Inquisitor to do something like that, more than a fair few have gone missing while investigating chapters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235728-loyalist-vs-loyalist/#findComment-2839399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 COUGH "Black Templars" COUGH Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235728-loyalist-vs-loyalist/#findComment-2839406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 The Space Wolves were a little more forward with their disagreements, if memory serves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235728-loyalist-vs-loyalist/#findComment-2839408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Hello mister Inquisitor, would you like to meet our local fauna and flora? (Thunderwolf pack growls in the background) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235728-loyalist-vs-loyalist/#findComment-2839409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excubitor Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Nothing so polite, they just Nova Cannon the Inquisitor. Or, if they really don't like him, give him to Lukas. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235728-loyalist-vs-loyalist/#findComment-2839950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NecronGovernour Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Yes, I think the OP's idea is feasible, just hard to pull off. Space marines take their duty more incredibly serious, and that's defending the Imperium on behalf of the Emperor and their primarch. If they wage a war of destruction against their (kind of) brothers, it would be to that end, so there should be more to it than “Thou hast insulted my honour“. At least this would be true for any codex chapter, imho. I agree that it might work with a isolationist chapter, which has a profoundly altered view on how to protect the Imperium and from what. And yes, they should be wary of the inquisition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235728-loyalist-vs-loyalist/#findComment-2840219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Here's an idea - maybe you could have the chapters vary in their interpretation of honour. So much so that when one side will feel slighted by the other sides 'trivial' conduct they 'correct' or 'admonish' the perpetrator and start a conflict that escalates between them. What do you think, Crusader? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235728-loyalist-vs-loyalist/#findComment-2841009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vexicus Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 there is alway the tail of the wolf and the lion, which is recreated when the Space Wolves and Dark Angels fight side by side. Thants my 50 pence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235728-loyalist-vs-loyalist/#findComment-2841025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NecronGovernour Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 With the Wolf and the Lion being an example of ritualised duel as opposed to ax-crazy all out war, you mean? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235728-loyalist-vs-loyalist/#findComment-2841189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Dark Angels have no problem with it when there are Fallen around. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235728-loyalist-vs-loyalist/#findComment-2841287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maleficum Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 As the Salamanders suddenly became Darth Maul-like in their visage and I'm not so sure they're the altristic good-natured african american cops somewhat on the heavy side-like like I always imagined them before the book (that I just heard were coming, when last in the hobby), I am contemplating making a chapter that is often employed in fighting other chapters. Mostly because I'm annoyed of the meta, were marines battle marines - and ultras battle ultras, while the Imperium's enemies get hardly a notice (at least until all the spiffy new codexes* appeared). I really like your idea for chapter-history, Crusader of Dorn. It could be that the chapter wasn't totally anhilliated, but merged with another as well. Or maybe even spread around several different chapters...? ;) *) GW still insists it's codexes as opposed to codeci, right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235728-loyalist-vs-loyalist/#findComment-2842487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 *) GW still insists it's codexes as opposed to codeci, right? I always use codices... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235728-loyalist-vs-loyalist/#findComment-2842539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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